Report: CU Student Died Of Oxy Overdo...

Report: CU Student Died Of Oxy Overdose 15min

There are 31 comments on the KETV story from Jul 1, 2009, titled Report: CU Student Died Of Oxy Overdose 15min. In it, KETV reports that:

Toxicology reports said that a Creighton University student died of an overdose of the prescription painkiller OxyContin, but it wasn't immediately clear where Jonathan Colby got the pills.

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Curious Jorje

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#21 Jul 2, 2009
ItsmeJules wrote:
<quoted text>You know there is no arguing that it is a highly controversial topic and everyone has their own ideas about who is at fault and who could've stopped it. It's also very obvious that many hands are in the jar and it is difficult to really find just one person to unload all of the blame onto but my point is that people who do wrong, whether it be illegally prescribing, selling or taking these drugs, these people need to take responsibility for their own part in this issue. I hate to see people who knowingly do wrong time and time again, try to point at someone else who they think should take the blame. Passing the buck around is a great american pass time with new and improved ways of doing it. Just take your lumps people. I know a few people in my life who have had problems with prescription drugs, they know that this is their problem, no one else's, not the docs who wrote their scripts, not the pharmacists who filled them and certainly not the manufacturers who made them. They know that they and they alone caused their current problems and it is only they who can fix it. Now whether or not Pharma should have advertised with warnings, well that may very well be true, just like tobacco companies are now forced to advertise the risks one assumes when smoking, maybe they should be held to a similar standard but the bottom line remains the same, self responsibility and restraint remains number one on my list. Then maybe let's impose some restrictions on the manufacturers but not blame, at least not the lions share of it.
You're on fire girl!

The truth is, nobody wants to discourage sale of their product, so they did as little as possible to "warn people" with these certain labels and so on. And rightly so!!!

Anybody who gets these from a doctor should be told by their doctor, anybody who agrees to take a strong opiate KNOWS that it has a risk of dependency. Thee are all things that are plain common sense. In the end, just like tobacco, people found that they could post facto claim that they werent WARNED ENOUGH!! And they got a lot of money for it, its all a game.

I seriously doubt that in a society of responsible, intelligent people this lawsuit would have ever gone through, but your thoughts on America are absolutely true, if someone can find a way to blame the other guy, then it gets done.

"Oh, I took this strong assed opiate that took me month to titrate, I used it for years and when I tried to stop cold turkey, I had withdrawals...well, nobody told me it was habit forming, its not in huge letters on my script, so lets get together and sue Purdue, now that we no longer need the medicine of course"

Thats basically the train of logic in this whole thing. They found a way to pass the buck and blame somebody else for not talking enough with their doctor, for not having the common sense to realize if they were on a 24 hour opioid regimen they would have dependancy issues..give us a break, a 12 year old would know that...but since they can claim they werent warned, well, they did.

NOBODY can just take responsibility any longer.

I remember when I was in WDs, I was blaming my lady for helping me get meds, I was angry with the doctor, I was pissed off at everybody. I was in hell, and the mind simply wants to blame somebody instead of taking full responsibility. After I was out of WDs I could see how twisted my logic was, but when I was in misery, it was EVERYBODYS FAULT.

Since: Dec 08

Norwalk, CT

#22 Jul 2, 2009
Curious Jorje wrote:
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You're on fire girl!
The truth is, n"
Thats basically the train of logic in this whole thing. They found a way to pass the buck and blame somebody else for not talking enough with their doctor, for not having the common sense to realize if they were on a 24 hour opioid regimen they would have dependancy issues..give us a break, a 12 year old would know that...but since they can claim they werent warned, well, they did.
NOBODY can just take responsibility any longer.
I remember when I was in WDs, I was blaming my lady for helping me get meds, I was angry with the doctor, I was pissed off at everybody. I was in hell, and the mind simply wants to blame somebody instead of taking full responsibility. After I was out of WDs I could see how twisted my logic was, but when I was in misery, it was EVERYBODYS FAULT.
The important thing is that at some point you realized that it was your fault and that no one else had any hand in it but you. Not that you had done anything bad but the fact that you were withdrawing showed that you may have taken more than you should've but you knew it was a self imposed agony at some point. The problem here is that no one, I mean no one, wants to take responsibility for their own actions. I do not understand this.
As far as people not being warned enough, well that is just plain Bull shi%. It's like you have said before, anyone taking powerful Opiates for chronic pain knows that dependency is a strong possibility. They know that they will either become addicted to the pain relief and the drug itself or they will go through agony when the drug is stopped. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out, especially with all that has been in the media. You take a certain amount of risk when taking these drugs, not any kind of news flash there. It just really irks me how many people on this earth that will just not own up to the reality that they themselves are responsible for their own destiny. Too many people looking to say "it wasn't my fault, the doc didn't tell me they were dangerous or addictive". I hate to be redundant here, as you have stated all of these things in your prior posts but it just can't be said enough. Just take your lumps people, admit you fuck#$ up and move on. The only thing this type of propaganda serves to accomplish is now the many scheduled drugs on the market for chronic pain patients are under scrutiny and risk being taken off the market. I do not however honestly think they will ever remove these drugs from the market but they will become that much more difficult to obtain, as if they were not hard enough to get before. The chronic pain patients seem to be the only ones that do not have access to these drugs readily. What the public does not realize is that people who are going to abuse drugs, will do so no matter what, they will find a way. It doesn't matter what type of bans and laws they put into effect, there will always be a black market and the only ones who will suffer are you and I, Joe Pain Patient. I am done, going to enjoy my 4th of July weekend and hope you get to do the same.
Curious Jorje

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#23 Jul 3, 2009
LOL...last night I tried to write you about 10 times but I had the nods and kept waking up to one letter or another held down all the way through the post like hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh...

Heh. I just started this boot camp workout program 2 days ago so now at night when I take my meds I am having to take less because Im so exhausted I pass right out. I forgot how much the SEAL training kept my schedule in check, I was never awake past 10, it was impossible..

So I was writing "Hey Jules, blah blah mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm....",then I would try again and "Hey Jules, blah blah blah kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk k......"

So I gave up, just too exhausted.

Anyways..lol What I was going to say was that when I was in suffering I blamed my lady for introducing me to PM, I mean it was ridiculous, if she hadnt got me to see that first doctor I wouldnt have known what was wrong, I wouldnt have known how to treat it, etc., my point was that I was absolutely irrational. I wasnt tkaing too muc I just had no doctor anymore after mine split the clinic stealing 90K. Just everything I could think of..I was angry with everyone and everything and hat included myself, but thats what people sometimes do in grief, they lose a loved one and they blame everybdy and go on a big lawsuit against purdue for 5 million dollars...its just irrational thinking.

You were holding your own very well though, i know how passionate you feel about such things. You were spot on with about everything you said.

Anywyas, its 2:17 in the morning and I am back to training, taking a 15 minute water break before Sandbag workouts...holy shite....my foam neck collar has become a sponge, it probably weighs 4lbs right now...good thing I have 4 of them..

And yes, I am being careful =)
realtrouble

Westminster, CA

#24 Jul 3, 2009
piercit wrote:
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Man I cannot believe I' defending big pharm here, because I am not.
I am just defending the logic. How many kids are killed everyday, because of alchol, how many people per year, not to mention destroyed families, suicides etc.
Where is the outrage for them, are they any less dead?
Should we all blame budwiser?
peace
piercit
id blame bud if they reformulated beer and said it didnt have the same addictive qualities. its not the same thing. purdue marketed oxy irresponsibly and thats why they dug deep. its why the tobacco companies dug deep. its why any individual organization manufacturer should be accountable for their actions. they can point the finger all they want but the buck stops there. this is a dead horse right?
realtrouble

Westminster, CA

#25 Jul 3, 2009
Curious Jorje wrote:
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No, Jules is right. They capitalized off of the fact that they didnt do MORE to educate people on the dangers, not because they didnt do this, but because some lawyer found a way to show they didnt do enough. Do you honestly think Purdue Pharma didnt place labels and told people that there was no possibility of addiction?
Just because they payed the money doesnt mean they were actually wrong, from what I know, Purdue does a lot to educate and help, and they plead guilty in order to move forward, if they hadnt they could be off the market right now, as we speak. They knew what they were doing so they took the slap on the hand (600 million, more like a slap on the ole nutsack, ouch!) and certain people accepted the fall and now they have been able to move on.
If you TRULY believe they were at fault, I would like to see the evidence, not a news article that says "Purdue was accused of such and such and pled guilty having to pay a 600 million dollar fine" I mean show me what the charges were and just exactly how they were found guilty.
Just because the news says something, doesnt mean its the truth, you know they spin everything. All we really know is what we are told and sold, unless youve done extensive research into the case, all you can do is parrot what youve read in articles, heard on news or seen people talk about in chat forums.
Well, anyways, I like the realtrouble a hell of a lot more than the imposter..lol
What a conundrum.
im not your educator. its your job to provide facts and truths that support your point. its the basics of debate. here are some of the facts. some of the finer points of the outcome of the case. fact - the company and its leaders went on the record admitting that they mislead doctors and misbranded the drug in their marketing. fact - in the end the judge overseeing the case thought the leaders should have been incarcerated. the got probation and community service. fact - the company leaders were held criminally accountable for the companies actions related to misbranding. fact - purdues parent company pleaded guilty to misbranding with the intent to defraud. maybe your referring to another one of the lawsuits purdue is involved in? are you defending purdue and saying they didnt mislead doctors? yes now purdue provides some education but that is not the point. its kind of like shooting someone and later educating people of the dangers of guns. they promoted oxycontin as SAFER and it wasnt. that is all i am saying. and as a result we have a largeR problem with addiction dependency and death directly related to oxycontin. were not taking about any other drug. are we better off with oxycontin than we were before? i mean we had percocet and whole families of other pain relievers. oxycontin most certainly gets the job done and cpps swear by the shit. speaking of shit i have to empty my colon. im out
realtrouble

Westminster, CA

#26 Jul 3, 2009
and another thing! jules you are not wrong. i just believe there is more to the story. people cant blame purdue for their problems BUT purdue created a big f ucking mess

Since: Dec 08

Norwalk, CT

#27 Jul 6, 2009
Curious Jorje wrote:
LOL...last night I tried to write you about 10 times but I had the nods and kept waking up to one letter or another held down all the way through the post like hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh...
Heh. I just started this boot camp workout program 2 days ago so now at night when I take my meds I am having to take less because Im so exhausted I pass right out. I forgot how much the SEAL training kept my schedule in check, I was never awake past 10, it was impossible..
So I was writing "Hey Jules, blah blah mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm....",then I would try again and "Hey Jules, blah blah blah kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk k......"
So I gave up, just too exhausted.
Anyways..lol What I was going to say was that when I was in suffering I blamed my lady for introducing me to PM, I mean it was ridiculous, if she hadnt got me to see that first doctor I wouldnt have known what was wrong, I wouldnt have known how to treat it, etc., my point was that I was absolutely irrational. I wasnt tkaing too muc I just had no doctor anymore after mine split the clinic stealing 90K. Just everything I could think of..I was angry with everyone and everything and hat included myself, but thats what people sometimes do in grief, they lose a loved one and they blame everybdy and go on a big lawsuit against purdue for 5 million dollars...its just irrational thinking.
You were holding your own very well though, i know how passionate you feel about such things. You were spot on with about everything you said.
Anywyas, its 2:17 in the morning and I am back to training, taking a 15 minute water break before Sandbag workouts...holy shite....my foam neck collar has become a sponge, it probably weighs 4lbs right now...good thing I have 4 of them..
And yes, I am being careful =)
You are so funny, I appreciate your post. I know how that goes, getting up early in the morning, long day and then trying to have an intelligible conversation. I appreciate your honest and intelligent posts on the subject as I do Real Trouble's. It's nice to see some real quality posts that are on topic and that offer something really worthwhile to debate. Now it's my turn to be noddin in and out. I had a busy day with my girls today and there is not much left in the brain waves dept tonight. Just wanted to let you know I had seen the posts from you both and respond to them to the best of my ability tonight. Hope everyone had a fantastic 4th.
piercit

United States

#28 Jul 6, 2009
ItsmeJules wrote:
<quoted text>You are so funny, I appreciate your post. I know how that goes, getting up early in the morning, long day and then trying to have an intelligible conversation. I appreciate your honest and intelligent posts on the subject as I do Real Trouble's. It's nice to see some real quality posts that are on topic and that offer something really worthwhile to debate. Now it's my turn to be noddin in and out. I had a busy day with my girls today and there is not much left in the brain waves dept tonight. Just wanted to let you know I had seen the posts from you both and respond to them to the best of my ability tonight. Hope everyone had a fantastic 4th.
Heu Jules, happy fourth to you and yours, I thinks there is a lot more to be touched on in this debate, and I will pick it up myself with trouble when I have some more energy.

He came around last night and I thought he was the NOT REAL Trouble and kinda blew him out of the water by mistake, I hope I didn't scare him away for good..lmao

Have a goodnight Jules, talk to you later,
peace
piercit

Since: Dec 08

Norwalk, CT

#29 Jul 6, 2009
piercit wrote:
<quoted text>
Heu Jules, happy fourth to you and yours, I thinks there is a lot more to be touched on in this debate, and I will pick it up myself with trouble when I have some more energy.
He came around last night and I thought he was the NOT REAL Trouble and kinda blew him out of the water by mistake, I hope I didn't scare him away for good..lmao
Have a goodnight Jules, talk to you later,
peace
piercit
Thanks, I had a great weekend and hope you did as well. I am sure our friend is still around and would love to indulge you in debate when you are up to it, as would I. Tonight I am just catching up on some topix reading and enjoying the pleasant Summer night we are having, which in this part of the country is a few and far between phenom. Have a good night and get some rest.
trouble

Pittsford, NY

#30 Jul 6, 2009
ItsmeJules wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks, I had a great weekend and hope you did as well. I am sure our friend is still around and would love to indulge you in debate when you are up to it, as would I. Tonight I am just catching up on some topix reading and enjoying the pleasant Summer night we are having, which in this part of the country is a few and far between phenom. Have a good night and get some rest.
hey jules i have a hard one for u!! i'll rock your world!!

Since: Dec 08

Norwalk, CT

#31 Jul 7, 2009
trouble wrote:
<quoted text>hey jules i have a hard one for u!! i'll rock your world!!
Is that so?

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