Islam and Science:Road to Renewal

Jan 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Free Republic

THE sleep has been long and deep. In 2005 Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined.

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Jan 31, 2013
 
Marco the atheist wrote:
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It's funny how muslims go all crazy when someone supposedly insults Mohammed...and then they go out and do it themselves!
This needs to be pointed out more, bravo Marco!

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Marco the atheist wrote:
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It's funny how muslims go all crazy when someone supposedly insults Mohammed...and then they go out and do it themselves! If there is one thing that does not make sense, it is the claim that Mohammed was an illiterate. If he was, why would he have been urging his followers to learn how to read and write? How could he have been involved in trading if he did not know how to read and write?
And finally, if you translate "ummy" or its variants to "illiterates", the koran is even more nonsensical than it already is. As pointed out by actual scientists, the koran refers to Mohammed and others as those who were not following an Abrahamic religion at that time.
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The idea that the koran describes the big bang theory is a very recent one. If the koran is so clear and so correct on its facts, why did it take a *christian* priest to propose the big bang theory, less than 100 years ago? The concept of the koran describing the big bang theory also requires a significant interpretation of the description.
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Perfectly?!? Again this requires a significant and rather "free" interpretation. In reality the koran just repeats what was already described hundreds of years earlier by Galen and those after him.
Sigh, religious zealots, their scripture and science...
Why are you sane all of the sudden?
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<quoted text>So what happened? You animals haven't advanced one inch in 1400 years. Meanwhile, we have walked on the Moon and have robots driving around on Mars.
And what did you do with the knowledge of Science?
You played blood sports with the Muslim countries.
When the B1 Bomber drops the bomb, the ear drums blow out.
You killed 600,000 innocent men, women and children in Iraq. And that also on the basis of your poor intelligence. Thousands of Orphans, widows and destitutes hate America.
You spent billions of Dollars on how to derieve maximu pleasure from sex.
You have made America a big pussyland. Only one good thing is that blow jobs are now just $5.00
60% Divorce rate. That means 60 % Homes are unhappy. No father at home. Mom's boyfriends are molesting the innocent children also.
No father at home means nobody can ask the kids "Did you do the Homework?"
50% Children born in America are out of edlock.
Guns are killing innocent people.
The Media is controlled by the Jewish lobby.
Homeless people looking for shelter on every corner of the bloc.
Need I say more?

Let God take care of you war monger sex meniac people.
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And what did you do with the knowledge of Science?
You played blood sports with the Muslim countries.
When the B1 Bomber drops the bomb, the ear drums blow out.
You killed 600,000 innocent men, women and children in Iraq. And that also on the basis of your poor intelligence. Thousands of Orphans, widows and destitutes hate America.
You spent billions of Dollars on how to derieve maximu pleasure from sex.
You have made America a big pussyland. Only one good thing is that blow jobs are now just $5.00
60% Divorce rate. That means 60 % Homes are unhappy. No father at home. Mom's boyfriends are molesting the innocent children also.
No father at home means nobody can ask the kids "Did you do the Homework?"
50% Children born in America are out of edlock.
Guns are killing innocent people.
The Media is controlled by the Jewish lobby.
Homeless people looking for shelter on every corner of the bloc.
Need I say more?
Let God take care of you war monger sex meniac people.
Gee, sullah, you sound bitter. LOL!
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blow jobs are now just $5.00
Don't sell yourself short.
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We have suicide bombers driving / flying around the world !!
We have in America, gun totting lunatics killing 8 year old innocent children.
Look into your own backyard before you eaxmine others.
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Faith wrote:
<quoted text>So what happened? You animals haven't advanced one inch in 1400 years. Meanwhile, we have walked on the Moon and have robots driving around on Mars.
The world is controlled today by the evil Anglo-American power which cannot tolerate anybody surpassing them. It is called the "World Order". They want to remain as the International Policeman of the world and they themselves are the worst terrorists and violators of basic Human Rights.

Most Asia and Africa remained in darkness as the English colonialists kept a grip on the economic resources of those poor countries. In India the Colonialist built a rail road system, but the stockholders ere all Englishmen to whom the profits went.
When the Sultan Pasha of Turkey came to visit England, the expenses were paid through the Treasury of India.
Everybody knos how the gringos the White tribe of America enslaved the Black people and how they made treaty after treaty with the Red Indians and kept taking away their country.

Let us say it like it is. Oh yeah we have Freedom of Speech. But, they can always roll over a 18 wheeler on anybody and make it look like an accident. They sprayed Agent Orange on its own citizens.

Do you know why the sun never set on the British Empire?
Because God never trusted an Englishman in the dark.

Pakistan today has the much more advaced Nuclear eapons than India. Pakistan is prepared to defend itself.
As soon as the American appointed agents leave the power, the Muslim world will unite with one currency, one strong army and one united foreign policy. We shall spread education and build advanced technology and then talk to the USA.
We want Friends not Masters.
We know God is with us.
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"At the heart of the matter is Mr. Capra's methodology his use of what seem to me to be accidental similarities of language as if these were somehow evidence of deeply rooted connections.
Thus I agree with Capra when he writes, "Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science but man needs both." What no one needs, in my opinion, is this superficial and profoundly misleading book."
- Jeremy Bernstein
"The Tao of Physics was completed in December 1974, and the implications of the November Revolution one month earlier that led to the dramatic confirmations of the standard-model quantum field theory clearly had not sunk in for Capra (like many others at that time). What is harder to understand is that the book has now gone through several editions, and in each of them Capra has left intact the now out-of-date physics, including new forewords and afterwords that with a straight face deny what has happened. The foreword to the second edition of 1983 claims, "It has been very gratifying for me that none of these recent developments has invalidated anything I wrote seven years ago. In fact, most of them were anticipated in the original edition," a statement far from any relation to the reality that in 1983 the standard model was nearly universally accepted in the physics community, and the bootstrap theory was a dead idea ... Even now, Capra's book, with its nutty denials of what has happened in particle theory, can be found selling well at every major bookstore. It has been joined by some other books on the same topic, most notably Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu-Li Masters. The bootstrap philosophy, despite its complete failure as a physical theory, lives on as part of an embarrassing New Age cult, with its followers refusing to acknowledge what has happened."
- Peter Woit, 2006
My friend,
There are a million of things in this Universe, which are beyond scientific explanations. Think about it.
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Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, sullah, you sound bitter. LOL!
Reality hurts very deep. Why do you guys turn a blind eye when it comes to self-examination?
Take some pain relief medicationto.
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Both islam and christianity are false but islam is evil.algebra and zero was invented in india by hindus.vedas of hindus are most ancient and scientific.ayurveda is a herbal system of medicine

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Reality hurts very deep. Why do you guys turn a blind eye when it comes to self-examination?
Take some pain relief medicationto.
That's the problem with having the worlds highest addiction rate to painkillers and prescription drugs (the USA).
Many live in a drug induced haze to kill the pain of living in a failing society called the USA.

Mother Theresa was right in not using painkillers in any of her hospices.

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Both islam and christianity are false but islam is evil.algebra and zero was invented in india by hindus.vedas of hindus are most ancient and scientific.ayurveda is a herbal system of medicine
wonder why its AL - gebra like Al jabr

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<quoted text>So what happened? You animals haven't advanced one inch in 1400 years. Meanwhile, we have walked on the Moon and have robots driving around on Mars.
and thats advancement you are talking about.

you people didnt even know how to walk on earth,guess what? you call yourself civilized and culturally growing while your dress degrading.

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and thats advancement you are talking about.
you people didnt even know how to walk on earth,guess what? you call yourself civilized and culturally growing while your dress degrading.
They are the Devils children.
Where is the majority of child and adult pornography manufactured;
"Made in the USA".

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They are the Devils children.
Where is the majority of child and adult pornography manufactured;
"Made in the USA".
know what

USA tried to ban the alcohol in 20th century, with all that money and force and power. it just failed.

but 1400 yrs before - one man one word , alcohol haram(prohibited) thats its nothing more said , people poured their jug on the street and vomited whats in their belly. and alcohol river flowed by the street.

that's leader ship- thats Muhammed (SAW). until now the ban is a ban in our religion.

THINK ABOUT ADVANCEMENT NOW.. WE DONT CARE IF THEY ARE MOON WALKER.

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know what
USA tried to ban the alcohol in 20th century, with all that money and force and power. it just failed.
but 1400 yrs before - one man one word , alcohol haram(prohibited) thats its nothing more said , people poured their jug on the street and vomited whats in their belly. and alcohol river flowed by the street.
that's leader ship- thats Muhammed (SAW). until now the ban is a ban in our religion.
THINK ABOUT ADVANCEMENT NOW.. WE DONT CARE IF THEY ARE MOON WALKER.
That crazy American Michael Jackson was also a moon walker.
He was so disullusioned by his decadent society that he helped mould, that he committed suicide with assistance from his doctor.
He had married his zoo animals and was being investigated for child sex abuse.
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Marco the atheist wrote:
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"At the heart of the matter is Mr. Capra's methodology his use of what seem to me to be accidental similarities of language as if these were somehow evidence of deeply rooted connections.
Thus I agree with Capra when he writes, "Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science but man needs both." What no one needs, in my opinion, is this superficial and profoundly misleading book."
- Jeremy Bernstein
"The Tao of Physics was completed in December 1974, and the implications of the November Revolution one month earlier that led to the dramatic confirmations of the standard-model quantum field theory clearly had not sunk in for Capra (like many others at that time). What is harder to understand is that the book has now gone through several editions, and in each of them Capra has left intact the now out-of-date physics, including new forewords and afterwords that with a straight face deny what has happened. The foreword to the second edition of 1983 claims, "It has been very gratifying for me that none of these recent developments has invalidated anything I wrote seven years ago. In fact, most of them were anticipated in the original edition," a statement far from any relation to the reality that in 1983 the standard model was nearly universally accepted in the physics community, and the bootstrap theory was a dead idea ... Even now, Capra's book, with its nutty denials of what has happened in particle theory, can be found selling well at every major bookstore. It has been joined by some other books on the same topic, most notably Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu-Li Masters. The bootstrap philosophy, despite its complete failure as a physical theory, lives on as part of an embarrassing New Age cult, with its followers refusing to acknowledge what has happened."
- Peter Woit, 2006
It is not important whether Capra got his facts right or not. He was comparing the connectivity of modern physics with eastern mystical religions.
In physics a sub atomic particle is able to communicate with another sub atomic particle over millions of miles simultaneously. This defies Einsteons theory of relativity which says nothing can move faster then the speed of light. Physics is about making claims that can be tested and verified. Two paticles communicating instantaneously over millions of miles demonstrates the mystery and the oneness of the universe. light. If that is not mystical I do not know what is.
Nobody is saying that eastern mysticism has the answers. Physics does not claim to have all answers. Only bigotted religions like Islam claim to have all the answers.

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<quoted text>Why are you sane all of the sudden?
I'm always sane, but you confuse sanity with "a person criticizing islam". Therefore, when I point you to the fact that religions all do the same thing (taking over other religions' holy places), you get upset because for you whatever muslims do is ten times worse than what any other religions do.

Of course, those who know me know I'm not saying anything new here; I've been pointing religious zealots to their flawed understanding of science and questionable interpretation of their own scriptures for years (on this same forum, for example, check the Dr Zakir Naik invites Pope Benedict XVI for open interfaith dialogue thread: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TDH... )

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Khan wrote:
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My friend,
There are a million of things in this Universe, which are beyond scientific explanations. Think about it.
The problem is not that I do not think about it, the problem is that we have religious zealots that immediately cry "SEE! GOD!" whenever something is not explained...only to get disappointed when some time later it *is* explained by science. Upon which religious zealots take the next example.

You mistake the absence of an explanation with the confirmation of your own hypothesis.

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Jan wrote:
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It is not important whether Capra got his facts right or not. He was comparing the connectivity of modern physics with eastern mystical religions.
Not quite. He used it to claim further support for his ideas, which soon after really had become untenable. Upon which he claimed they were further confirmed...
Jan wrote:
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In physics a sub atomic particle is able to communicate with another sub atomic particle over millions of miles simultaneously.
Yes, this is quantum entanglement.
Jan wrote:
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This defies Einsteons theory of relativity which says nothing can move faster then the speed of light.
Look up "EPR paradox" and what happened with that. Yes, it violates the theory of relativity, but it doesn't violate quantum mechanics.
Jan wrote:
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Physics is about making claims that can be tested and verified. Two paticles communicating instantaneously over millions of miles demonstrates the mystery and the oneness of the universe. light. If that is not mystical I do not know what is.
The problem is viewing quantum entanglement in the framework of the theory of relativity. There is no need for the exchange of "light" in quantum entanglement. It is an inherent property of the system.

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