Church leaders condemn Colorado Senators words as a "hate speech"

Feb 26, 2009 Full story: lezgetreal.com 19

After making a parallel between Murders and Gays during in a debate over a bill to extend health benefits to same-sex partners of state employees in the Colorado State Senate this past Monday, state Sen. Scott Renfroe has come under fire from a Colorado coalition of ministers who are condemning Renfroe and calling his comments “hate speech”.

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“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#1 Feb 26, 2009
This hateful bigot nut should be voted out of office.

My church permits a gy clergy and gay marriage in the church.

This bigot does not speak for all Christians.

PEACE !

:)

Since: Jun 08

San Antonio, TX

#2 Feb 26, 2009
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
This hateful bigot nut should be voted out of office.

:)
I don't know what it's like in Colorado but in Texas, most voters are too uninformed to make a decision based on anything more than name recognition of the incumbent. One has to be REALLY bad to get voted out of office in Texas.
born that way

Washington, DC

#3 Feb 26, 2009
It's refreshing to see the "other" Christians calling him out on his hateful words. We do not hear from them often enough, and, as one commenter noted, people are getting the idea that this kind of hatred is what christianity is all about.

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#4 Feb 26, 2009
born that way wrote:
It's refreshing to see the "other" Christians calling him out on his hateful words. We do not hear from them often enough, and, as one commenter noted, people are getting the idea that this kind of hatred is what christianity is all about.
Unfortunately true.

:(

Since: Mar 07

Washington DC

#5 Feb 26, 2009
He's a boil on the but of humanity, that's for sure...

From the article:
Quoting the Bible on the Senate floor, Renfroe said gays are an “abomination” and an “offense to God”…“have committed a detestable act and they shall surely be put to death,” and then went on to compare homosexuality with murder - both sins, he said, that the state has no business making “legally OK.”

What about adultery and divorce? That book of fairytales says they are sins... why not the outrage at the state making them "legally OK"?? Huh, Mr. Senator??
Craig G

Tucson, AZ

#6 Feb 26, 2009
I belong to a wonderful Episcopal church in Tucson that could not be more gay friendly. During the 2008 and 2006 efforts to ban gay marriage, Grace ST. Paul's had major interfaith services to counter the hate coming mainly from the Catholic church. We packed the place (400+) the first time. It was incredibly powerful. We have gay clergy, gay commitment ceremonies, gays serving on every conceivable part of the church (we practically run the place). I run the advertising campaigns and I can tell you that we make a serious effort to reach out to the lgbt community. We even ran ads last year in the local lgbt paper that red, "any more embracing and it would be illegal in 37 states!" My rector personally approved it. He was bolder than I was, and I'm gay. We've had a booth at gay pride in town for three years now.

Yes, there are a LOT of pro-gay churches out there. Don't let these bigots on the right ever keep you from your faith, if that's what you want.

That having been said, we still get drowned out from the religious right. Let 400 people and the clergy from over 30 churches gather in support of gay rights, and the news media puts us on page 12. Let the Catholic bishop bleat away about how evil he thinks gay people are, and it's on the front page.

We ARE here for you, and we DO support you - the lgbt community - more than you can ever imagine. We aren't always able to raise our voices loud enough to be heard among the hate, unfortunately.

Since: Apr 07

Morrison, IL

#7 Feb 26, 2009
I wish more loving ministers would do this, stand up against this type of speech. Not just to promote equality, though that is certainly a big goal, but also to try and stamp out the belief that the hateful right wing speak for all Christians. Jesus was a radical. He associated with lepers and defended whores. Why all of a sudden are so many Christians trying to be Pharisees?
Connie Clear

Rancho Cordova, CA

#8 Feb 26, 2009
Why are the Bigots louder?

There are lots of Gay friendly churches. There are lots of groups that do not agree with the Bigots but we don't hear from them very often.

I admire the ministers who spoke up here calling it what it is -- hate speech. We need to encourage more to stand up and get louder.
tiqueboy

New Buffalo, MI

#9 Feb 26, 2009
Everyone says this is bad....of course it is. However, what has been neglected is why was he even allowed a bible and even moreover allowed to read from it to make his point on the floor of the Senate? Not what I would call seperation of church and state and he should have been called out of order and muted! I want to know why he was allowed this intollerable spewing of hate on the Senate floor!!!!!!?
Connie Clear

Rancho Cordova, CA

#10 Feb 26, 2009
Craig G wrote:
I belong to a wonderful Episcopal church in Tucson that could not be more gay friendly. During the 2008 and 2006 efforts to ban gay marriage, Grace ST. Paul's had major interfaith services to counter the hate coming mainly from the Catholic church. We packed the place (400+) the first time. It was incredibly powerful. We have gay clergy, gay commitment ceremonies, gays serving on every conceivable part of the church (we practically run the place). I run the advertising campaigns and I can tell you that we make a serious effort to reach out to the lgbt community. We even ran ads last year in the local lgbt paper that red, "any more embracing and it would be illegal in 37 states!" My rector personally approved it. He was bolder than I was, and I'm gay. We've had a booth at gay pride in town for three years now.
Yes, there are a LOT of pro-gay churches out there. Don't let these bigots on the right ever keep you from your faith, if that's what you want.
That having been said, we still get drowned out from the religious right. Let 400 people and the clergy from over 30 churches gather in support of gay rights, and the news media puts us on page 12. Let the Catholic bishop bleat away about how evil he thinks gay people are, and it's on the front page.
We ARE here for you, and we DO support you - the lgbt community - more than you can ever imagine. We aren't always able to raise our voices loud enough to be heard among the hate, unfortunately.
I suspect you will never know how much we appreaciate you and how thankful we are for you. Please keep raising your voice. Please don't be silent for a minute. OWN page 12. We will find you there and eventually the Bigots will, also.

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#11 Feb 26, 2009
I have been a member of the United Church Of Christ for the past 13 years.

We celebrated our 150TH ANNIVERSARY a few months ago.

:)

Our church allows gay marriage in the church.

In the past 20 years, we have had one gay man as a pastor and 2 lesbians as pastors.

Our present pastor is a woman who is divorced and has tattoos.

:)

I mention this because the bible says:

1. Women shall be SILENT in a church.
2. Divorce is a sin.
3. Tattoos are forbidden.

Our church's membership is about 15% gay I would say.

PEACE !

:)
Omaha Gay Village

La Vista, NE

#12 Feb 26, 2009
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
This hateful bigot nut should be voted out of office.
My church permits a gy clergy and gay marriage in the church.
This bigot does not speak for all Christians.
PEACE !
:)
Voted out? He should be physically removed from office for his hate speech.
Creative1

Sydney, Australia

#13 Feb 26, 2009
Thank you Senator __________Insert right wing nut name here!)

With every extreme homophopbic rant Lesbian and Gay rights advance just a little bit more.

Each time someone like you opens his mouth and spouts this type of hateful bile I forward it on to my moderate Republican friends and relatives in places like Hobe Sound, FL and Rochester, NY.

When they see and hear just how extreme you are I always seem to be able to pick-up a few more votes for the Democrats.

Your continued speaking is the best recruiting tool we Democrats have.

These moderate Republicans are repulsed by the things you say. And people like you are why we picked up swing states like Florida, Virginia and North Carlorina!

KEEP TALKING SENATOR!

And once again, THANK YOU!

(I admit that I cut and pasted this from my post on Sen Buttars in Utah but it just seemd so perfect here as well!)

“STFU”

Since: May 07

Atlanta, GA

#14 Feb 27, 2009
born that way wrote:
people are getting the idea that this kind of hatred is what christianity is all about.
It is. While there may be some who aren't, they give "aid and comfort" to those who do, they make it possible for the hate, violence, and oppression to continue. Never, EVER, trust a religionist.

Since: Apr 07

Morrison, IL

#16 Feb 27, 2009
fuzi wrote:
<quoted text>It is. While there may be some who aren't, they give "aid and comfort" to those who do, they make it possible for the hate, violence, and oppression to continue. Never, EVER, trust a religionist.
Wow. Way to stereotype. All Christians are in some way, by their very belief in God, harmful and not to be trusted. Kind of like how all gays are harmful to society and children?
I choose not to fight prejudice with prejudice, but that's just me.

“STFU”

Since: May 07

Atlanta, GA

#17 Feb 27, 2009
CDMelton wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. Way to stereotype. All Christians are in some way, by their very belief in God, harmful and not to be trusted. Kind of like how all gays are harmful to society and children?
I choose not to fight prejudice with prejudice, but that's just me.
Why is it you religionists are so ill-equipped to format a correct analogy? And stereotyping? I didn't do that, but you just did. If you're going to use words, perhaps you should find out their meaning and how they're used before doing so.

Since: Apr 07

Morrison, IL

#18 Feb 27, 2009
fuzi wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it you religionists are so ill-equipped to format a correct analogy? And stereotyping? I didn't do that, but you just did. If you're going to use words, perhaps you should find out their meaning and how they're used before doing so.
You're equating all people of faith, any faith, with the haters. That's exactly the same as when the haters equate all gays with NAMBLA.
They aren't all Dobson and Warren, and we aren't all Dahmer and Gacy. You are stereotyping, assuming all "religionists" are the same, or that they are dangerous just by believing in something you don't. And I never said I had a religion. You just assume that because I don't hate people who do that I must be one of them. Maybe I'm just an ally.

“STFU”

Since: May 07

Atlanta, GA

#20 Feb 28, 2009
CDMelton wrote:
<quoted text>
You're equating all people of faith, any faith, with the haters. That's exactly the same as when the haters equate all gays with NAMBLA.
They aren't all Dobson and Warren, and we aren't all Dahmer and Gacy. You are stereotyping, assuming all "religionists" are the same, or that they are dangerous just by believing in something you don't. And I never said I had a religion. You just assume that because I don't hate people who do that I must be one of them. Maybe I'm just an ally.
My statement about religionists is not analogous to your offering of NAMBLA. That you cannot grasp why only points out your error even further. And I did not stereotype anyone. But you did. The fact that you cannot grasp the concept and understand why my statements were not a stereotype but yours are is further indication of your lack of understanding of basic debate concepts.

In other words, you shouldn't try using ideas and words you know nothing about.

Since: Apr 07

Morrison, IL

#21 Feb 28, 2009
fuzi -
So explain it to me. You have no problem telling me I have no idea yet you refuse to spell it out. You hate all religionists for merely having religion. Some hate all gays for merely being gay. Explain the difference to me. I may not be trained in the art of debate but are you? You're not doing much to try to persuade me, to explain why your point is better. You're just telling me I'm wrong over and over. You seem only capable of posting your oringinal thought (All religionists are evil and bad just for having a faith) and of calling anyone who disagrees ignorant and dumb, but not of backing up either statement. "If you don't know I'm not telling you" seems to be your basic gist and I'm not sure what a debate tool that is.

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