China Expert: China's Situation Is Like The End Of The Ussr, And No One Wants To Be Gorbachev

Jun 23, 2012 Full story: Silicon Alley Insider 189

Last night the Asia Society, in conjunction with the New York Review of Books , hosted a speaker series with guest speakers Ian Johnson Beijing-based writer and foreign correspondent for the Wall Street Journal and Roderick MacFarquhar, a Professor of History and former Director of the John King Fairbank Center for East Asian Research at Harvard ... (more)

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Sardar

Calicut, India

#1 Jun 23, 2012
Hmmmm....

So when will the end come ???

Our commie-serations in advance)

Since: Mar 08

Portland, OR

#2 Jun 23, 2012
the world will be so much better off...especially for the Chinese people. I hope the changes that are to come are not too bloody
Filmalay

Salinas, CA

#3 Jun 23, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
the world will be so much better off...especially for the Chinese people. I hope the changes that are to come are not too bloody
The government should make adjustments now otherwise it will be a disaster to China's economy, society and the whole world.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#4 Jun 23, 2012
Keep dreaming, you idiots.

My bet is you people learn to adapt the Asian Century we're in now.
Ling Ling Qi

Beijing, China

#5 Jun 23, 2012
China will never be able to simply admit that tremendous and devistating mistakes and atrocities were commited under the Regime. There is too much at stake. And it involves Mongoloid notions of saving face as well.

When the Russians decided to go back to a truly electoral system and back to Federalism instead of Communism, it was relatively simple in comparison.

It will not be so easy for China. There is intra-Chinese politics involved that will require very, very delicate diplomacy to untangle, if it can be untangled at all.

China has done everything possible to try to get out of a socialist and one party system that it can and still save face.

I'm almost convinced that the only way China could slink out of its own mess is to go back to a dynastic/monarchy model of government for a while along with democratic representative government. It's the only thing that would save China's nearly indescribable hubris.

But we all know that isn't going to happen.

No. I don't ever see China being able to get out of Communist one party totalitarian rule. Even if every party member in China wanted to do so, it still would be almost impossible. China invested its very SOUL in Communism and lost it in the process.
Ling Ling Qi

Beijing, China

#6 Jun 23, 2012
Chinese people can comprehend guns. They can comprehend force. They can comprehend fear, threatening, intimidation and war. Chinese people can even comprehend a state-centric market economy. Chinese people can comprehend despots and warlords. Chinese people can understand control or servitude. Chinese people can understand caste systems, class systems and racism.

But what Chinese seem to be unable to comprehend is real and actual Change from within. Not regime change. Not social transition. Not culture revolution. Not feudalism to modernism. I'm talking about something that I'm not sure the Chinese mentality is even capable of comprehending--veritable personal and societal TRANSFORMATION of conscience.

The reason I doubt China as a majority can understand such notions is because the Chinaman hardly even grasps the idea of the individual as opposed to the colective. This is highly ironic seeing that it was Confucius foremost who championed the individual citizen and the individual responsibilities for the greater good of all. Confucius was and is the consummate Chinese philosopher of personal individualism. He seems all but forgotten except in lip service in this land.
RayH

Guangzhou, China

#7 Jun 23, 2012
Ling Ling Qi wrote:
China will never be able to simply admit that tremendous and devistating mistakes and atrocities were commited under the Regime. There is too much at stake. And it involves Mongoloid notions of saving face as well.
When the Russians decided to go back to a truly electoral system and back to Federalism instead of Communism, it was relatively simple in comparison.
It will not be so easy for China. There is intra-Chinese politics involved that will require very, very delicate diplomacy to untangle, if it can be untangled at all.
China has done everything possible to try to get out of a socialist and one party system that it can and still save face.
I'm almost convinced that the only way China could slink out of its own mess is to go back to a dynastic/monarchy model of government for a while along with democratic representative government. It's the only thing that would save China's nearly indescribable hubris.
But we all know that isn't going to happen.
No. I don't ever see China being able to get out of Communist one party totalitarian rule. Even if every party member in China wanted to do so, it still would be almost impossible. China invested its very SOUL in Communism and lost it in the process.
Believe China tried "democracy" during the Republic of China period already. Didn't work out.
Ling Ling Qi

Beijing, China

#8 Jun 23, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Believe China tried "democracy" during the Republic of China period already. Didn't work out.
Yes. It didn't work out because Mao Tse-Dong had his Red army either murdered or exiled all the Federalists to Taiwan so he could assume the position of absolute dictator, or Chair. Whichever you want to call it.

If it had not been from an emminant threat from Japan, the Republic of China would still be in existence today. And what a different China it would have been. Mao Tse-Dong was given commision to fight against the armies of Japan during WWII. He was not however authorized to exact a BLOODY REVOLUTION AND OVERTHROW OF THE PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBULIC OF CHINA!!!!!

Oh, wait. I almost forgot. Taiwan claims that the Federalist Republic of China still DOES exist, don't they?

I guess therein lies the rub.
Ling Ling Qi

Beijing, China

#9 Jun 23, 2012
It is possible for China to get out of its mess. But Taiwan is a big key to getting it out of that mess.

It's not quite as bad as the relationship between North and South Korea, but it's close. At least the PRC has not literally vowed Holy War against Taiwan like the communist People's socialist Democratic totalitarian dictatorship Republic of Korea has done to South Korea. I suppose that 'slightly' better.

I don't know. There may still be some wu mao and Red Guard cultural revolutionist who would vow annihilation of the Taiwan devils, but I highly doubt it in today's China.
Ling Ling Qi

Beijing, China

#11 Jun 23, 2012
The way that Mao Tse-Dong took over China is quite simple and quite profound all at the same time. He had been given commission to drive out the Japanese forces and he did quite a good job to this end. That Mao was an ingenius millitary strategist, no one will argue.

However, when it came time to stop fighting, Mao decided that he wasn't going to go back home. He told the Chinese people that they wanted Communism and him as their dictator. The Chinese people replied to Mao, We do? After which Mao ordered a million guns to be pointed at them and said,'Yes. Of course you do. Don't you?'

That's making a long story short. The rest of the story is that anyone who didn't agree ran to Taiwan as fast as humanly possible before being slaughtered in mass.

Cute bedtime story, isn't it? Then one year Mao had this great idea called the Great Leap Forward. It was a happy-happy time in China where 45,000,000 people were starved, worked, and beaten to death. That was Mao's 'economic stimulus package', as it were.
LOVE MAO

Austin, TX

#12 Jun 23, 2012
Ling Ling Qi wrote:
The way that Mao Tse-Dong took over China is quite simple and quite profound all at the same time. He had been given commission to drive out the Japanese forces and he did quite a good job to this end. That Mao was an ingenius millitary strategist, no one will argue.
However, when it came time to stop fighting, Mao decided that he wasn't going to go back home. He told the Chinese people that they wanted Communism and him as their dictator. The Chinese people replied to Mao, We do? After which Mao ordered a million guns to be pointed at them and said,'Yes. Of course you do. Don't you?'
That's making a long story short. The rest of the story is that anyone who didn't agree ran to Taiwan as fast as humanly possible before being slaughtered in mass.
Cute bedtime story, isn't it? Then one year Mao had this great idea called the Great Leap Forward. It was a happy-happy time in China where 45,000,000 people were starved, worked, and beaten to death. That was Mao's 'economic stimulus package', as it were.
Seems like he was the greatest Chinaman to have ever lived, for he culled the population sizably.
Xi Jinping

Redwood City, CA

#13 Jun 23, 2012
"Democracy is the wholesome and pure air without which a socialist public organization cannot live a full-blooded life."

Mikhail Gorbachev
WANNABES

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Jun 23, 2012
Chinaman wrote:
There is a thread out there called chinamen are too stupid democracy ! I agree chinamen are too stupid n uncivilized for democracy!!! It is what it is!
Let's agree that you Darkies are as dark as all get out and will never be half as accepted as real Chinese can. Face it. Is what it is.

Since: Mar 08

Beaverton, OR

#15 Jun 23, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Believe China tried "democracy" during the Republic of China period already. Didn't work out.
that is because of Mao's revolution, Mao misled many for a socialist utopia, the Nationalists had to flee as they were militarily defeated, the mainland would have been much better off under the Nationalists in my opinion---they could not have been worse than Mao....who led at least 20 million Chinese to their graves, was heavily involved in the Korean conflict, was involved with Pol Pot, slaugter in Tibet, etc. How could the nationalists have been worse?

Taiwan, where the nationalists fled to quickly became very successful and one of the four Asian Tigers---it thrived....and as for the communist mainland...
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#16 Jun 23, 2012
China will soon have a big power change but they will stayed the course and perhaps be even stronger and buy more American goods.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#17 Jun 23, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
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that is because of Mao's revolution, Mao misled many for a socialist utopia, the Nationalists had to flee as they were militarily defeated, the mainland would have been much better off under the Nationalists in my opinion---they could not have been worse than Mao....who led at least 20 million Chinese to their graves, was heavily involved in the Korean conflict, was involved with Pol Pot, slaugter in Tibet, etc. How could the nationalists have been worse?
Taiwan, where the nationalists fled to quickly became very successful and one of the four Asian Tigers---it thrived....and as for the communist mainland...
Taiwan became economic success quickly? Not really. The Kuomintang fled to Taiwan in 1949; Taiwan's economic rise was in 1977. So, it took them 28 years to get their act together. And massive U.S. aid helped.

It's hard to say what would mainland China be like today if the Kuomintang had won the civil war. I'd say a mix between Philippines and India, whose GDP is 1/4 of China's today. The key problems with the Kuomintang is they're Weak and Incompetent, and they supported the Feudal system on the mainland. The Feudal system is one of the many things holding down Filipinos and Indians today.
lct

Beijing, China

#18 Jun 23, 2012
Snowflake wrote:
China will soon have a big power change but they will stayed the course and perhaps be even stronger and buy more American goods.
American goods? what goods?

Are you starting work in the feild to plant cotton for us?

I guess you have to, start Nov. this year. the fed newest 'operation twist'$297 billion can only last to Nov.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#19 Jun 23, 2012
Ling Ling Qi wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. It didn't work out because Mao Tse-Dong had his Red army either murdered or exiled all the Federalists to Taiwan so he could assume the position of absolute dictator, or Chair. Whichever you want to call it.
If it had not been from an emminant threat from Japan, the Republic of China would still be in existence today. And what a different China it would have been. Mao Tse-Dong was given commision to fight against the armies of Japan during WWII. He was not however authorized to exact a BLOODY REVOLUTION AND OVERTHROW OF THE PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBULIC OF CHINA!!!!!
Oh, wait. I almost forgot. Taiwan claims that the Federalist Republic of China still DOES exist, don't they?
I guess therein lies the rub.
The key reason the Japs had a chance to invade China in the 1930s was the Kuomintang then was Weak and Incompetent.

Since the founding of the PRC in 1949, NO foreign army has managed to fight its way into China. The Nukes helped.
lct

Beijing, China

#20 Jun 23, 2012
the many name poster posted as Nantong, China via proxy:

Stop dream Nantong. None wants you here.

Stop talk Chinese history, Chairman Mao, Confucius. you are victim of your own lies.

Stop pretend as Chinese, No Chinese are shameless like you.
2 Cents

Taipei, Taiwan

#21 Jun 23, 2012
The only constant in life is change and China is no different. China's political system will change but it will do so incrementally and at a pace that minimizes disruptions. China is improving its legal system and will continue to do so. China is experimenting with popular elections at local levels of government and will continue to do so. Chinese people are enjoying increasingly more and more freedoms. Critics may not be happy about the pace of change but to deny that there are changes at all raises doubts about their true intentions. The last thing the Chinese people want or need is the chaos that would ensue from the rapid change desired by those type of critics.

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