Erie judge leaves legacy of innovation and reform

As a lawyer practicing in Erie County's courts, John A. Bozza could not help noticing.

[jerry gradler]

any criticism of bozza should not be tolerated. the man may be the scum of the earth but he is no lower than any other erie county judge.

[Realist]

jerry gradler wrote:

any criticism of bozza should not be tolerated. the man may be the scum of the earth but he is no lower than any other erie county judge.

Really? Try being an attorney practicing in front of him, or a participant in litigation matters he hears. He's condescending, nasty, and disrespectful to almost everyone. No other Erie County judge comes close on that. Most treat everyone in their courtrooms decently, as long as they give the court the respect it deserves.

[juris prudence]

Realist wrote:

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Really? Try being an attorney practicing in front of him, or a participant in litigation matters he hears. He's condescending, nasty, and disrespectful to almost everyone. No other Erie County judge comes close on that. Most treat everyone in their courtrooms decently, as long as they give the court the respect it deserves.

Yes there are - several of them and one female for certain. And the DJs of Erie County are the same (Alonge, Dipaolo, Manzi) Need I say more?

[K Mac]

Judge Bozza was the third judge in as many years who handled the case of our son's bio mom, and he was the ONLY one who said "enough is enough" and terminated the parental rights, clearing the way for us to adopt. I will forever be in Judge Bozza's debt.

[Realist]

juris prudence wrote:

<quoted text>Yes there are - several of them and one female for certain. And the DJs of Erie County are the same (Alonge, Dipaolo, Manzi) Need I say more?

I've been in front of every one of the Erie County judges, as well as the federal court judges, and found everyone but Bozza to treat people decently. There may be one or two whose legal skills are suspect, but that's a different issue.

As for district justices, there are as many bad as good, I believe. But my comments were limited to real judges.

[TWTL]

K Mac wrote:

and he was the ONLY one who said "enough is enough" and terminated the parental rights

I can't help but notice your emphasis on "he was the 'ONLY' one." It only takes one, Einstein.

Isn't that like saying: "I finally found it in the ONLY place I hadn't looked yet?"

[Realist]

TWTL wrote:

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I can't help but notice your emphasis on "he was the 'ONLY' one." It only takes one, Einstein.
Isn't that like saying: "I finally found it in the ONLY place I hadn't looked yet?"

Picking pepper out of fly shit again? The meaning was clear to everyone else. There had been other judges who had heard the case, but had not done anything.

[Britan Gall]

Realist wrote:

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Picking pepper out of fly shit again? The meaning was clear to everyone else. There had been other judges who had heard the case, but had not done anything.

Funny. May I ask if you've had any experience in front of Judge Dem....ich, and if so what impressions you took away?

[K Mac]

Realist wrote:

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Picking pepper out of fly shit again? The meaning was clear to everyone else. There had been other judges who had heard the case, but had not done anything.

Thanks for getting it. The other judges listened to the bio mom make excuse after excuse for not complying with court orders and kept extending what should have been no more than an 18 month process, but Bozza finally put a stop to it.(It still took another 7 or 8 months to finalize everything after that, too.) Maybe that will explain it better for the learning impaired.

[Realist]

Britan Gall wrote:

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Funny. May I ask if you've had any experience in front of Judge Dem....ich, and if so what impressions you took away?

It depends. There are some things she's done that I applaud, because she decided complex issues in a manner consistent with developing law. Then there are others where I believe her ideas of what's "fair" have interfered with what the law provides. I would rate her competent, but to be honest, probably just barely. There's nothing to justify removing her from the bench, certainly, but there are other judges who have a much better grasp of the law and how to keep their personal opinions out of it.

[Smackie]

K Mac wrote:

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Thanks for getting it. The other judges listened to the bio mom make excuse after excuse for not complying with court orders and kept extending what should have been no more than an 18 month process, but Bozza finally put a stop to it.(It still took another 7 or 8 months to finalize everything after that, too.) Maybe that will explain it better for the learning impaired.

For what it's worth, cool thing you did there KSmack :)

[K Mac]

Smackie wrote:

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For what it's worth, cool thing you did there KSmack :)

Thanks : D

It's definitely a change in everyone's lives in our family, but it was worth it and we'd do it again in a heartbeat. People don't have to adopt designer babies from foreign countries, there are plenty of kids right here who need love!

[Britan Gall]

Realist wrote:

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It depends. There are some things she's done that I applaud, because she decided complex issues in a manner consistent with developing law. Then there are others where I believe her ideas of what's "fair" have interfered with what the law provides. I would rate her competent, but to be honest, probably just barely. There's nothing to justify removing her from the bench, certainly, but there are other judges who have a much better grasp of the law and how to keep their personal opinions out of it.

I guess the test question would be: if you were a defendent how would you feel about going before her?:)
BTW, some while ago I watched postings between what appeared to be two collegues in the legal profession. I don't know if you know what I'm referring to or if you were one of the participants, but I found them high minded, but as a chat between friends, and very interesting. Thanks if you were one of those participating. It just seemed refreshing to hear what seemed like a polite and warm give and take between friends of sort :)

[Realist]

Britan Gall wrote:

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I guess the test question would be: if you were a defendent how would you feel about going before her?:)
BTW, some while ago I watched postings between what appeared to be two collegues in the legal profession. I don't know if you know what I'm referring to or if you were one of the participants, but I found them high minded, but as a chat between friends, and very interesting. Thanks if you were one of those participating. It just seemed refreshing to hear what seemed like a polite and warm give and take between friends of sort :)

Probably not me. I try to avoid lawyers.:) Oh, I just looked back and saw that you were talking about posts. It may have been when Random Damage and I were going back and forth. That was fun, in a twisted sort of way.

If I were a defendant in front of her, I would not feel 100 percent sure that I could predict the outcome, so I would be nervous. However, I also know that she can be convinced by a compelling and correct argument, so I'd have that prepared.

[Italy Gall]

Realist wrote:

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Probably not me. I try to avoid lawyers.:) Oh, I just looked back and saw that you were talking about posts. It may have been when Random Damage and I were going back and forth. That was fun, in a twisted sort of way.
If I were a defendant in front of her, I would not feel 100 percent sure that I could predict the outcome, so I would be nervous. However, I also know that she can be convinced by a compelling and correct argument, so I'd have that prepared.

Haven't heard the name Random Damage in a while :) As to your 2nd paragraph, if you know what's good for you...word to the wise...I'd capitalize "HER" if you know what I mean :)
I won't pester you but I would appreciate your informed opinion regarding a scenario as it pertains to her.(I know nothing about how the system works. This regards nothing current or necessarily real BTW.)
What would you think though if a plaintiff spoke, then SHE/HER turned to the defendent and started the conversation with "How dare you..." ? Is all fair in love and lawyering or is that tipping a hand toward one side?
Just curious. I promise I won't sue you if I don't like your insight :)

[Realist]

Italy Gall wrote:

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Haven't heard the name Random Damage in a while :) As to your 2nd paragraph, if you know what's good for you...word to the wise...I'd capitalize "HER" if you know what I mean :)
I won't pester you but I would appreciate your informed opinion regarding a scenario as it pertains to her.(I know nothing about how the system works. This regards nothing current or necessarily real BTW.)
What would you think though if a plaintiff spoke, then SHE/HER turned to the defendent and started the conversation with "How dare you..." ? Is all fair in love and lawyering or is that tipping a hand toward one side?
Just curious. I promise I won't sue you if I don't like your insight :)

You know, I would have given you an insightful answer, but since you made some cracks about me on another thread, Mark, I won't bother.

[Italy Gall]

Realist wrote:

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You know, I would have given you an insightful answer, but since you made some cracks about me on another thread, Mark, I won't bother.

TeeHee. You said "cracks". BTW, how do you know it's me? Can you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?
Really though, you don't need to quote the threads, but if there's somethings that offended you give me a the gist of it for consideration and if I think I owe you an apology, I'll give you one.
I purposely laid my cards on the table with the "Man of La Mancha" thing.(Watch it. Very inspirational:) The point though is that I have felt very hurt and offended by things said to me in the past. From this I learned to take posts for what they are...who knows? It's mainly anonymous blather.
Even though you know my name and my crap posted here, you don't know me in person. To know me is to love me :) I'm joking in a sense, but not so much. I'm a good guy. If you truly knew ME you'd know that.
BTW, if you express a disinterest in conversing with me I won't answer your posts even under different names. Ladie's choice :)(Sorry, couldn't resist :) Happy New Year.

[TWTL]

K Mac wrote:

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People don't have to adopt designer babies from foreign countries, there are plenty of kids right here who need love!

"Designer babies?!?" I thought the longest list was those waiting for American babies with blond hair and blue eyes.

[TWTL]

Realist wrote:

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The meaning was clear

Anyone can clearly see that once you find what you're looking for you quit looking, hence....he was the ONLY judge who terminated the birth mother's parental rights.

[Realist]

TWTL wrote:

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Anyone can clearly see that once you find what you're looking for you quit looking, hence....he was the ONLY judge who terminated the birth mother's parental rights.

After other judges had the opportunity to do so and chose not to.