Retired bishop challenges tradition

Mar 21, 2010 Full story: www.dailyrecord.com 54

MORRISTOWN - A downpour didn't stop 200 people from gathering at St. Peter's Episcopal Church last Saturday to hear retired Bishop John Shelby Spong talk about a new and emerging understanding of God - and the afterlife - that encompasses the last 500 years of scientific thought.

"Theism is a human definition of God that no longer works," said Spong ... Full Story
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Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Mar 21, 2010
from dailyrecord:

"'I'm trying to help people think of God in terms of their own experience,' Spong said.'I experience God as the life that flows through the universe and invites me to live more fully, and the more fully I live, the more God becomes visible in me and through me.'"

"He views Jesus as a man who accepted the universal invitation, lived in a way that transcended his own self-interest and survival, and let God flow through him. He is an example, according to Spong, of the human emptying into the divine ..."

Actually, it was the reverse: the emptying of the divine into the human, according to Phillipians 2:6-9.

So do we believe the subjectivity of Spong, or the words of St Paul?
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#2 Mar 21, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from dailyrecord:
"'I'm trying to help people think of God in terms of their own experience,' Spong said.'I experience God as the life that flows through the universe and invites me to live more fully, and the more fully I live, the more God becomes visible in me and through me.'"
"He views Jesus as a man who accepted the universal invitation, lived in a way that transcended his own self-interest and survival, and let God flow through him. He is an example, according to Spong, of the human emptying into the divine ..."
Actually, it was the reverse: the emptying of the divine into the human, according to Phillipians 2:6-9.
So do we believe the subjectivity of Spong, or the words of St Paul?
If the article didn't quote Spong as saying this nonsense, I would have thought it was Rev. Ken.

Interesting, that they both speak the same terms.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#3 Mar 22, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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If the article didn't quote Spong as saying this nonsense, I would have thought it was Rev. Ken.
Interesting, that they both speak the same terms.
"Great minds" think alike?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#4 Mar 22, 2010
Aww, the tow non members are pretending to know about TEC again.

It's always so cute.

Bigoted and misogynistic, but cute.

That's fine, you two belong to denominations that tell you everything to think, whether correct or not, don't want that nasty thinking on your own within your own experience of the Living God.

It's so much easier to be told, rather than to know......

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#5 Mar 22, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
... It's so much easier to be told, rather than to know......
So what did Schori tell you what to know today?
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#6 Mar 22, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
That's fine, you two belong to denominations that tell you everything to think, whether correct or not, don't want that nasty thinking on your own within your own experience of the Living God.
It's so much easier to be told, rather than to know......
Actually it is easier to make it up as you go along, like you and TEC, than follow what has been revealed to us through Scripture.

If you make the rules you can change the rules once you tire of following them.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#7 Mar 23, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So what did Schori tell you what to know today?
No, you still don't get how TEC works, we don't get told, we know by experience.......

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#8 Mar 23, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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Actually it is easier to make it up as you go along, like you and TEC, than follow what has been revealed to us through Scripture.
If you make the rules you can change the rules once you tire of following them.
So what was it that drew you away from your lovely bible believing community to TEC in the first place?

Was it their continuing inspiration and revelation from the Holy Spirit?

I wouldn't want people thinking you were lying about being a member, we already have an editor (the one you sniff) that does that....
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#9 Mar 23, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
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So what was it that drew you away from your lovely bible believing community to TEC in the first place?
Was it their continuing inspiration and revelation from the Holy Spirit?
I wouldn't want people thinking you were lying about being a member, we already have an editor (the one you sniff) that does that....
My wife was TEC growing up. Our sons were Baptized in a LCMS church. When we moved to where we live now, there was not a LCMS church established. We gave the TEC mission church in our town a try and for the most part it was OK. Then the slide to apostasy ramped up and it was time for us to leave. Luckily, a LCMS church plant started soon after.

On a side note. The TEC mission started five full years before the LCMS church plant. Our LCMS church plant has built a church and a daycare while the TEC Mission church we once belonged too is still struggling to attract members, still renting and from the people I know that still attend there is talk about the diocese shutting it down.

Amazing what preaching the Gospel will do and how God is faithful to those who are faithful to His Word.
Rick Mc

Oklahoma City, OK

#11 Mar 23, 2010
I am a Lector in the Episcopal Church, a member of the vestry of my local parish, and an EM. The young men are right; the Episcopal Church as a scriptual church is dead; the holy spirit no longer blesses this cultural experiment known as the TEC. If you're gay or really don't want to adhere to stict biblical teachings the TEC is where you want to be. I have been looking into the North American Anglican Church and I believe that is where I will end up. TEC is dead.
Think Again

Kinston, NC

#12 Mar 23, 2010
Rick Mc wrote:
I am a Lector in the Episcopal Church, a member of the vestry of my local parish, and an EM. The young men are right; the Episcopal Church as a scriptual church is dead; the holy spirit no longer blesses this cultural experiment known as the TEC. If you're gay or really don't want to adhere to stict biblical teachings the TEC is where you want to be. I have been looking into the North American Anglican Church and I believe that is where I will end up. TEC is dead.
Good luck in your search. I hope you find an ACNA church near by to where you live.

But if you don't try an Lutheran Church Missouri Synod Church. We are very Scripturally sound in doctrine and in faith matters. Not to be confused with the ELCA Lutherans.

Either way run, don't walk, away from TEC.

Since: Aug 09

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#13 Mar 24, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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Good luck in your search. I hope you find an ACNA church near by to where you live.
But if you don't try an Lutheran Church Missouri Synod Church. We are very Scripturally sound in doctrine and in faith matters. Not to be confused with the ELCA Lutherans.
Either way run, don't walk, away from TEC.
Mister,

Go to church and worship in your own place.

Get away from here. What you are doing above helps no one and very surely is harmful to yourself.

“Plays well with others.”

Since: Jun 07

LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#14 Mar 24, 2010
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck in your search. I hope you find an ACNA church near by to where you live.
But if you don't try an Lutheran Church Missouri Synod Church. We are very Scripturally sound in doctrine and in faith matters. Not to be confused with the ELCA Lutherans.
Either way run, don't walk, away from TEC.
If yu want to attract memebers, go right ahead...but not at the expense of TRASHING TEC...and don 't bother with the retort that they are doing that themselves. Please get off this board and spend your time on your own faith and threads. You bring NOTHING to the discussion. You refuse to comment on ANYTHING scriptural that I post...in a word...f off.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#15 Mar 24, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
... Please get off this board and spend your time on your own faith and threads ...
RevKen wrote:
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Mister,
Go to church and worship in your own place.
Get away from here ...
LOL - more of what TEC calls "inclusion"!

Both of you have no business on Topix telling anyone to go anywhere.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#16 Mar 24, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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LOL - more of what TEC calls "inclusion"!
Both of you have no business on Topix telling anyone to go anywhere.
More hypocrisy on the part of Joe De Caro.

It is you, Joe.

You are the one who has posted on these threads that you consider it your reason for editing and posting here to trash and demean The Episcopal Church.

Your words, Joe.

Include yourself somewhere else, Joe.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#17 Mar 24, 2010
RevKen wrote:
... Include yourself somewhere else, Joe.
Asuming that's a request, then your request is denided.

But you never addresed the question in the first post: do you believe the subjectivity of Spong, or the words of St Paul?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#18 Mar 24, 2010
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
My wife was TEC growing up. Our sons were Baptized in a LCMS church. When we moved to where we live now, there was not a LCMS church established. We gave the TEC mission church in our town a try and for the most part it was OK. Then the slide to apostasy ramped up and it was time for us to leave. Luckily, a LCMS church plant started soon after.
On a side note. The TEC mission started five full years before the LCMS church plant. Our LCMS church plant has built a church and a daycare while the TEC Mission church we once belonged too is still struggling to attract members, still renting and from the people I know that still attend there is talk about the diocese shutting it down.
Amazing what preaching the Gospel will do and how God is faithful to those who are faithful to His Word.
Thanks for answering TA.

Though we disagree on MANY MANY things TA, I do hope you have found a spiritual home that gives you consolation, hope, fellowship and the love of action, just as TEC is a spiritual home for me.

You and I are not judges, only God has the ability to read the hearts and minds of men and women.

You weren't ever a vestry member though, were you....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#19 Mar 24, 2010
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it is easier to make it up as you go along, like you and TEC, than follow what has been revealed to us through Scripture.
If you make the rules you can change the rules once you tire of following them.
Jesus said the Law should be written on our hearts, not in stone.

Which moves, as situations are understood, allowing for shades of gray, and which is unyielding, in black and white.....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#20 Mar 24, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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LOL - more of what TEC calls "inclusion"!
Both of you have no business on Topix telling anyone to go anywhere.
I invite you to my church, even bigots and misogynists are welcome.

You might feel lonely, but you are welcome......

“Plays well with others.”

Since: Jun 07

LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#21 Mar 24, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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LOL - more of what TEC calls "inclusion"!
Both of you have no business on Topix telling anyone to go anywhere.
You really have trouble understanding the basics. ALL ARE WELCOME AT THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH. This is not TEC. It is a thread ABOUT TEC. The only reason that YOU are here is to EXPOSE TEC...WELL GET STARTED THEN...tell the world of ALL OF THE GOOD WORKS WE DO!!!! And then when you are finished, start on the bad ones.....

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