Islam and Science:Road to Renewal

Jan 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Free Republic

THE sleep has been long and deep. In 2005 Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined.

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Evolution was an Islamic Theory Before Darwin was Even Born

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Where would that be? It's definitely not in the first surah. There the muslims just ask their imaginary friend for guidance.
The first verse revealed was Surah Al-Alaq, which goes "Read in the thy Lord who created, created man from a clot. And read for you Lord is most generous, who taught by the pen, taught man what he did not know."

But of course the only learning that Islam wants is religious learning. When Muslims say that Islam promotes learning and such, it is almost always learning the Qur'an, Hadith, stories of the prophets, fiqh, shariah, and other Islamic topics.

That is why in Muslim countries you see such an abundance of priests and religious clerics, and few scientists, doctors, or engineers. Their society teaches that learning religion is the most important of all scholarly pursuits.
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The first verse revealed was Surah Al-Alaq, which goes "Read in the thy Lord who created, created man from a clot. And read for you Lord is most generous, who taught by the pen, taught man what he did not know."
But of course the only learning that Islam wants is religious learning. When Muslims say that Islam promotes learning and such, it is almost always learning the Qur'an, Hadith, stories of the prophets, fiqh, shariah, and other Islamic topics.
That is why in Muslim countries you see such an abundance of priests and religious clerics, and few scientists, doctors, or engineers. Their society teaches that learning religion is the most important of all scholarly pursuits.
In the early period of Islam and The Quran, it is well documented in history that Muslims were the leaders in science/mathematics/agricultur e/astronomy/medicine, thus there is a proven example from history that science and Islam were able to work together in a productive manner. It is only recently this can be said to have changed.

The Quran repeatedly emphasises the importance of seeking knowledge, verifying information, use of logic/reason, evidence, consultation, reflection/thinking, study of biology/creation/archaeology/h istory/sciences. Some of the many examples are shown below.

The Quran clearly states signs of the truth it promotes exist in the whole universe, thus surely all of it is worthy of study:

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?[41:53]

Say: Travel in the earth and see how He originated the creation, then God creates the latter creation; surely God has power over all things.[29:20]

Many ways of life have passed away before your time. Go, then, about the earth and behold what happened in the end to those who gave the lie to the truth.[3:137]

In the creation of heavens and Earth, and the alternation between night and day, are signs for those with understanding.
Those who remember God while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the Earth:“Our Lord you did not create this without purpose...”
[3:190-191]The Quran repeatedly emphasises the importance of seeking knowledge, verifying information, use of logic/reason, evidence, consultation, reflection/thinking, study of biology/creation/archaeology/h istory/sciences. Some of the many examples are shown below.

The Quran clearly states signs of the truth it promotes exist in the whole universe, thus surely all of it is worthy of study:

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?[41:53]

Say: Travel in the earth and see how He originated the creation, then God creates the latter creation; surely God has power over all things.[29:20]

Many ways of life have passed away before your time. Go, then, about the earth and behold what happened in the end to those who gave the lie to the truth.[3:137]

In the creation of heavens and Earth, and the alternation between night and day, are signs for those with understanding.
Those who remember God while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the Earth:“Our Lord you did not create this without purpose...”
[3:190-191]


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Khan wrote:
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In the early period of Islam and The Quran, it is well documented in history that Muslims were the leaders in science/mathematics/agricultur e/astronomy/medicine, thus there is a proven example from history that science and Islam were able to work together in a productive manner. It is only recently this can be said to have changed.
While it is true there were many of people of great intelligence who made significant discoveries and advances in the first few hundred years after Muhammad, it had nothing to do with Islam.
For example, the Greeks before also made significant advancements and discoveries in science and intellectual pursuits. Was this because they're Greek religion was true and righteous, and bettered them when it came to learning and knowledge?
No. The religion of these famous Arab/Persian/Indian scientists during the early stages after Islam came about had little to do with their success. In fact it was the absence of religion which did. Most of the golden age took place in the Abassid Era, which was increasingly secular and lax when it came to religion/sharia. Because there were few religious clerics and leaders who held postions in government, culture, arts, and sciences flourished within the Calpihate. People were free to discuss ideas like geocentrism vs. heliocentrism, and some Persian scientists even drafted up a precursor theory to modern evolutionary science, and they did this without fear of repression from religion.
In fact the famous Persian scientist Al-Razi (who is considered to be one of the greatest chemists and physicians of all time) was a stauch critic of Islam, even going on to say:
"If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."
Which is interesting, because even a thousand years ago people were remarking on how violent Islam and Muslims are.
Another famous Arab intellectual was Al-Ma'arri, who was an incredibly intelligent, rational, and witty man, who attacked Islam fiercly. He famously said, "Do not suppose the statements of the prophets to be true; they are all fabrications. Men lived comfortably till they came and spoiled life. The sacred books are only such a set of idle tales as any age could have and indeed did actually produce."
Evidently, religion had little to do with producing scientific progress in the Middle East during its golden age 1000 years ago. In fact it was the lack of it. If you wanna know why things are different today than they were back then, its because Islam is become less secularized, and put in power in various government, with various sharia laws commiting injustice and silencing all those who care to disagree with Islam, and also because religious clerics and mullahs enforce the rule that science should conform to religion, not the other way around. For this reason, many Muslims still refuse to accept evolution, heliocentrism, or even a round earth. This is the kind of influence Islam truly has.
If you took power away from Islam, made it a personal belief confined only to households with nothing to do with government, power, laws, and society, with people free to enter AND leave it as well as to criticize it, then you would see the Muslim world finally rise out of its terrible state.
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Feb 14, 2013
 
First Versus of QURAN - Instruction to Mankind 'LEARN'
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The first verse revealed was Surah Al-Alaq, which goes "Read in the thy Lord who created, created man from a clot. And read for you Lord is most generous, who taught by the pen, taught man what he did not know."
But of course the only learning that Islam wants is religious learning. When Muslims say that Islam promotes learning and such, it is almost always learning the Qur'an, Hadith, stories of the prophets, fiqh, shariah, and other Islamic topics.
That is why in Muslim countries you see such an abundance of priests and religious clerics, and few scientists, doctors, or engineers. Their society teaches that learning religion is the most important of all scholarly pursuits.
You are very ill informed - Muslims Don't believe in showing off .... I Met Thousands Scientists, Geologist, Mathematicians in Various Places around world --- Even South Pole has 1/3 rd Muslims of Whole Scientist Populations staying there

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Feb 14, 2013
 
The Bengal Tiger wrote:
Islam and Science
“Never judge a religion by its people, judge a religion by its scripture”
http://www.cometoislam.com/IslamandScience.ht...
please look at the link above!
or shall I copy and paste?
Nah I can't be ARSED!
LOL! Is this for real?

Take this one:
"The modern science has discovered the measured quantity in rain. They have estimated that in one second, approximately 16 million tons of water evaporates from the earth, i.e., 513 trillion tons of water in one year. This number is equal to the amount of rain that falls on the Earth in a year. This means that water constantly circulates in a balanced cycle, in a “measure”.

The rain keeps falling every year in exactly the same quantity as revealed in the Quran. This is yet another great miracle of the Quran and a “food for thought” for the non-Muslims."

Of course, the koran doesn't mention any quantity, so how that last part fits...?
Really, this must be some kind of satirical site.

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The Bengal Tiger wrote:
Evolution was an Islamic Theory Before Darwin was Even Born
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
please look at the whole of the U tube
I guess this explains why so few muslim countries teach the theory of evolution in school. After all...it is "an islamic theory". Can't have that, now, can we?

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mICHEAL wrote:
<quoted text>You are very ill informed - Muslims Don't believe in showing off .... I Met Thousands Scientists, Geologist, Mathematicians in Various Places around world --- Even South Pole has 1/3 rd Muslims of Whole Scientist Populations staying there
"Even South Pole" has hardly any muslim scientist staying there. My friend, a glaciologist, who has been on the South Pole ("scary stuff, Marco"), hasn't seen any at all there.

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Marco the atheist wrote:
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I guess this explains why so few muslim countries teach the theory of evolution in school. After all...it is "an islamic theory". Can't have that, now, can we?
did you actually watch the whole of you tube you Blind Koala!

there is an article where it says mohamadan theology at the end, it states no where in the Koran there is humans,it states that the 1st humans are Prophets like the rest of our prophets! does not mention humans!

it also states that the christians at the time had an influence on the mindset of muslims!

this theology was from a Muslim Scholar which Darwin nicked, fuking read you blind shit!

the Quaran always stated that the world was Oval!

you don't get that in the Bible or the Torah!

you get the quotes "Four corner's of the world"

which states the world was flat

But the Quaran never stated this!

READ YOU ILLITERATE SHIT!

If you don't wana read and look at the proof's, its fine with me, I've met ignoramuses like you,no point educating you wankers,no matter how much proof I give to you wankers you are not going to acknowledge it!
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The Bengal Tiger wrote:
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did you actually watch the whole of you tube you Blind Koala!
there is an article where it says mohamadan theology at the end, it states no where in the Koran there is humans,it states that the 1st humans are Prophets like the rest of our prophets! does not mention humans!
it also states that the christians at the time had an influence on the mindset of muslims!
this theology was from a Muslim Scholar which Darwin nicked, fuking read you blind shit!
the Quaran always stated that the world was Oval!
you don't get that in the Bible or the Torah!
you get the quotes "Four corner's of the world"
which states the world was flat
But the Quaran never stated this!
READ YOU ILLITERATE SHIT!
If you don't wana read and look at the proof's, its fine with me, I've met ignoramuses like you,no point educating you wankers,no matter how much proof I give to you wankers you are not going to acknowledge it!
Why do you always get so abusive and angry with people who won't bow down and delude themselves about your stupid, ridiculous, evil religion?

Intelligent people are never going to buy it, you silly paedophile worshipping cow.

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Feb 14, 2013
 
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Why do you always get so abusive and angry with people who won't bow down and delude themselves about your stupid, ridiculous, evil religion?
Intelligent people are never going to buy it, you silly paedophile worshipping cow.
PLEASE WILL YOU NOT REFLECT YOUR COW PISS WORSHIPING PERSONALITY ON TO ME!

BLOODY NEANDERTHAL!

NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME PROOF!

CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME SOME EVIDENCE FROM YOUR HOLLY BOOK ABOUT SCIENCE?

2nd thought I can't be arsed to see it, like I said before no matter what you people are blind!

Even though the proof is in front of you neanderthals!

So there is no point educating you neaderthals!

please carry on nourishing your egos for hating Muslims.
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PLEASE WILL YOU NOT REFLECT YOUR COW PISS WORSHIPING PERSONALITY ON TO ME!
BLOODY NEANDERTHAL!
NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME PROOF!
CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME SOME EVIDENCE FROM YOUR HOLLY BOOK ABOUT SCIENCE?
2nd thought I can't be arsed to see it, like I said before no matter what you people are blind!
Even though the proof is in front of you neanderthals!
So there is no point educating you neaderthals!
please carry on nourishing your egos for hating Muslims.
I don't have a holy book, because I'm not a superstitious monkey like you.

Grow up and join the modern world, you dark age bitch.
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Feb 15, 2013
 
The Bengal Tiger wrote:
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did you actually watch the whole of you tube you Blind Koala!
there is an article where it says mohamadan theology at the end, it states no where in the Koran there is humans,it states that the 1st humans are Prophets like the rest of our prophets! does not mention humans!
it also states that the christians at the time had an influence on the mindset of muslims!
this theology was from a Muslim Scholar which Darwin nicked, fuking read you blind shit!
the Quaran always stated that the world was Oval!
you don't get that in the Bible or the Torah!
you get the quotes "Four corner's of the world"
which states the world was flat
But the Quaran never stated this!
READ YOU ILLITERATE SHIT!
If you don't wana read and look at the proof's, its fine with me, I've met ignoramuses like you,no point educating you wankers,no matter how much proof I give to you wankers you are not going to acknowledge it!
I watched your video, interesting points you make about it, but I'm guessing you haven't had much formal education in science.

Darwin was not the first to propose evolution, neither was Ibn Khaldun. Even Aristotle's Scala Naturae could be taken as a precusor to the modern evolutionary thought. Other scientits like Lemarque also proposed a theory of evolution before Darwin. So the fact that Ibn Khaldun came up with a version of it (which is rather commendable of him I'd say at least), it does not make it an Islamic theory because he was not the first.

The thing about Darwin is that he was the first to get the right MECHANISM to explain evolution, ie. descent by modification through natural selection. The whole theory of evolution is not called a theory because it tries to prove the idea of evolution, but because it tries to find a mechanism to explain it.

Also the Qur'an did not mention the earth was oval shaped. I'm guessing this assertion was ripped straight from Zakir Naik (that idiot pseudo-"scholar"). His claims that the Qur'an has a verse saying that the earth is egg-shaped is ridiculous. He purposefully mistranslated the word used in the verse, no other qur'an tafseer or translation uses it. In fact here is a whole list of Qur'anic verses that support the earth is flat: http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_...

Moreover, Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia until 1999 (meaning he was the supreme authority on religion), also stated that the Qur'an says that the earth is flat not rount, and even declared a fatwa that the Qur'an states that the sun revolves around the Earth and that anyone who disagreed was a kafir and infidel.

Please, the more you get educated in science, the more you'll realize your arguments have no basis.

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@ Ex muslim

Creation and Evolution in the Holy Qur'an
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20Editoria...

Then can you explain this?

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If you also bothered to read the comments on evolution below the U tube clip then you would also have found the answer.
So I'm copying and pasting.

Richard Dawkins exposed by his own words. Evolution doesn't mean there is no God or a less creative God but exactly the opposite. In fact, evolution was an Islamic theory before Darwin was even born. I have indisputable proof.

A Message to Atheists:
Evolution theory and natural selection was the work of many scientists and philosophers. However, Muslim scientists contributed a lot to it and they didn't believe many myths from Greek philosophers like Aristotle who believed in spontaneous generation of life for example.
I'm a Muslim who strongly believes in evolution but NOT in blind random mutations and chance, random mutation, natural selection and chance alone CANNOT make such a wonderful tree of life. Life in this universe is guided same as the universe itself is guided by laws that we can't comprehend. If you think blind random mutations and chance can bring sophisticated life answer the Quranic challenge in my other video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch... ...

If you still want to attribute evolution to the Greeks please send me a link with advanced knowledge like Muslim scientists had not just the vague ideas Greeks had about evolution, if you disagree ask John William Draper to change the name of evolution his book :)

How Muslim scientists concluded evolution from the Quran? Please read my message to Muslims and the article linked in it.

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A Message To Muslims:
-Eve from Adam's rib: Most of the ideas that contradict evolution among Muslims are from the myths of other religions which were imported to Islam and attributed falsely to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Our father Adam (peace be upon him) was preferred or chosen over other people of his time as Allah stated clearly in Quran 3:33-34, just like Allah chose any prophet after him also Quran stated in these verses that all were "offspring", Adam was included and Allah is never short of words.
-Creation of Adam in Heaven: There is no such thing in the Quran, Adam was reworded to stay in Heaven with his wife AFTER he won the contest against the angels (the naming of creatures) as Quran stated clearly in 2:35 and 7:19. When Adam disobeyed Allah and ate from the tree him and his wife were sent back to Earth.
-Why Adam disobeyed Allah? Because Allah didn't promise Adam to be immortal in Heaven, Adam was growing older and Satan promised him that if he ate from the immortality tree then he will not grow older. Quran: 20:120 and 7:20
-Creation of Adam from dust: We are all created from dust, just like our father Adam. Quran 18:37, Quran 30:20, Quran 35:11, Quran 40:67.
-Adam was created suddenly: Just This verse is enough to refute such claim and there are many others Quran 7:11: And We created you (humans, in plural form), then fashioned you (made you in the image you are, also addressing humans in plural form), then said to the angels: Prostrate to Adam!
-How can Adam be our father if there were many humans?: The children of the smart man that Allah chose were the most fit to survive to our days (survival of the fittest), there are many other human species which we found their fossils only and they didn't make it to our time.
-How Adam children got married? If Adam and Eve were the only humans then the only answer is that brothers married their sisters, do you accept such answer? Of course there were other humans and Adam children married them.
-Allah is NOT a wizard, He does NOT pull new stars and new galaxies from a magic hat and certainly He doesn't do that for new species. Allah created and planned this universe on scientific laws; evolution is just one of them. Evolution means way more ingenious creator than a wizard who had to come to Earth and pull species one after another because he couldn't plan that from the beginning and you know very well that Allah is the best planner, evolution was part of the plan from the beginning of creation of this universe.
Please read the article linked here, don't be brainwashed by the myths of other religions. Thank you.

Click on the link below for more information about evolution in the Qur'an.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islamic%20 ...

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Richard Dawkins exposed by his own words. Evolution doesn't mean there is no God or a less creative God but exactly the opposite. In fact, evolution was an Islamic theory before Darwin was even born. I have indisputable proof.

A Message to Atheists:
Evolution theory and natural selection was the work of many scientists and philosophers. However, Muslim scientists contributed a lot to it and they didn't believe many myths from Greek philosophers like Aristotle who believed in spontaneous generation of life for example.
I'm a Muslim who strongly believes in evolution but NOT in blind random mutations and chance, random mutation, natural selection and chance alone CANNOT make such a wonderful tree of life. Life in this universe is guided same as the universe itself is guided by laws that we can't comprehend. If you think blind random mutations and chance can bring sophisticated life answer the Quranic challenge in my other video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch... ...

If you still want to attribute evolution to the Greeks please send me a link with advanced knowledge like Muslim scientists had not just the vague ideas Greeks had about evolution, if you disagree ask John William Draper to change the name of evolution his book :)

How Muslim scientists concluded evolution from the Quran? Please read my message to Muslims and the article linked in it
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And this is the bloke that cured cancer? Or was he just another d!ck?
Khan wrote:
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I am sorry to see you are in such a deep sense of denial.
Are you a neurotic hatemonger Hindu, Christian or Yiddish?
Here is an American who embraced Islam. If you have any guts, please read what he has to say:
MUHAMMAD ALEXANDER RUSSEL WEBB
(1846 - 1916)
Books and E-Books
On Muslim History and Civilization
The following is Muhammad Webb's account of his journey to Islam as reported in the abridged version of "Islam - Our Choice" published by Begum Aisha Bawani Wakf, Karachi, 1970.
I have been requested to tell you why I, an American, born in a country which is nominally Christian, and reared under the drippings, or more properly perhaps the driveling, of an orthodox Presbyterian pulpit, came to adopt the faith of Islam as my guide in life.
I might reply promptly and truthfully that I adopted this religion because I found, after protracted study, that it was the best and only system adapted to the spiritual needs of the humanity. And here let me say that I was not born as some boys seem to be, with a fervently religious strain in my character. When I reached the age of twenty, and became practically my own master, I was so tired of the restraint and dullness of the Church, that I wandered away from it and never returned to it...
Fortunately I was of an enquiring turn of mind - I wanted a reason for everything, and I found that neither laymen nor clergy could give me any rational explasm and monads (explanation of this faith), and yet not one of them could tell me what were mysterious or that they were beyond my comprehension.
About eleven years ago I became interested in the study of Oriental religions... I read Mill and Locke, Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Huxley, and many other more or less learned writers discoursing with a great show of wisdom concerning protoplasm and monads, and yet not one of them could tell me what the soul was or what became of it after death...
I have spoken so much of myself in order to show you that my adoption of Islam was not the result of misguided sentiment, blind credulity, or sudden emotional impulse, but it was born of earnest, honest, persistent, unprejudiced study and investigation and an intense desire to know the truth.
The essence of the true faith of Islam is resignation to the will of God [Allah] and its corner stone is prayer. It teaches universal fraternity, universal love, and universal benevolence, and requires purity of mind, purity of action, purity of speech and perfect physical cleanliness. It, beyond doubt, is the simplest and most elevating form of religion known to man.
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That'll take a while.
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