La Sierra University slammed on evolution teaching

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A leading critic of La Sierra University' s teaching on evolution accuses the Seventh Day Adventist university of "bordering on outright lies" in its campaign to convince people that its biology department abides by the Genesis story of creation.

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Amish

Mount Vernon, MO

#1 Nov 26, 2009
After researching the claims of evolution in science i've concluded the pagan belief and the jesuit's counter-reformation are one and the same, now often called marxism. This website shows a few of the numerous connections-
http://christkeep.com/articles/jesuits_evolut...

"It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible-reading people. The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom." -Horace Greeley

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot....
maimonides

Seattle, WA

#2 Dec 4, 2009
Theistic Evolution is a permissible belief within SDA Theology and continues to be more accepted as time passes.

Adventism fully supports a mutable Christ, therefore Christ's hypothetical mutation from one species into another whereas the terminus reveals a Nature that is polar opposite from the previous species allows for Theistic Evolution to be a permissible belief within the denomination.

Within time every SDA university will teach T.E. It's nothing to be afraid of and as demonstrated the DNA is contained within Adventist foundational theology.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#3 Dec 4, 2009
maimonides wrote:
Theistic Evolution is a permissible belief within SDA Theology and continues to be more accepted as time passes.
Adventism fully supports a mutable Christ, therefore Christ's hypothetical mutation from one species into another whereas the terminus reveals a Nature that is polar opposite from the previous species allows for Theistic Evolution to be a permissible belief within the denomination.
Within time every SDA university will teach T.E. It's nothing to be afraid of and as demonstrated the DNA is contained within Adventist foundational theology.
*LOL* Hahahahahaha

Now what planet did you say you came from ?
Jeffersonbc

Mildura, Australia

#4 Dec 4, 2009
Loma Linda used to be a missionary college, now it has professors like Gary Bradley saying people who believe God spoke things into existence a few thousand years ago are on the "lunatic fringe."

My question is can the mission of the church be advanced by such educators, and if not why are these people employed in our organisation destroying our vital beliefs?
Lay Worker

United States

#5 Dec 4, 2009
Jeffersonbc wrote:
Loma Linda used to be a missionary college, now it has professors like Gary Bradley saying people who believe God spoke things into existence a few thousand years ago are on the "lunatic fringe."
My question is can the mission of the church be advanced by such educators, and if not why are these people employed in our organisation destroying our vital beliefs?
The mission cannot be advanced defintely not -

its just another example of how the once pure church has played the harlot - what does God say about staying with a harlot?

Its not difficult to understand why the vital beliefs of the SDA church are being destroyed - and it all goes back to the compromises with the Evangelicals Barnhouse and Martin in the 1950's.

If you are prepared to be as honest as you have been here and the question you ask is being honest - then one must look again at what was compromised by the SDA ministerial leadership when they held the Evangelical Conferences way back in the 50's.
Lay Worker

United States

#6 Dec 4, 2009
PS - the changes were woven into the 27FB's and you all missed them. It is right that God should revel to the honest soul and show them the hypocrisy coming out of LSU - but remember - that could not have occured unless prior and more serius compromises had occured
Blind Faithiness

Candler, NC

#7 Dec 4, 2009
You know the real shame is how LW, jbc and others use euphemism, like "vital belief", to hide the truth and their real feelings.

Why not just say "We don't care what the facts are. We are going to cling to our beliefs/lies regardless of the truth."?

The fact remains, too, that now most people know evolution is scientific fact and (hip-hip-hooray!) the world is still turning. Its a jebus miracle. The sky has not fallen yet, chicken-littles!

Also, Amish, we're waiting for you to answer for your claims in the other evolution thread. God doesn't like liars and cheats, you know.
Blind Faithiness

Candler, NC

#8 Dec 4, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
PS - the changes were woven into the 27FB's and you all missed them. It is right that God should revel to the honest soul and show them the hypocrisy coming out of LSU - but remember - that could not have occured unless prior and more serius compromises had occured
Hey, LW, why not just prove creation? I mean, if you just prove creation to be fact, which should be easy going by your claims, then all will buy your story.

Seems simple. Just prove creation and stop whining about the rest, right?
Blind Faithiness

Candler, NC

#9 Dec 4, 2009
For any interested in the current understandings of our ancestors and evolution try this 3-part NOVA series "Becoming Human". FYI each episode is about an hour long so be prepared.

vid 1: http://video.pbs.org/video/1312522241

vid 2:http://video.pbs.org/video/1 319997127/

vid 3:http://video.pbs.org/video/1 327194805/
maimonides

Kirkland, WA

#10 Dec 4, 2009
CINDERS wrote:
<quoted text>
*LOL* Hahahahahaha
Now what planet did you say you came from ?
The planet "God" Himself Incarnated on via the Person of Jesus Christ. I'll break this down for you CINDERS.

A)
Seventh-day Adventist theology requires that individual SDA's accept that Christ was "mutable" AKA capable of mutation / evolution.

B)
Ellen White taught that Christ "could have" sinned and lost His Salvation, repeatedly. This hypothetical situation, if activated would have "God" waking up Jesus at the end of time and throwing Jesus into Hell. The theological term used to describe this Adventist Doctrine is called, "peccability", i.e. Christ was peccable.

C)
The necessary by-product of this heretical teaching is simply that "God is conditional" whereas His current amd continued existence is concerned.

In Trinitarianism Jesus "is" God and God ( in the Person of The Son ) became man without ceasing to be God. Jesus is ONE Divine Person that is fully God and fully man.

Ellen was explicit that God could have sinned and lost His Salvation, therefore, God is capable of mutation from a Holy God to a sinner and subsequently a dead sinner. In terms of science the aforementioned process is referred to as gradations wereas one species evolves or mutates into another species.

If God made man in His image and likeness and God has the ability to mutate from one species to another then it becomes a logical requirement that man ( which is God's creation )also has the ability to mutate from one species to another because he was made in the image and likeness of God therefore mutation is a permissible belief within SDA theology and the Denominations supported by the Adventist General Conference are both correct and inside the theological markers established by Fundamental belief.
Lay Worker

United States

#11 Dec 4, 2009
maimonides wrote:
<quoted text>
The planet "God" Himself Incarnated on via the Person of Jesus Christ. I'll break this down for you CINDERS.
A)
Seventh-day Adventist theology requires that individual SDA's accept that Christ was "mutable" AKA capable of mutation / evolution.
B)
Ellen White taught that Christ "could have" sinned and lost His Salvation, repeatedly. This hypothetical situation, if activated would have "God" waking up Jesus at the end of time and throwing Jesus into Hell. The theological term used to describe this Adventist Doctrine is called, "peccability", i.e. Christ was peccable.
C)
The necessary by-product of this heretical teaching is simply that "God is conditional" whereas His current amd continued existence is concerned.

In Trinitarianism Jesus "is" God and God ( in the Person of The Son ) became man without ceasing to be God. Jesus is ONE Divine Person that is fully God and fully man.

Ellen was explicit that God could have sinned and lost His Salvation, therefore, God is capable of mutation from a Holy God to a sinner and subsequently a dead sinner. In terms of science the aforementioned process is referred to as gradations wereas one species evolves or mutates into another species.

If God made man in His image and likeness and God has the ability to mutate from one species to another then it becomes a logical requirement that man ( which is God's creation )also has the ability to mutate from one species to another because he was made in the image and likeness of God therefore mutation is a permissible belief within SDA theology and the Denominations supported by the Adventist General Conference are both correct and inside the theological markers established by Fundamental belief.
A) How bout coughing up your evidence ?
B) What is the Gospel?
C) Trintarianism is a construct of RCC Catholicism - its plain not biblical. You have been navel gazing too long - how many bananas have you had today? Do you have callouses on your knuckles?:)

AN listen - theological metastasis has occurred in Adventism your insights are sparks of your own kindling and you havent got a match!
maimonides

Kirkland, WA

#12 Dec 4, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
A) How bout coughing up your evidence ?
B) What is the Gospel?
C) Trintarianism is a construct of RCC Catholicism - its plain not biblical. You have been navel gazing too long - how many bananas have you had today? Do you have callouses on your knuckles?:)
AN listen - theological metastasis has occurred in Adventism your insights are sparks of your own kindling and you havent got a match!
Answer for "A",

Primary is the heretical teaching that God is conditional apart from any and all of His creation. Example,

Sacred Scripture repeatedly confirms that God saved us "in Him" prior to the creation of the world yet White maintained that God could have nerf'd our Salvation as well as His own with the terminus being God casts 'god' into Hell that was prepared for the Devil and his angels.

Answer to question "B",

"Gospel" = the good new OF / the proclamation Of the reality that "OUR KING HAS BEEN VICTORIOUS IN BATTLE". That is the primary meaning of the word. As in it's OVER!

Answer to question "C",

You are simply exercising the sin of Korah. God spoke via Moses in the Old Covenant and via Christ in the New. Since Christ left God speaks through His established Authority.

""1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
"""END QUOTE of Acts 1,1"""" """"" """"" ""
Earthcaller

Winter Garden, FL

#13 Dec 4, 2009
A question for Maimonides

Was Jesus perfect as a human being in his human experience?
Lay Worker

United States

#14 Dec 4, 2009
maimonides wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer for "A",
Primary is the heretical teaching that God is conditional apart from any and all of His creation. Example,
Sacred Scripture repeatedly confirms that God saved us "in Him" prior to the creation of the world yet White maintained that God could have nerf'd our Salvation as well as His own with the terminus being God casts 'god' into Hell that was prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Answer to question "B",
"Gospel" = the good new OF / the proclamation Of the reality that "OUR KING HAS BEEN VICTORIOUS IN BATTLE". That is the primary meaning of the word. As in it's OVER!
Answer to question "C",
You are simply exercising the sin of Korah. God spoke via Moses in the Old Covenant and via Christ in the New. Since Christ left God speaks through His established Authority.
""1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
"""END QUOTE of Acts 1,1"""" """"" """"" ""
A - NOPE - no evidence

B - NOPE - not the BIBLE defintiion of the GOSPEL

C - NOPE - Korah Dathan & Abiram did not challenge MOses on the Godhead.

You Silly Duffer!
maimonides

Seattle, WA

#15 Dec 4, 2009
Earthcaller wrote:
A question for Maimonides
Was Jesus perfect as a human being in his human experience?
Yes, perfect. The Human Nature operated at 100% perfection.
Lay Worker

United States

#16 Dec 4, 2009
maimonides wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, perfect. The Human Nature operated at 100% perfection.
EC

Maimo has the Immaculate Conception down pat!

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#17 Dec 4, 2009
maimonides wrote:
Theistic Evolution is a permissible belief within SDA Theology and continues to be more accepted as time passes.
Adventism fully supports a mutable Christ, therefore Christ's hypothetical mutation from one species into another whereas the terminus reveals a Nature that is polar opposite from the previous species allows for Theistic Evolution to be a permissible belief within the denomination.
Within time every SDA university will teach T.E. It's nothing to be afraid of and as demonstrated the DNA is contained within Adventist foundational theology.
Nice quote..

PRESENT
DNA -
D - Does
N - Not
A - ASCEND

The future eternally equipped hybrid body
1st John 3v2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#18 Dec 4, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
EC
Maimo has the Immaculate Conception down pat!
Yes I have to agree Maimonides surely does have the Immaculate Conception down pat [and I do not like agreeing with you lot]

Since: Jul 09

Reno, NV

#19 Dec 4, 2009
Amish wrote:
After researching the claims of evolution in science i've concluded the pagan belief and the jesuit's counter-reformation are one and the same, now often called marxism. This website shows a few of the numerous connections-
http://christkeep.com/articles/jesuits_evolut...
"It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible-reading people. The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom." -Horace Greeley
http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot....
Interesting websites by the way.
Lay Worker

United States

#20 Dec 4, 2009
anti-ALF chick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I have to agree Maimonides surely does have the Immaculate Conception down pat [and I do not like agreeing with you lot]
Why? Dont you like to agree with TRUTH?

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