Is The Nation of Islam a Racist Cult? Professor Esposito Says Yes.

Aug 15, 2008 Full story: www.sullivan-county.com 937

Quoting Huma Ahmad at www.jannah.org,

"(Islam and) the so called "Nation of Islam'" are two different religions. NOI is more of a political organization...Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain...The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis Farrakhan...For example, Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was the original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of God...the 'Nation's teachings have little to do with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims...In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam..." Read more
Sojourner

Huntington Park, CA

#25 Aug 16, 2008
g Huma Ahmad at www.jannah.org ,
"(Islam and) the so called "Nation of Islam'" are two different religions. NOI is more of a political organization...Muslims consider this group to be just one of many cults using the name of Islam for their own gain...The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator, Louis Farrakhan...For example, Farakhan followers believe in racism and that the 'black man' was the original man and therefore superior, while in Islam there is no racism and everyone is considered equal in the sight of God...the 'Nation's teachings have little to do with true Islam. There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims...In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them. An honest attitude on the part of such cults should be not to call themselves Muslims and their religion Islam..."
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Curious article. but failing the ever popular Zenn Diagram Test.(Statistics 101)) This article works out to be one more vicious, not well thought out attack on African Americans in general disguised as an attack on Farrakhan. Hence, the sloppy handling of distinct population groupings. The slop spills over with the errant over-reach:

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There are many groups in America who claim to represent Islam and call their adherents Muslims...In America there are many pseudo-Islamic cults, Farrakhanism being one of them
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What is the issue:
1. When analyzing a group that represents a distinct minority of a population that comprises less than 15% of the total: a caution is most necessary--first and foremost this author should initially point out the relative insignificance of Islam as a numerical total of the Black population.
2. Islam--as it is practiced in the Black community-- should not, indeed it can not, be divorced from the history of slavery, Jim Crow and present day racism on the part of the dominant groups in the United States. The oppressed should never be measured by the same yardstick as the oppressor.
3. Religion, especially in the Black Community, is most certainly the opiate of the people. So long as the Black church ignores the inequities in this society, there are few problems, but the moment that Reverend Wright or louis Farrakhan complains they are branded racist.

This is not to excuse Farrakhan's excesses, it is to say that Farrakhan and his followers should be viewed objectively and not through a racist lens.

“Real Black Men Speak English”

Since: May 07

Bmore

#26 Aug 16, 2008
watitdos little cousin wrote:
Before any Black person in America can intelligently talk about "accomplishments," by, of, and for Black people, that person -- be he Muslim or not -- must look at the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, The Messenger of Allah.
http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/MessengerHistor...
We've looked at his nonsense.

a black scientist created white people
God was here in the 30's and a jailbird
The mother ship Baby bubba

LMBAO

“DON"T TOUCH MY JUNK !”

Since: Jun 08

Gulf Coast

#27 Aug 16, 2008
Muslim apologists should read what they believe in.I included a few lines here.Tell me what that means? How does an illiterate Muslim interpret this?

No liberal he,he believes in an inherent violence which is his world.

A world of cruelty,and treating women like cattle. Beheadings,killing innocents,and more.

Enough of this loony rationalism of hate ,racisum,and extreme violence.

"Best Those Apologists rember 9/11,or have many have forgotten.

These racists terrorists will remind us again,you can count on that..

Bukhari:V4B52N220“Allah’s Apostle

said,‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Qur’an:8:12“I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:57“If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:326“If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
Qur’an:8:67“It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
Ishaq:588“When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Tabari IX:42“We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”
Ishaq:326“Allah said,‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said,‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”
Ishaq:327“Allah said,‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Sojourner

Huntington Park, CA

#28 Aug 16, 2008
Israel1948 wrote:
ISLAM: Record Holder of Genocide
Islam has the world's record of genocide. Its victims, over more than 1,350 years, number in the hundreds of millions, many more than the victims of the Holocaust and World Communism combined. Muslim genocide is still ongoing in the Sudan, Ivory Cost. Mauritania, Somalia, the Philippines, Indonesia, and, to a lesser extent in other Muslim countries.
"ed the Muslims to terrorize the world until Islam rules supreme (Quran 3:85, 5:3, 5:33). Qur'an exhorts the Muslims to keep fighting (with swords, not spiritually) until they perfect the world through Islamic purification and domination (Qur'an 9:5, 9:29, and 9:33). In
reality, it means imposing on the non-Muslims (or the non-Arabs) the Arabic and Bedouin culture (also known as Islam) by force, murder and terrorism.
We must recognize that the real enemy is not the terrorists. Rather, it is Islam.
"Christians believe that "love conquers all." Well, love does not conquer Islam." - Bill Warner
"Just as cancer cannot be reformed... Islam can't be reformed either and it must be eradicated for the world to be saved." - Ali Sina
"The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law...In an Islamic state, there is in principle no law other than the shar'ia, the Holy Law of Islam...The idea that any group of persons, any kind of activities, or any part of human life is in any sense outside the scope of religious law and jurisdiction is alien to Muslim thought." - Bernard Lewis
"Apologizing to the Muslims for the Crusades is a complete betrayal to the Crusaders who sacrificed their lives to stop Muslim invasion." - Galadriel (anonymous evangelical Christian)
When a past President of the United States of America accuses Israel of Apartheid against Muslims and Christians, I'm somewhat surprised to read a rant by someone named "Israel" on the subject of "Genocide." Maybe cleaning up one's own house would be the appropriate response.
...
I have, thanks to a member of this forum, read a number of accounts regarding Muslim (not NOI) attacks in India. I am reminded of the"God's Country" attacks by Europeans against Native Americans or the theft of Arab lands by Israel.(documented by Jimmy Carter)
...
In any case, the jihads in India shouldn't slop over to current problems affecting Blacks in the United States.(another population confronted with apartheid and threatened with genocide.
...
For those interested, here is the most objective account of the Indu-Hindu conflict that I could find on the net.
Sojourner

Huntington Park, CA

#29 Aug 16, 2008
BEAN51 wrote:
Muslim apologists should read what they believe in.I included a few lines here.Tell me what that means? How does an illiterate Muslim interpret this?
No liberal he,he believes in an inherent violence which is his world.
A world of cruelty,and treating women like cattle. Beheadings,killing innocents,and more.
Enough of this loony rationalism of hate ,racisum,and extreme violence.
"Best Those Apologists rember 9/11,or have many have forgotten.
These racists terrorists will remind us again,you can count on that..
Bukhari:V4B52N220“Allah’s Apostle
said,‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Qur’an:8:12“I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:57“If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:326“If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
Qur’an:8:67“It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
Ishaq:588“When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Tabari IX:42“We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”
Ishaq:326“Allah said,‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said,‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”
Ishaq:327“Allah said,‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
May I suggest that you read the Old Testament before writing another line against Islam. Afterwards, you might read a book or two on the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I won't mention the Japanese concentration camps, or the Philippines, or Katanga Province in the Belgian Congo or Sharpsville in South Africa, or the Banana Revolt in Guatemala, etc., etc. etc. etc. Next, delve into the extermination of the Native Americans and the despoiling of their food supply, along with sending the blankets infected with small pox. If that doesn't do it, stick around, I can tell you a few things about slavery and Jim Crow.

“Israel uses Jim Crow Terrorism”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#32 Aug 16, 2008
A Racist Cult. Why my brotha, let us ask the Honorable Elijah Muhummad...
Guachin

Argentina

#33 Aug 16, 2008
It is. Yes.
James Shortz

Beach Haven, NJ

#34 Aug 16, 2008
b hussein osamabama / lou farrakhan = 2008 !

“I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE FIRST!”

Since: Apr 07

25,000 Gee

#35 Aug 16, 2008
east-african beauty wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious?? Allah said the last messenger and prophet was Muhammad, no more would come after him.
show me that in the Holy Quran
Freak tard from the USA

Berlin, Germany

#36 Aug 16, 2008
east-african beauty wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious?? Allah said the last messenger and prophet was Muhammad, no more would come after him.
Muhammad was a transvestite and a terrorist.

“I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE FIRST!”

Since: Apr 07

25,000 Gee

#37 Aug 16, 2008
Kennyinbmore wrote:
<quoted text>
We've looked at his nonsense.
a black scientist created white people
God was here in the 30's and a jailbird
The mother ship Baby bubba
LMBAO
nonsense?

you don't even believe in a god.

so how can you offer some valid points about this subject?

“I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE FIRST!”

Since: Apr 07

25,000 Gee

#38 Aug 16, 2008

“I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE FIRST!”

Since: Apr 07

25,000 Gee

#39 Aug 16, 2008

“I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE FIRST!”

Since: Apr 07

25,000 Gee

#40 Aug 16, 2008
Devin

Newport News, VA

#41 Aug 16, 2008
Compare the politics of the NOI with those of Jerry Farwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham and a few others.

He's not in the position to cause any harm such as jessie helm, Strom Thurmond and trent lott, who where segregationist sitting in congress.

His attitude towards america and the segregationist making and trying to repeal laws was no diffrent than the segregationist who sat in the U.S Congress attempting to roll back the Civil Rights Acts, and have over turned Brown vs the Board, and exclude Black Americans from full participation and the protections of the America Constitution.
Sojourner

Englewood, CO

#42 Aug 16, 2008
When introduced to the fire of truth, cowards run. As I said at the outset, this was an attack on Blacks, in general, posted against Farakhan, in particular.
...
Blacks need to be, everywhere, vigilant. EVERYWHERE 24/7

“If you live to love you will..”

Since: Dec 07

love to live ((South London))

#43 Aug 16, 2008
watitdos little cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
show me that in the Holy Quran
"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the prophets. And God is ever Knower of all things." - Qur'an: "The Allies", verse 40.

It is basic knowledge in Islam to know that the last prophet and messenger of Allah was Muhammad (pbuh)

"The belief that the Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet and messenger of God therefore means that after him there will not arise any person who will be authorized by God to express his will for others and/or institute a new religious direction by a new expression of the religious truth and forming a religious community around that expression. Any person claiming to have such authority is suffering from self-deception and/or is lying, no matter how smart he may be or how many miraculous deeds he may perform."
southern

Springhill, LA

#44 Aug 16, 2008
watitdos little cousin wrote:
Before any Black person in America can intelligently talk about "accomplishments," by, of, and for Black people, that person -- be he Muslim or not -- must look at the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, The Messenger of Allah.
http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/MessengerHistor...
Dear whatadoodoo,
You have avoided the point. Your "religion" is considered apostate to real Muslims. This means to the one billion Muslims in the world you are headed to hell. I have told you again and again that a trip to Mecca would open your eyes as it did Malcom X. In addition it would cover one of the Pillars of Islam. I hope you know that these pillars are your only hope according to the true Islam. Bury your head in the smog of LA and hate on or go to Mecca and seek salvation as billions of Muslims have done long before black slavery or Jim Crow. This is much more useful than another night in the pumpkin patch.
southern

Springhill, LA

#45 Aug 16, 2008
watitdos little cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
show me that in the Holy Quran
Why should we show you anything from the Koran. You selectivly follow the Koran. The Koran says to get to heaven you must go to Mecca. You refuse to go because your cult(NOI) forbids it. Why? because if you had the courage you would find that there are white, brown, yellow, black, red, and mixed Muslims who go there to be brothers in Islam. This is what got Malcom X killed. He returned from there and refuted the crap you and yours teach. Islam transcends race. What a laugh you lean on the Koran when it suits you. This makes you as bankrupt as any religious follower who picks and chooses what the want to follow. Go sell some final calls Louis needs a new Rolls Royce.

“Run Toto run!”

Since: Jul 08

Topeka, KS

#46 Aug 16, 2008
Blaqsage wrote:
An attack on the Nation of Islam, is that convenient. The NOI is not the cause it is the affect. Why would any Black man attack an institution that promotes so many positive things with in the Black community?
There are many whites who are beginning to listen to and even though the right guidance of the NOI.
What a COWARD a Black man would have to be to attack one of the strongest voices that stood for the hurt, pain and despair Black people have suffered in America.
Now that thing are a little better how easy it is to look down at the Black Panthers, the NOI and other organizations who would not tolerate the ill treatment inflicted on Black and oppressed people.
NOI racist - Read the history of America and say that with a straight face. There is no history of violence, no lynching white men, no abusing white women, no desecrating Jewish temples, just the demand for Freedom, Justice and Equality and calling a spade a spade.
What a COWARD a Black man must be to side with the oppressor.
And as far as the Orthodox community of Muslims, the ones who sell Black people pork, the ones who sleep with poor Black women, the ones who see the condition of the Black community and have not lifted a hand to help in anyway. To HELL with the Cowardly Blacks and the Hypocrites.
Until our condition is justified and equal to everyone else on the planet, thank Allah for Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons, Malik Zulu Shabazz and all the other unnamed Freedom Fighters and to Hell with the COWARD!
Go take that to the enemy, I'm sure he is waiting for your report.
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