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MSA corrects misconceptions about Islamic culture, faith

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“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#1 Nov 12, 2008
One main problem is that there is not an "Islamic culture, faith".

There are unnumberable vairations.

""It must be noticed that rights were given to women 14,000 years ago, and most of the rights have only recently been established in the West," he said."

14,000 years ago?
Now that we know that they can't even get basic facts right, what can we expect?
Just Me

Diablo, CA

#2 Nov 12, 2008
Wilberhum wrote:
One main problem is that there is not an "Islamic culture, faith".
There are unnumberable vairations.
""It must be noticed that rights were given to women 14,000 years ago, and most of the rights have only recently been established in the West," he said."
14,000 years ago?
Now that we know that they can't even get basic facts right, what can we expect?
Ah, good observation! I didn't notice it.

“Islam is sound, mankind is not”

Since: Sep 08

Casablanca, Morocco

#3 Nov 12, 2008
We all do typos, a zero added by the slip of a finger, but anal-retentive abuse is harder to accidently type....
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No, there is no Islamic culture because Islam is larger and greater than culture, so there are many cultures and nationalities.
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As for faith, there certainly is, a single belief in the One True God (Allah). To say otherwise is to have your head firmly stuck somewhere between your buttocks and your stomach.... from the inside via the lower passage.
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Wilberhum wrote:
One main problem is that there is not an "Islamic culture, faith".
There are unnumberable vairations.
""It must be noticed that rights were given to women 14,000 years ago, and most of the rights have only recently been established in the West," he said."
14,000 years ago?
Now that we know that they can't even get basic facts right, what can we expect?

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#4 Nov 12, 2008
Islam destroys cultures ... it goes in and changes law to just suit themselves... and destroys what was there before hand ....

And its good to see they proof read before putting anything up ...
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#5 Nov 12, 2008
Wilberhum wrote:
One main problem is that there is not an "Islamic culture, faith".
There are unnumberable vairations.
""It must be noticed that rights were given to women 14,000 years ago, and most of the rights have only recently been established in the West," he said."
14,000 years ago?
Now that we know that they can't even get basic facts right, what can we expect?
Fine example of Taqiyya and Kitman employed by Muslims students against unsuspecting infidels.
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#6 Nov 12, 2008
Just Me wrote:
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Ah, good observation! I didn't notice it.
You might want to brush up on Islamic history.

By the way, one does not have to be a Muslim to understand the Muslim psyche and the Islamic ethos. Fourteen hundred years of Islamic history are well documented and since Islam is immutable, it hasn't changed a bit over time. There is nothing complicated about Islam except the contorted maneuvers Islamic scholars used to fabricate the great farce known as Sharia.

Nothing about Islam is rational.
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#7 Nov 12, 2008
Solkhar wrote:
We all do typos, a zero added by the slip of a finger, but anal-retentive abuse is harder to accidently type....
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No, there is no Islamic culture because Islam is larger and greater than culture, so there are many cultures and nationalities.
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As for faith, there certainly is, a single belief in the One True God (Allah). To say otherwise is to have your head firmly stuck somewhere between your buttocks and your stomach.... from the inside via the lower passage.
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Solkhar = Slave of Allah

Muslims need to confront the reasons for their despotic regimes, their economic paralysis, their moral and intellectual deficiencies, as demonstrated by the absence, for the past thousand years at least, of any of the philosophy, science, free and skeptical inquiry, that have made the West the West.

And now, when all the non-Muslim parts of the world are, to one degree or another, open to change and to development, Islam, wrapped in its own false dreams of past glory, and in the immutable texts of Islam, and in the punishment ordered by fatwas to all would be apostates, is permanently stuck. So let it be stuck - but let Muslims learn that they have only Islam itself to blame.
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#8 Nov 12, 2008
AussieChristian wrote:
Islam destroys cultures ... it goes in and changes law to just suit themselves... and destroys what was there before hand ....
And its good to see they proof read before putting anything up ...
Central to Islam is the doctrine of aggressive conquest known as JIHAD, the struggle to push back the boundaries of DAR AL-ISLAM and shrink the boundaries of DAR AL-HARB, so that ultimately all barriers to the dominance of Islam, and to the Holy Law of Islam, are overcome. New converts are not sought in order to save individual souls, but to find further recruits for the Army of Islam.

In Western countries everywhere, Muslims have shown in their behavior and their aggressive demands for changes in INFIDEL laws, customs, manners, and understandings, an unwillingness to accept what the indigenous INFIDELS have created, and have the extraordinary nerve, as no other immigrants ever have had, to demand that the societies they settle in change, and accommodate them.
taka

United States

#9 Nov 12, 2008
[QUOTE who="Counter-Striker]Musl ims need to confront the reasons for their despotic regimes, their economic paralysis, their moral and intellectual deficiencies, as demonstrated by the absence, for the past thousand years at least, of any of the philosophy, science, free and skeptical inquiry, that have made the West the West.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we in the west need to confront the reasons we prop up these despotic regimes which provide biased 'news' to their people (e.g. danish cartoons) in order to distract them from their own corruption.

As for science, etc., you really need to brush up on your history. Algebra, optics, and many other scientific breakthroughs were discovered during Islams golden years while the west was going through the dark ages. One could argue however, that Islam is now in it's dark ages (relatively speaking).
Christopher

Las Vegas, NV

#10 Nov 12, 2008
Wilberhum wrote:
One main problem is that there is not an "Islamic culture, faith".
There are unnumberable vairations.
""It must be noticed that rights were given to women 14,000 years ago, and most of the rights have only recently been established in the West," he said."
14,000 years ago?
Now that we know that they can't even get basic facts right, what can we expect?
When did this terrorist front group do this, before or after preaching hatred towards Jews?

“Islam is sound, mankind is not”

Since: Sep 08

Casablanca, Morocco

#11 Nov 13, 2008
This is the example of a fool believing websites written by more fools or simply making things up.
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First of all, the name Solkhar is a made up name, has nothing to do with Islam or any language/culture, your inventing it into Arabic shows your colours.
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Your reference to despotic regimes is laughable and the basis behind the economics and corrptions has more to do with the effects of colonization and decolonization than anything else.
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We had this discssion on another thread that of course is ignored by this particular poster, go to 1001inventions.com for at least one site's example of philosophical, scientific, cultural, architectal and commercial input into the world from Muslim sources. The fact is that it was Muslims who provided major contributions to what is now modern chemistry, mathematics and medicine. Even the most base items like western cooking comes from either Ottoman, Persian or Mogul kitchens.
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There is no doubt that because of the distructuve economic and political landscape that the 17 to 19th century west left on the rest of the world, the result of economically depressed and corrupt states still leaves a severe scar and great barriers to improvement that make development and reforms slow. Proof of this, easy, the rest of the ravaged world, non-Muslim are still in the same boat, Christian Black Africa, much of South America, certainly most of Asia (again Muslim and non-Muslim alike). Carefully avoided in the "logic" of this poster.
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There is no global conspiracy, this poster thinks that a 60 year old berber lady in the Atlas mountains is conspiring to take over the world, or some 15 year old boy from Chad looking after a camel or goats is a master plotter, what a loser!
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Counter-Striker wrote:
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Solkhar = Slave of Allah
Muslims need to confront the reasons for their despotic regimes, their economic paralysis, their moral and intellectual deficiencies, as demonstrated by the absence, for the past thousand years at least, of any of the philosophy, science, free and skeptical inquiry, that have made the West the West.
And now, when all the non-Muslim parts of the world are, to one degree or another, open to change and to development, Islam, wrapped in its own false dreams of past glory, and in the immutable texts of Islam, and in the punishment ordered by fatwas to all would be apostates, is permanently stuck. So let it be stuck - but let Muslims learn that they have only Islam itself to blame.

“Islam is sound, mankind is not”

Since: Sep 08

Casablanca, Morocco

#12 Nov 13, 2008
This is pure and utter bullsh*t. As was shown in many threads, quoted and debated, Jihad is a term used and abused in the west than ever uttered by the bulk of people in the Muslim world. In most cases the Greater Jihad (that of personal improvement) is the most used phrase in mosques and has nothing to do with conflict, whilst the Lesser Jihad (fighting to defend Islam) is used in by a few radical extremists only but the western media and most of the 8,500 plus websites created by evangelical groups in the US will abuse and use that word in adnauseum.
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Comments about recruiting for battle and not faith is a childish evangelical phrase used by this anal-intentive who claims not to be religious, but each time quotes from evangelical inti-Islamic sites.
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Again, I repeat as on other threads, go to the FBI site and check out radical fundamentalist christian groups and you will find that the FBI has its own unit and that its head has stated that it is now FBI policy that the greatest long term risk to peace and stability to the USA is this threat from within and not militant Islamists thousands of miles away.
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Just remember, the average Muslim is concerned about daily life like the rest of you, going to work, earning enough salary to have the right to a family, hoping and praying that their children stay happy and healthy and not hungry or ill.
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Counter-Striker wrote:
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Central to Islam is the doctrine of aggressive conquest known as JIHAD, the struggle to push back the boundaries of DAR AL-ISLAM and shrink the boundaries of DAR AL-HARB, so that ultimately all barriers to the dominance of Islam, and to the Holy Law of Islam, are overcome. New converts are not sought in order to save individual souls, but to find further recruits for the Army of Islam.

“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#13 Nov 13, 2008
I'm not concerned about the "Average Muslim".
I'm concerned about the "Good Muslims".
Just Me

Diablo, CA

#14 Nov 13, 2008
Counter-Striker wrote:
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You might want to brush up on Islamic history.
By the way, one does not have to be a Muslim to understand the Muslim psyche and the Islamic ethos. Fourteen hundred years of Islamic history are well documented and since Islam is immutable, it hasn't changed a bit over time. There is nothing complicated about Islam except the contorted maneuvers Islamic scholars used to fabricate the great farce known as Sharia.
Nothing about Islam is rational.
I know something about Islam after 2 years in this forum. I was referring to not noticing the extra 0 after 1400.
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#15 Nov 14, 2008
Solkhar wrote:
This is the example of a fool believing websites written by more fools or simply making things up.
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CAIR, ISNA and NAIT

http://www.akdart.com/islam9.html

The organizations discussed have two common goals:

1. the manipulation of the American news media.
2. the suppression of any criticism of Islam.

They portray Muslims as the victims of 9/11/2001 rather than the perpetrators.

It is amazing to see that even after the September 11th attacks, which were apparently carried out by Muslims, any criticism of Islam is still considered "Islamophobia". After all, phobia = fear = terror. Isn't terror what terrorists want? If Islamophobia exists, the Islamic terrorists are to blame.

Lots of Links: http://www.akdart.com/islam9.html
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#16 Nov 15, 2008
Solkhar wrote:
This is pure and utter bullsh*t. As was shown in many threads, quoted and debated, Jihad is a term used and abused in the west than ever uttered by the bulk of people in the Muslim world. In most cases the Greater Jihad (that of personal improvement) is the most used phrase in mosques and has nothing to do with conflict, whilst the Lesser Jihad (fighting to defend Islam) is used in by a few radical extremists only but the western media and most of the 8,500 plus websites created by evangelical groups in the US will abuse and use that word in adnauseum.
.
Comments about recruiting for battle and not faith is a childish evangelical phrase used by this anal-intentive who claims not to be religious, but each time quotes from evangelical inti-Islamic sites.
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Again, I repeat as on other threads, go to the FBI site and check out radical fundamentalist christian groups and you will find that the FBI has its own unit and that its head has stated that it is now FBI policy that the greatest long term risk to peace and stability to the USA is this threat from within and not militant Islamists thousands of miles away.
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Just remember, the average Muslim is concerned about daily life like the rest of you, going to work, earning enough salary to have the right to a family, hoping and praying that their children stay happy and healthy and not hungry or ill.
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CAIR and Islamic Jihad

One organization, in particular, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), demands attention for its past and current history connecting it to Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).

CAIR's parent organization, the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) was incorporated in Chicago, Illinois, in November of 1981. One of the IAP's founders, Sami Al-Arian, was, at the time, a doctoral student at North Carolina State University.

In addition, Al-Arian had, a couple years prior, been involved with a group of Palestinian students in Cairo that had formed a violent breakaway faction from the Islamic Society (a.k.a. Muslim Brotherhood Palestine) called Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ). In 1981, the same year Al-Arian helped found the IAP, PIJ was expelled from Egypt, due to the group's close relationship with those that assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

Read more: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printabl...
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#17 Nov 15, 2008
Solkhar wrote:
This is pure and utter bullsh*t. As was shown in many threads, quoted and debated, Jihad is a term used and abused in the west than ever uttered by the bulk of people in the Muslim world. In most cases the Greater Jihad (that of personal improvement) is the most used phrase in mosques and has nothing to do with conflict, whilst the Lesser Jihad (fighting to defend Islam) is used in by a few radical extremists only but the western media and most of the 8,500 plus websites created by evangelical groups in the US will abuse and use that word in adnauseum.
.
Comments about recruiting for battle and not faith is a childish evangelical phrase used by this anal-intentive who claims not to be religious, but each time quotes from evangelical inti-Islamic sites.
.
Again, I repeat as on other threads, go to the FBI site and check out radical fundamentalist christian groups and you will find that the FBI has its own unit and that its head has stated that it is now FBI policy that the greatest long term risk to peace and stability to the USA is this threat from within and not militant Islamists thousands of miles away.
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Just remember, the average Muslim is concerned about daily life like the rest of you, going to work, earning enough salary to have the right to a family, hoping and praying that their children stay happy and healthy and not hungry or ill.
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Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF)

In the summer 2007 Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) trial (which looked into evidence of HLF's fundraising on behalf of Hamas), the U.S. government released a list of approximately 300 of HLF's "unindicted co-conspirators" and "joint venturers." Among the unindicted co-conspirators were groups such as the Islamic Association for Palestine, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Hamas, INFOCOM, the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Arab Youth Association, the United Association for Studies and Research, and the North American Islamic Trust. The list also included many individuals affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and/or Hamas. Among these were Omar Ahmad, Abdurahman Alamoudi, Yousef al-Qaradawi, Abdallah Azzam, Jamal Badawi, Mohammad Jaghlit, Mousa Abu Marzook, Abdel Aziz Rantisi, and Ahmed Yassin.
Counter-Striker

Jersey City, NJ

#18 Nov 15, 2008
Wilberhum wrote:
I'm not concerned about the "Average Muslim".
I'm concerned about the "Good Muslims".
CAIR and ISNA named as part of criminal conspiracy in Hamas funding

Islamic Groups Named in Hamas Funding Case

Federal prosecutors have named three prominent Islamic organizations in America as participants in an alleged criminal conspiracy to support a Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Hamas.

Prosecutors applied the label of "unindicted co-conspirator" to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Islamic Trust in connection with a trial planned in Texas next month for five officials of a defunct charity, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.

While the foundation was charged in the case, which was filed in 2004, none of the other groups was. However, the co-conspirator designation could be a blow to the credibility of the national Islamic organizations, which often work hand-in-hand with government officials engaged in outreach to the Muslim community.

Read more: http://www.nysun.com/article/55778...
Oh Tham Eng

Singapore, Singapore

#21 Nov 16, 2008
AgainstScienceCom wrote:
#1 You're....the greatest spammer......How about a simple challenge in the presence of all..... I'll surrender [if you can prove...] if you lose, you must stop spamming the forum....choose from clear facts & not myths or spiritual tales that we would'nt be able to settle on. Deal?...
TAKING ON A MUSLIM'S CHALLENGE
I take your challenge, dude. It's very dumb of you to throw such a challenge to knowledgeable people like "Sound Doctrine", as he is an ex-Muslim.
Why I say this? Because we are now living in the age of internet. So we have access to your Quran & hadiths, & what knowledgeable ex-Muslims wrote about your islam from their sacred books. If it wasn't so, I won't have known of the tonnes of trash in your Quran & hadiths.
Then I wouldn't have dared to write & openly post so many articles in internet on Islam. It'll be seditious under Singapore's tough laws on sedition. But if I can prove it & show evidence, then I am not violating any criminal law in Singapore. Got it?
Far a start, please respond to my post I am reprinting below (with some improvements), "Jesus & Mohd compared". I first posted it in Topix's "Who is Allah?" forum #c14226. Todate, no Muslim is able to respond. Hope you have the brain to do so. Here we go!---
"JESUS & MOHD COMPARED
1. Jesus wants His followers to love & die for others (John 13:34-35, John 15:13); Mohd incited his followers to hate & slaughter others into submission (Quran 9:5,4:89).
2. Jesus wins His followers' respect & adoration through loving & dying for them (John 3:16); Mohd boasted:''For I have been made victorious through terror to have the treasures of the world brought to me & put in my hand”(Bukhari V4B52N220).
3. Jesus reprimanded Peter for using violence:“He who wields the sword will die by the sword”(Matthew 26:52); Mohd encourages violence:“Fighting is not only good; it is Islam's best deed”(Bukhari V4B52N50).
4. The Quran says Jesus was taken up by Allah to heaven to be with Him (Quran 3:55; 4:158); but the Hadith records how Mohd was cursed by Allah to a slow death through eating a poisoned moose at Khaibar prepared by his revengeful captive Jewish wife (whose parents & people he had slaughtered).(Bukhari 5.713).
5. Jesus had no need for sex (Allahu akbar!); but islam's champion copulator & ejaculator went to the mosques for prayers with his semen stains still visible, thereby keeping his girly wife Aisha busy washing the semen stains from his clothing.(Bukhari V1B4N232/3).
6. Jesus knew He was going to His Father in Heaven (John 14:28); Mohd did not know where he was going after death, & agonising before he died, wanting others to tell him: "Where will I be tomorrow? Where will I be tomorrow?", because he realised he was going to hell soon.(Bukhari V5B59N731).
7. Jesus forbids lying:“Let your 'Yes' be a 'Yes', and a 'No' be a 'No'. Anything more than this comes from the devil”(Mathew 5:37); Mohd encourages his followers to tell lies, even if they are needed for doing evil for the good of islam & for allah, so long as the lying Muslim remains strong in his faith in islam (Quran 16:106).
8. Jesus had rebuked helpful demons for speaking the truth & for trying to help Him preach/spread the Gospel (Mark 3:13); Mohd failed for more than 11 years & had to rely on the jinns (demons) to help him spread his islam, because Allah wasn't helping him as He had never chosen him to be His prophet.
That's why he dedicated Quran chapter 72 (called “Al-Jinn”) to the demons to honour them for helping him spread islam. So how can Muslims be such idiots to believe that their Quran is UNCREATED like Allah?
That is why islam has become such a terribly dysfunctional faith, & Islamic societies so hopelessly backward, chaotic, violent & self-accursed----because the demons are still actively 'helping' the mindless Muslims to spread & uphold islam...."
Oh Tham Eng

Singapore, Singapore

#22 Nov 16, 2008
Love wrote:
#55 <quoted text> By the way all what we can take from Sound Doctrine is copy/paste work not related to anything as we can see in this thread, he/she dont have its own brain to use it! Peace
FOR GOD'S SAKE, MUSLIMS, PLEASE STOP TRYING SO HARD TO CHANGE OUR MINDS INTO THINKING THAT YOUR ISLAM IS ONLY GOOD FOR MAKING MUSLIMS INTO BACKWARD, BENIGHTED, VILE, VIOLENT AND MINDLESS, LYING ZOMBIES.

You mindless Muslim! You claim to have a brain. But you have forgotten that Muslims and non-Muslims are all living in the age of the internet. So we can know everything that your Quran and your hadiths teach or not teach. You people now cannot be lying to us and keeping the facts and the sordid truths about your islam from us anymore. The game is up, Muslims!

And we know what kind of character your Prophet Mohammed was. And we know that a good tree will produce good fruits. But the bitter and poisonous fruits of the islam, as preached by your Prophet Mohammed, invariably lead Muslims to become backward, benighted, impoverished and violent as Muslims are encouraged to tell lies to each other (Quran 16:106) as a way of outsmarting each other so that they can succeed to slaughter their own Muslim brothers in 'holy' jihads (in their islamic paradises of Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, etc) for the free sex with paradise virgins falsely promised by your lying prophet Mohammed---and slaughtering your fellow Muslims in a manner far less dignified than non-Muslims kill their dirty, stinking pigs. Why?

And you and your fellow Muslims are keeping so very quiet, unless a Muslim or some Muslims are accidentally killed by a stray American bullet or bomb? Why should non-Muslims think that the lives of Muslims are sacred too, but not Muslims? So why should Muslims think that the lives of their fellow Muslims have so much less value than the valuable dirty, stinking pigs of the non-Muslims?

And why do Muslims try so hard to try convincing non-Muslims that their islam is only good for enslaving Muslim minds and making them impoverished, backward, vile and benighted? And then we non-Muslims got the blame for the evil Muslims perpetrate on themselves as they compete with each other to become the most self-accursed people on planet earth. Is this being fair to we innocent non-Muslims? But why the need for such stupid competition among Muslims to slaughter each other?

Non-Muslims are very happy to think that there is much good in Islam. And we wish to remain in such blissful ignorance. So what is the point of Muslims trying so hard to convince us to believe otherwise about your islam?

Well, answer me, will you if you still want to tell us that you have any brain cells left. Then you will also be able to respond intelligently to my post above in #c19. I am still waiting for you people to respond. And I am being very charitable to Muslims not to declare my victory over Muslims as yet in these big debates with your zombied and mindless brethren---because I prefer to keep myself busy trying to promote the goodness of Islam to people all over the world---to people like President-elect Obama. Will you and your Muslim people join me in this great jihad, Muslimah “Love”?

So "Inspire me Lord, to be thankful to Thee for Thy favours to me and my parents to do good deeds which will please Thee. Admit me, through Thy mercy, to be among Thy righteous.” An-Naml 27:19. "For the noblest in Allah's sight is he who is the most righteous." Al-Hujurut 49:13

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