Professor to Atheists: 'Stop Whining'

Professor to Atheists: 'Stop Whining'

There are 13 comments on the Sojourners story from Sep 17, 2012, titled Professor to Atheists: 'Stop Whining'. In it, Sojourners reports that:

"American atheist movements, though fancying themselves a lion, are more like the gimpy little zebra crossing the river full of crocs," he writes in How to Be Secular: A Call to Arms for Religious Freedom .

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Sojourners.

The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#1 Sep 17, 2012
Hark! Is that Skippy the 'Skeptic' I hear calling Rent-A-Hitman???

Flower Mound, TX

#2 Sep 17, 2012
Professor Bullwinkle has never lived in the glorious American Bible Belt. How does one distinguish "moderate" from "bat-shit-two-sandwiches- short-of-a-picnic-and-crazier- than-an-acre-of-snakes"? I work in a school environment where "moderates" bake brownies, join Upward Basketball, volunteer for after school tutorials and spearhead car wash fundraisers for the local football team. Yet, they truly believe that a rashy Hebrew deity spoke to George Washington at Valley Forge (see David Barton's American history)and that the bible is the unedited Word of the Lord. Where is the line that separates the tepid "moderate" from those who obey, sacrifice and submit to the will of their god as prescribed in their foundational texts? Can the line shift, shake and rattle and roll? Is "moderate" a stable category? How does a "moderate" not fall into the mad, maudlin and medicated world of our "moral" majority? I dunno. Is a moderate someone like Barry Lynn of the ACLU who is a reverend but believes in a radical separation of church/state? Professor Bullwinkle would do well to study the greasy shambles of "moderate" Christianity...The growth is in the creepy megachurches, Pentecostals and Mormons...I'm just sayin'. Professor Bullwinkle: May the moderate force be with you...You may now sit down to a curdled slice of Kumbaya pie with the moderate Episcopal Church...all five of them...

Hamilton, UK

#3 Sep 18, 2012
Prof Jacques Berlinerblau reminds me of Mohammed Ali. That brilliant boxer (possibly the best ever) infuriated the whole of the UK when he shouted, "I am the greatest" and other outrageously immodest slogans. As he later explained, he saw someone do that and 'sales' went up many-fold. He is now one of the best loved and most highly respected USAmericans in the UK. Perhaps this professor has learned the same lesson - one doesn't make money by talking perfect sense. One must say something outrageous, inflamatory and preferably something that even a fool can sensibly contradict.

Lowell, MA

#4 Sep 18, 2012
Religious moderates are NOT the allies of non-believers. Religious moderates may not be fundamentalists, but their existence facilitates fundamentalism by providing it with socially acceptable cover. Religious 'moderates' and religious 'fundamentalists' are not distinguishable because the moderates believe different things than the fundamentalists. They are different because the fundamentalists really believe things the moderates only pay lip service to believing. The existence of a community of people who kinda, sorta believe something is the soil in which a smaller community of people who take the same beliefs deadly serious will grow.

Thinking 'moderate christians' are allies of unbelievers is thus a serious mistake. The 'moderates' who soften their beliefs in the more ridiculous aspects of their religion are simply apologists for those who take those beliefs literally.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08


#5 Sep 19, 2012
"[Atheists] fail to recognize that mocking religious people in public is entirely inimical to the goals they wish to achieve."

This man is a concern troll, which Wiki defines as, "Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share its goals while deliberately working against those goals, typically, by claiming "concern" about group plans to engage in productive activity, urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the group's credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects entirely."

There he was warning us not to insult the Christians, right along with this comment:

"American atheist movements, though fancying themselves a lion, are more like the gimpy little zebra crossing the river full of crocs"

The article reports that this man calls himself an atheist as well as a secularist, but I don't buy that.

"My guess is a good chunk of so-called nonbelievers are not haters, not radical anti-theists, and their worldview is characterized by tolerance towards nonbelief," he said."

Oh, look! He's suggesting how I - a "so-called nonbelievers" - should feel. His message seems to be that opposition to religion makes one a "hater" and a "radical anti-theist."

This language is old. It's the same language used by the American conservatives in the nineties, who made "radical" and "extreme" prefixes for liberal. You seldom saw the word liberal not preceded by one of those adjectives. And the purpose was to frame liberalism as radical and extreme, just as the professor is attempting to do here.

Bad news, professor. This religion can't die fast enough for me, and your words just fanned the fire of my contempt for it.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#6 Sep 23, 2012
Hmmm godbot blog. Wtf ever.

Hamilton, UK

#7 Sep 24, 2012
Sometimes we all need to be told 'where to get off', but far from atheists stopping their "whining", perhaps we all (atheists and religionists) need to speak-up more vigorously for freedom of speech and expression?..
And for keeping religion out of politics and education which should be strictly secular (i.e. inclusive of all).

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12


#8 Sep 29, 2012
Moderate is another word for enabler.
I Am No One

Ashfield, Australia

#9 Sep 30, 2012
KittenKoder is another word for sh1t wringed weasel and dripping bag of uterus cancer medical waste

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#10 Sep 30, 2012
The Dude wrote:
Hark! Is that Skippy the 'Skeptic' I hear calling Rent-A-Hitman???
haha, I don't get it, liar with no evidence that "god is possible".

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#11 Sep 30, 2012
God is fiction as any reasonable person knows.

Lowell, MA

#12 Oct 4, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
God is fiction as any reasonable person knows.
Unfortunately, confining religion to the 'unreasonable' among us still gives them a vast domain.

Since: Mar 11

Latonia, KY

#13 Oct 4, 2012
It will take time for our society as a whole to move past the superstitious destructive ways. I am an optimist though that slowly we will.
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, confining religion to the 'unreasonable' among us still gives them a vast domain.

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