Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit unites manus...

Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit unites manuscripts with Cincinnati history

There are 11 comments on the Cincinnati.com story from Jul 8, 2012, titled Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit unites manuscripts with Cincinnati history. In it, Cincinnati.com reports that:

The Cincinnati Museum Center is bringing to town 20 ancient and priceless Dead Sea Scrolls from Israel for what it calls a 'blockbuster' exhibit to rival Cleopatra and Pompeii.

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D_Kripke

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Jul 9, 2012
When this exhibit showed in New York, it received many negative reviews, some of them apparently prompted by statements deemed offensive to Jews displayed on some of the explanatory material on the walls. Hopefully the display has been modified in response to the constructive criticism received in NYC. See, for example:
http://open.salon.com/blog/dead_sea_scrolls_n...
http://open.salon.com/blog/dead_sea_scrolls_n...

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#2 Jul 9, 2012
Thanks for posting the links. Both articles were very interesting.

That said, Golb's remarks about "faith based scholarship" were both absurd and offensive. The vast majority of biblical scholars would agree with every statement displayed in the Discovery Times Square exhibition. The statements don't agree with zionism's mythology or Golb's published opinions, but neither do most historians.

The smoking gun evidence in favor of the majority consensus that the Scrolls were written by Palestinian Essenes is not just the MMT scroll criticizing the evil Jerusalem priesthood corrupting Mosaic law, but the fact that the writers of the scrolls used the solar calendar, as did the Essenes, and the Jerusalem priesthood used the lunar calendar. On the other hand, there isn't a shred of evidence found among any of the documents that supports Golb's assertion that the scrolls are "Jewish" in origin.

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#3 Jul 9, 2012
ezdzit wrote:
Thanks for posting the links. Both articles were very interesting.
That said, Golb's remarks about "faith based scholarship" were both absurd and offensive. The vast majority of biblical scholars would agree with every statement displayed in the Discovery Times Square exhibition. The statements don't agree with zionism's mythology or Golb's published opinions, but neither do most historians.
The smoking gun evidence in favor of the majority consensus that the Scrolls were written by Palestinian Essenes is not just the MMT scroll criticizing the evil Jerusalem priesthood corrupting Mosaic law, but the fact that the writers of the scrolls used the solar calendar, as did the Essenes, and the Jerusalem priesthood used the lunar calendar. On the other hand, there isn't a shred of evidence found among any of the documents that supports Golb's assertion that the scrolls are "Jewish" in origin.
Actually the Essenes were a Jewish sect, but don't let facts get in your way.

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#4 Jul 9, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the Essenes were a Jewish sect, but don't let facts get in your way.
The Essenes had established communities in Palestine and were part of an ethnic group known as the y'hudi but they were not a "Jewish sect". Neither the noun "Jew" or the adjective "Jewish" even existed until about 1300 AD, bubba.

Judaism wasn't the ancient religion of the Israelites and didn't even exist during the time of Joshua, Samuel, David and Solomon or any of the Prophets. It evolved centuries after the Dead Sea Scrolls were written from the synthetic religion Ezra invented after the Babylonian exile circa 500 BC.



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#5 Jul 9, 2012
ezdzit wrote:
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The Essenes had established communities in Palestine and were part of an ethnic group known as the y'hudi but they were not a "Jewish sect". Neither the noun "Jew" or the adjective "Jewish" even existed until about 1300 AD, bubba.
Judaism wasn't the ancient religion of the Israelites and didn't even exist during the time of Joshua, Samuel, David and Solomon or any of the Prophets. It evolved centuries after the Dead Sea Scrolls were written from the synthetic religion Ezra invented after the Babylonian exile circa 500 BC.
If you think it's such a fake religion, why did you guys all copy it. Get your own material for a change. Invent something useful.

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Since: Aug 11

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#6 Jul 9, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>If you think it's such a fake religion, why did you guys all copy it. Get your own material for a change. Invent something useful.
Judaism is based on the Talmud. Neither Christianity nor Islam nor any other religion copied anything from the Talmud.

Christianity and Islam evolved from the Essene and Ebionite/Nazarene religious traditions. Both adopted many ancient Essene texts as canon but the texts were written by Egyptians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Assyrians, and Canaanites long before Judaism was invented.
Cousin

Elkview, WV

#7 Jul 9, 2012
God is real, the Bible is real--as God's word, and Abraham was called by God--and he answered to that call of God.
The Bible is the Holy Spirit breathed and inspired word of God---period!!! Too many attempts try to stamp out the name of Jesus and confound the message of the Bible.
The Bible is the best news to this world, to every generation since it has been written and recorded.
There are forces in this world that are determined to make man--to make the believer--the nonbeliever--turn against God---or just simply not believe in God.
Nevertheless, God is very real, and very much the God the Bible describes Him to be and the God that the Holy Spirit tells us of God whom He is.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are ancient writings that were written, which agree with the Bible today. Only one book, as I undertand it, which may be the Book of Esther, was not included in it's writings. They agree with what we believe, today.
There are those who will try to stamp out the word of God, yet, the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Kingdom of God, whose Kingdom is that of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son.
Debate it--tear it apart--break it down--but without the Spirit--man will not understand it. That's the way it is! The Bible tells us to "seek, and we shall find; ask, and it shall be given to us; knock, and the door will be opened unto us." Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, man will miss the meaning.
It takes THE LORD to show the Way. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no man comes to the Father except by Him. The Bible says this and it's true.
2 Chronicles 7:14 says, "If My people which are called by My name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from Heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
There's too many trying to cause man to turn away from God. If we want our nation healed, and our hearts healed, we are going to have to do it by God's grace and help. We should be turnin TO GOD, NOT FROM GOD. Let us not harden our hearts, because Jesus is calling for us to return---each believer, to a closer walk with Him, and each who are not Chrstians, to find a Saviour in Jesus Christ.
My intention is to offend no one. My intention only is to encourage people, and to tell them (you) that there is a God in Heaven, whom the Bible describes, and the Holy Spirit gives witness to, that loves each and every one of them (you), and is wanting to save and have a personal relationship with them (you).
D_Kripke

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Jul 13, 2012
ezdzit wrote:
Thanks for posting the links. Both articles were very interesting.
That said, Golb's remarks about "faith based scholarship" were both absurd and offensive. The vast majority of biblical scholars would agree with every statement displayed in the Discovery Times Square exhibition. The statements don't agree with zionism's mythology or Golb's published opinions, but neither do most historians.
The smoking gun evidence in favor of the majority consensus that the Scrolls were written by Palestinian Essenes is not just the MMT scroll criticizing the evil Jerusalem priesthood corrupting Mosaic law, but the fact that the writers of the scrolls used the solar calendar, as did the Essenes, and the Jerusalem priesthood used the lunar calendar. On the other hand, there isn't a shred of evidence found among any of the documents that supports Golb's assertion that the scrolls are "Jewish" in origin.
In this instance, the "consensus" appears to be premature. Historical truth is not established by the Christian "majority" or any other kind of vote. The MMT text (discussed at length in Golb's book), is simply one more of the broad range of texts found in the caves; incidentally, many false claims were made about this text by Schiffman and other members of the monopoly before it was published. Various calendrical systems were found among the scrolls, not one. The vast majority of the texts have no sectarian tilt whatsoever, all the stuff we hear about the Essenes is based on a small group of texts that the traditionalists like to arbitrarily present as the "core" of the lot.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

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#9 Jul 13, 2012
D_Kripke wrote:
<quoted text>
In this instance, the "consensus" appears to be premature. Historical truth is not established by the Christian "majority" or any other kind of vote. The MMT text (discussed at length in Golb's book), is simply one more of the broad range of texts found in the caves; incidentally, many false claims were made about this text by Schiffman and other members of the monopoly before it was published. Various calendrical systems were found among the scrolls, not one. The vast majority of the texts have no sectarian tilt whatsoever, all the stuff we hear about the Essenes is based on a small group of texts that the traditionalists like to arbitrarily present as the "core" of the lot.
There is no evidence to support your claim that the majority of biblical scholars are followers of the "Christian" religion.

The MMT scroll affirms, among other things, the description of the conflict between the Essenes and the Jews found in Flavius Josephus' "Judean Wars" circa 100 AD. The conflict was the Essenes accused the Jerusalem priesthood of fabricating Mosaic laws. BTW Flavius Josephus was a Jewish scholar.

The Gospels document that Jesus, who many believe was an Essene, accused the Jerusalem priesthood of fabricating Mosaic laws.

The "Prolegomena" published in 1878 by Julius Wellhausen, asserts the origins of the Pentateuch. It reviews all the major advances of the preceding century by Johann Gottfried Eichhorn, Wilhelm de Wette, Karl Heinrich Graf and others, and puts forward the author's view, which is that the Priestly source was the last of the four sources, written during the Babylonian exile c.550 BC. In other words, the Mosaic Law contained in Leviticus, which is largely by the Priestly author, as well as the substantial amounts of material from the Priestly source to be found in Genesis, Exodus and the Book of Numbers, did not exist in the age of Joshua, Samuel, David and Solomon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolegomena_zur_...

Does Golb address the fact that Judaism is a synthetic religion that was invented circa 500 BC by Ezra in collaboration with the Persian government?



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#10 Jul 13, 2012
Almost every day of the uprising against the Islamofascist rule of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad has brought new reports of shootings, deaths and injuries. Muslims are killing Muslims in Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Iran.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-1...

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#11 Jul 14, 2012
Scholar: The Essenes, Dead Sea Scroll 'authors,' never existed

Scholarship suggesting the existence of the Essenes, a religious Jewish group that lived in the Judea before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, is wrong, according to Prof. Rachel Elior, whose study on the subject will be released soon.

Elior blasts the predominant opinion of Dead Sea Scrolls scholars that the Essenes had written the scrolls in Qumran, claiming instead that they were written by ousted Temple priests in Jerusalem.
"Sixty years of research have been wasted trying to find the Essenes in the scrolls. But they didn't exist, they were invented by [Jewish-Roman historian] Josephus. It's a history of errors which is simply nonsense," she said.

In his book "The Jewish War," Flavius Josephus describes the Essenes as an ascetic, mystical religious sect that lived in abstinence from worldly pleasures, including sex.

The Essenes are commonly believed to have written the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in a Qumran cave in 1947 and are considered the most significant archaeological discovery of the past century.

The scrolls consist of numerous religious documents including preserved copies of the Hebrew Bible, untouched from as early as 300 BCE.
Many scholars claim that the Essenes were the first Christians, or were related to John the Baptist and to Jesus Christ. Prof. James Charlesworth, a senior Bible scholar who also specializes in the Dead Sea Scrolls, Josephus and the Gospel of John, believes John the Baptist lived among the Essenes for at least a year and drew some of his central ideas from them.

While mainstream scholarship maintains the Essenes or the Qumran sect that lived near the Dead Sea wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, a few scholars believe the scrolls had been written in Jerusalem or elsewhere and were brought to the Dead Sea at a later stage.

Last week the controversy over the identity of the scrolls' authors was thrust into the headlines with the arrest of Raphael Golb, son of Dead Sea Scrolls scholar Prof. Norman Golb of the University of Chicago, on suspicion of impersonating a rival scholar.

Norman Golb has claimed the Dead Sea Scrolls had not been written by the Essenes and that scholars who oppose him are trying to silence him. He described the senior scrolls' scholars as a united sect or guild, no less fanatic that the Qumran sect they claim has written the scrolls.
"Golb presents his approach in a radical way and is therefore not considered legitimate among the scholars," Elior said. She accepts some of his criticism about the mainstream scrolls scholars.

Elior says Josephus, inspired by descriptions of life in the Greek city of Sparta, made the Essenes up.

"There is no historical testimony in Hebrew or Aramaic of the Essenes. It is unthinkable that thousands of people lived abstemiously, contrary to Torah laws, and nobody wrote anything about it," she said.
Then who did write the scrolls?

Elior says the Sadducees, a sect descending from the high priest Zadok, who anointed Solomon as king, are the true authors. The scrolls belonged to the Temple and were brought to the Dead Sea to protect them, she says.
"The scrolls speak in clear Hebrew of the priests, sons of Zadok. So why call them Essenes?" asked Elior. "That's a distortion of history. It's like saying that the State of Israel wasn't established by Mapai, but by the Greens."...

Prof. Hanan Eshel of Bar-Ilan University claims that denying the Essenes' existence is groundless.

"Almost 70 scholars accept the statement that one of the Essenes' groups lived in Qumran and some say we're all morons and only they understand," he said. One of the scrolls, "describes a small group of people living communally. Can anyone explain to me how this could have come from Jerusalem?"

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/1.2...

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