Iowans dismiss three justices who bac...

Iowans dismiss three justices who backed gay marriage

There are 24 comments on the CourierPostOnline story from Nov 3, 2010, titled Iowans dismiss three justices who backed gay marriage. In it, CourierPostOnline reports that:

Three Iowa Supreme Court justices lost their seats Tuesday in a historic upset fueled by their 2009 decision that allowed same-sex couples to marry.

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Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#1 Nov 3, 2010
EXACTLY WHY judges to high courts should be appointed for life.

this is EXACTLY WHY all federal judges are appointed for life.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#2 Nov 3, 2010
That is a display of the support for gay marriage. What happened to Murphy?
keith60610

Danvers, MA

#3 Nov 3, 2010
The people of Iowa stood up in record numbers and sent a message... that it is 'We the people,' not 'We the courts.'

HHHMM I guess gay and lesbian people aren't people after all... I guess we don't exist in what is supposed to be a free country for all people.

I guess they probably would have voted this way too when it comes to other people's rights..

“Adam and Steve”

Since: Aug 08

Earth

#4 Nov 3, 2010
The Iowa Supremes decision (re: ssm) was a unanimous decision of seven judges. I guess the kind and Christian folks of Iowa will be voting out the other four next year?

But, who is to say that the new judges would not come up with the same opinion: that the Iowa Constitution forbids marriage discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The LGBT community in Iowa will have to hope that the new justices are fair and impartial.

“THE JOURNEY OF A 1000 MILES”

Since: Aug 08

BEGINS WITH JUST ONE STEP:-)

#5 Nov 3, 2010
The majority of the court is still in place from that Historical decision and there is no guarantee that the replacements will be less favorable for GLBTQI rights in the future

This was about seeking revenge and nothing else!!!

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#6 Nov 3, 2010
The majority of the voters this year were republican, even more so christian conservative in Iowa this year, what else could be expected. The truly sad thing is that they may end up with judges that don't rule according to the law and constitution, but according to politics. That is a true travesty of the judicial system.

Based on the state house, there will be little more that political grandstanding on the marriage issue. They don't have enough support for a state constitutional amendment. However, this is a great example of why a federal SCOTUS level decision for marriage equality is needed.
Mark

Chicago, IL

#7 Nov 3, 2010
Why is the State involved in marriage at all? I mean, what's the purpose for the involvement?
Bob

Houston, TX

#8 Nov 3, 2010
Yes, they succeeded in dismissing what they called rogue activists judges.
Now they can vote in their own rogue activists judges.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#9 Nov 3, 2010
One example of the backlash I predicted.

Having read the case docs for the Justices' decision, they ruled fairly and accurately based upon particulars.

These Justices have been career-martyred.

I thank them for their service.

Since: Jan 08

Sriracha, Thailand

#10 Nov 3, 2010
Of course there's no reason to think that new judges would rule differently. It's just a case of bigots' revenge. The fact is that most of the money came from out of state and was used to rile Iowans into a frenzy over this issue. I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is any reason to think that this ruling will ever be overturned in Iowa.

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#11 Nov 3, 2010
After this round of campaigning and elections ... and not just in Iowa ... I think I can safely say that conservative Americans are the most frightened people on earth.

Did Iowa suddenly become a living hell? No, but conservative Iowans were convinced otherwise by those who want to keep things the way they are ... a majority of Americans afraid and stupid.

Unfortunately, they are succeeding.
Leftatalbuquerqu e

Toronto, Canada

#12 Nov 3, 2010
mark in Toronto wrote:
After this round of campaigning and elections ... and not just in Iowa ... I think I can safely say that conservative Americans are the most frightened people on earth.
Did Iowa suddenly become a living hell? No, but conservative Iowans were convinced otherwise by those who want to keep things the way they are ... a majority of Americans afraid and stupid.
Unfortunately, they are succeeding.
As a Canadian who has voted Tory most of my life, I couldn't agree more. Even my brother (we were both home this past weekend to go deer hunting with Dad) turned to me and said he couldn't believe how "stupid all these Americans seemed to be". He's more right-wing than I am!

You are an American, right? How is it that Americans can willingly pay so much for nuclear weaponry, but not for universal access to healthcare? How is it they pillory the Dems, who wanted jobs ot stay in a more protectionist USA, and wanted to boycott the Alberta Tar Sands for being too polluting, yet glorify the Repugs, who support moving jobs to other shores for the sake of shareholder gain?

What is it you are taught in school that Canadians aren't? We have free speech, we have democracy, we have everything most Tea Partiers* scream about**... are they so sheltered as to not see the realities around them? Why do they hate government, yet expect Social Security, Medicare and Defense spending to go on as before?
What am I, as a Canadian observer, child of the same British heritage, missing?

*You know, the ones who don't want government, yet run for it and expect to collect a paycheque and pension for being part of it.

** Namely, returning the US to this dystopian 1950's past in which women were housebound and races were second class.
Clint

Iowa City, IA

#13 Nov 3, 2010
"congrats" to all on the turnout at the polls. We were able to show that interpretations of the "peoples" state constitution can not be amended or decided by the opinions of 7 people. The opinion of a Judge is no better than the opinions and views of the people of the state of Iowa. Well done Iowa!

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Nov 3, 2010
snyper wrote:
One example of the backlash I predicted.
Having read the case docs for the Justices' decision, they ruled fairly and accurately based upon particulars.
These Justices have been career-martyred.
I thank them for their service.
The backlash is meaningless. Doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is justice.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Nov 3, 2010
This was such an act of vengeance, nothing more.

A smart activist movement would retaliate but ***king good. Why? Because there *IS* no alternative to simply retaliating,*AND* the very childishness of this bid to remove the judges gives you license to do so. But hey, take the high road. Now that gay rights look to go down in flames, ya know.

Don't misunderstand me. What *I* would do is start a pledge among local, state and national gay rights groups in *all five states and DC* that have marriage equality, with a special emphasis on Iowa. Every last bid to reverse gay marriage would be obstructed *by every legal means anyone can find*, including people on the ground in state. I'd be starting lawsuits for EEEEVERYTHING you can think of. I'd be mobilizing the citizenry to civil disobedience, strikes and absolute refusal to cooperate with the community. Let it start a culture war that gets really ugly. Let it. The pro-gay *FEAR* of these things is proving more damaging than anything else in the world. The pro-gay *PARTY OF NO* is damaging your chances at everything.
Old School Teacher

United States

#17 Nov 3, 2010
Great day for the Gerbils in Iowa. Take your perverted love life and get some help

“Brutally honest. ”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#18 Nov 3, 2010
Leftatalbuquerque wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Canadian who has voted Tory most of my life, I couldn't agree more. Even my brother (we were both home this past weekend to go deer hunting with Dad) turned to me and said he couldn't believe how "stupid all these Americans seemed to be". He's more right-wing than I am!
You are an American, right? How is it that Americans can willingly pay so much for nuclear weaponry, but not for universal access to healthcare? How is it they pillory the Dems, who wanted jobs ot stay in a more protectionist USA, and wanted to boycott the Alberta Tar Sands for being too polluting, yet glorify the Repugs, who support moving jobs to other shores for the sake of shareholder gain?
What is it you are taught in school that Canadians aren't? We have free speech, we have democracy, we have everything most Tea Partiers* scream about**... are they so sheltered as to not see the realities around them? Why do they hate government, yet expect Social Security, Medicare and Defense spending to go on as before?
What am I, as a Canadian observer, child of the same British heritage, missing?
*You know, the ones who don't want government, yet run for it and expect to collect a paycheque and pension for being part of it.
** Namely, returning the US to this dystopian 1950's past in which women were housebound and races were second class.
You have missed two crucial things.

First, Americans vote based on their moral beliefs, not practical needs.

Second, the two party system makes it impossible to progress as a country.

Americans are not as smart as we claim to be, not as powerful as we perceive ourselves to be, and not as tolerant as we brag about.

“THE JOURNEY OF A 1000 MILES”

Since: Aug 08

BEGINS WITH JUST ONE STEP:-)

#19 Nov 3, 2010
whitefalcon1678 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have missed two crucial things.
First, Americans vote based on their moral beliefs, not practical needs.
Second, the two party system makes it impossible to progress as a country.
Americans are not as smart as we claim to be, not as powerful as we perceive ourselves to be, and not as tolerant as we brag about.
Thankfully someone who understands what I have been saying for awhile now:)

NO REAL change will EVER occur as long as we stick to this broken down 2 party system. Our political system has been at this stage before where one party controls the House and the other controls the Senate......and GRIDLOCK was all that took place!!!

When this change doesn't produce any progress, who will the voters blame next?
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#21 Nov 3, 2010
Leftatalbuquerque wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Canadian who has voted Tory most of my life, I couldn't agree more. Even my brother (we were both home this past weekend to go deer hunting with Dad) turned to me and said he couldn't believe how "stupid all these Americans seemed to be". He's more right-wing than I am!
You are an American, right? How is it that Americans can willingly pay so much for nuclear weaponry, but not for universal access to healthcare? How is it they pillory the Dems, who wanted jobs ot stay in a more protectionist USA, and wanted to boycott the Alberta Tar Sands for being too polluting, yet glorify the Repugs, who support moving jobs to other shores for the sake of shareholder gain?
What is it you are taught in school that Canadians aren't? We have free speech, we have democracy, we have everything most Tea Partiers* scream about**... are they so sheltered as to not see the realities around them? Why do they hate government, yet expect Social Security, Medicare and Defense spending to go on as before?
What am I, as a Canadian observer, child of the same British heritage, missing?
*You know, the ones who don't want government, yet run for it and expect to collect a paycheque and pension for being part of it.
** Namely, returning the US to this dystopian 1950's past in which women were housebound and races were second class.
The problem is that in America, the divided partitions of the country (that being known as the state), has more power than the federal government, and in situations like this, these rogue states march to the beat of their own drum. In order to rout out change, these pestilent pukes assure themselves dictatorial positions by keeping power within their families and their political circle. Once they identify someone that is against their beliefs, they oust them! This system is no better than what Americans were taught about communism in the U.S.S.R. and Cuba!

At least America has 5 states that currently allow for gay marriage! The REAL problem with the suppression of gay rights in America is that the government is putting the access to equal rights FOR EVERY AMERICAN in the hands of voters. This in itself is disgusting AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Fuck American fascism and fuck the American government for condoning this atrocity for going on this long! ELIMINATE THE VOTE, AND AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEE THE RIGHTS TO GAY PEOPLE AS YOU HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU CADS! This is what was done in Canada, and I hope the U.S. will wake up soon and follow suit!
Jovan

Albuquerque, NM

#22 Nov 4, 2010
Dubya wrote:
Of course there's no reason to think that new judges would rule differently. It's just a case of bigots' revenge. The fact is that most of the money came from out of state and was used to rile Iowans into a frenzy over this issue. I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is any reason to think that this ruling will ever be overturned in Iowa.
I agree. Now the governor or governor-elect will have to appoint 3 replacements for the ousted justices. The voters took a gamble; they do not know who they'll be getting and certainly didn't look at the big picture. My understanding was that the ruling in favor of same sex marriage was unanimous and that 4 of the justices are stiil in their seats. Now wouldn't it be funny if the same voters who voted to oust those judges found themselves actually needing judges who upheld the Constitution in matters that personally affected them? Karma has a way of setting things right.

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