Midwestern nuclear energy under scrut...

Midwestern nuclear energy under scrutiny after earthquake, tsunami causes meltdown in Japan

There are 43 comments on the MLive.com story from Mar 15, 2011, titled Midwestern nuclear energy under scrutiny after earthquake, tsunami causes meltdown in Japan. In it, MLive.com reports that:

Views on how Japan's ongoing nuclear disaster could or should affect the U.S. nuclear industry are as polarizing as a debate between such politically opposite firebrands as Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher.

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Since: Jun 09

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Mar 15, 2011
I really doubt that the midwest will have a 9.0 earthquake and a 40 foot tsunami, so we're probably fine.
NW Hominid

Tacoma, WA

#2 Mar 15, 2011
Madrid fault strike would be devastating, all those rivers will be nuke cess pools...
SOwhat

Carbondale, IL

#3 Mar 15, 2011
Barney Stinson wrote:
I really doubt that the midwest will have a 9.0 earthquake and a 40 foot tsunami, so we're probably fine.
That's what they said in Japan too. Maybe no tsunami , but no reactor can be built to withstand the forces of the planet.
NW Hominid

Tacoma, WA

#4 Mar 15, 2011
Those TVA dams are just waiting for something to burst...
Dave Christman

Beaver, PA

#5 Mar 15, 2011
SOwhat wrote:
That's what they said in Japan too.
Really? What did they actually say and where did you hear them say it?
Maybe no tsunami , but no reactor can be built to withstand the forces of the planet.
You mean like the hurricane that hit Turkey Point and the tornado that hit Davis-Besse?
The Keeper

United States

#6 Mar 16, 2011
Earthquakes WILL take out any safety system or so called "fail safe" if intense enough. We never know what strength we will encounter just like in Japan. And yes, the Japenese did say they were prepaired for the biggest quake that would ever occure in that area. Backups can and do fail. It was just a matter of time until they were tested. Tornados and hurricanes may not move solid structures but movement of the earth can not be countered in all cases.

Since: Jun 09

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Mar 16, 2011
The Keeper wrote:
Earthquakes WILL take out any safety system or so called "fail safe" if intense enough. We never know what strength we will encounter just like in Japan. And yes, the Japenese did say they were prepaired for the biggest quake that would ever occure in that area. Backups can and do fail. It was just a matter of time until they were tested. Tornados and hurricanes may not move solid structures but movement of the earth can not be countered in all cases.
The plant in Japan was supposedly rated to withstand up to an 8.0 earthquake, which is what was deemed a reasonable max back in the 1960s. The plant there was built in 1970 or so. And if you read reputable reports, you'll find out that the plant survived the earthquake just fine. It lost offsite power and began shutdown plans using power from their deisel generators. The problem came with the tsunami, which was much bigger than anyone could have predicted and it wiped out the deisel fuel tanks.
Since losing all AC power, the plant used batteries to power essential equipment and continue cooling down the reactors. All fission was stopped and they were just dealing with decay heat, and doing it just fine.
The media blows everything out of proportion and makes you think that the problems with the fires and hydrogen explosions are making huge plumes of radiation or something, but it just isn't true. There's some truth to these report of "8 times the normal radiation outside the site!", but you need to realize that the normal radiation is very near zero. It is less than you would get flying in an airplane (from the sun).

So unless the midwest has some crazy tsunami come through, we're fine.

As for new nuke plants, they are designed differently. Technology has improved in the last 40 years. Any problems in Fukushima would not be around in a 2020-era plant.

Since: Jun 09

Saint Louis, MO

#8 Mar 16, 2011
SOwhat wrote:
<quoted text>That's what they said in Japan too. Maybe no tsunami , but no reactor can be built to withstand the forces of the planet.
no ANYTHING can be built to withstand the forces of the planet, should we just stop doing anything because it might fail when hit with an earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, or volcano? Be realistic. It is a calculated risk.

Any other industry would thank their lucky stars to go 35 years between significant events. Between Chernobyl (1985) and Fukushima (2011), how many mines have collapsed? How many oil rigs or cargo ships have dumped oil into the water? How many hotels have collapsed? How many spaceships have broken apart or exploded? How many ships have sunk? How many planes have crashed? How many busses have crashed?
TickTickTick

United States

#9 Mar 16, 2011
Barney Stinson wrote:
<quoted text>no ANYTHING can be built to withstand the forces of the planet, should we just stop doing anything because it might fail when hit with an earthquake, tsunami, hurricane, or volcano? Be realistic. It is a calculated risk.
Any other industry would thank their lucky stars to go 35 years between significant events. Between Chernobyl (1985) and Fukushima (2011), how many mines have collapsed? How many oil rigs or cargo ships have dumped oil into the water? How many hotels have collapsed? How many spaceships have broken apart or exploded? How many ships have sunk? How many planes have crashed? How many busses have crashed?
How many does it take ??? An earthquake can take out the best nuclear plant......people can't win against nature.
Dave Christman

Lakewood, OH

#10 Mar 16, 2011
TickTickTick wrote:
How many does it take ??? An earthquake can take out the best nuclear plant.
If an earthquake can do that, then why hasn't it?
.....people can't win against nature.
Sure they can, there are many examples.
davy jones

United States

#11 Mar 16, 2011
But there are many more examples of failure ......
Dave Christman

Lakewood, OH

#12 Mar 18, 2011
davy jones wrote:
But there are many more examples of failure ......
Only in lesser developed countries.
Copperhead

United States

#13 Mar 18, 2011
Dave Christman wrote:
<quoted text> Only in lesser developed countries.
Our turn may come sooner than you think...we're not immune.
The Keeper

United States

#14 Mar 19, 2011
Been lucky too long.....
Dave Christman

Lakewood, OH

#15 Mar 19, 2011
The Keeper wrote:
Been lucky too long.....
Good engineering design and quality construction are not the result of luck.
Scottar

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Mar 20, 2011
Being that there are 28~35 of these type of reactors in the US:

I think it's good. The hydrogen explosions where due to the failure of the plant to vent it outside, instead it was vented inside the outer containment.

They need to make damn sure that emergency coolant pumps are not compromised by either coolant pipe breaks or a tsunami or flooding event.

Make sure cooling ponds are not compromised and away from the reactor if possible.

Having portable pumping modules nearby in a high risk zone would be desirable.

Have a Manhattan nuclear Gen IV project would be desirable as, weather you like it or not, renewables will not replace either the old reactors nor coal plants. They are too expensive, none demand, can't effectively harness the very diluted energy for the grid. The resources required are too massive for the infrastructure.

Along with Gen IV would be conservation and efficiency measures which involve updating the grid and old plants, building HVAC, etc.
Dave Christman

Beaver, PA

#17 Mar 20, 2011
Scottar wrote:
Being that there are 28~35 of these type of reactors in the US:
I think it's good. The hydrogen explosions where due to the failure of the plant to vent it outside, instead it was vented inside the outer containment.
They need to make damn sure that emergency coolant pumps are not compromised by either coolant pipe breaks or a tsunami or flooding event.
That is already part of the design of US plants.

Make sure cooling ponds are not compromised and away from the reactor if possible.
That could best be taken care of by moving the spent fuel to Yucca Mountain.
Triad22

United States

#18 Mar 20, 2011
Yucca Mountain ??? Earthquake zone ??? Leaking nuclear waste everywhere ??? You crazy ??? You are no different than the people in Japan. Yea....put that shit on fault lines....it won't happen here !!! We're damn good engineers and can't screw up.
Dave Christman

Beaver, PA

#19 Mar 20, 2011
Triad22 wrote:
Yucca Mountain ??? Earthquake zone ??? Leaking nuclear waste everywhere ??? You crazy ??? You are no different than the people in Japan. Yea....put that shit on fault lines....it won't happen here !!! We're damn good engineers and can't screw up.
Perhaps some day you will be able to write a coherant comment that is related to reality.
Demos

United States

#20 Mar 20, 2011
Dave Christman wrote:
<quoted text> Perhaps some day you will be able to write a coherant comment that is related to reality.
fact is , why do these fools always want to put nuclear waste and reactors in the worst places ?? Like fault zones ?? I guess you got to put them somewhere....they just don't them too close to themselves.

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