Turkey And Armenia At Loggerheads

Turkey And Armenia At Loggerheads

There are 48 comments on the Groong story from Mar 27, 2013, titled Turkey And Armenia At Loggerheads. In it, Groong reports that:

TURKEY AND ARMENIA AT LOGGERHEADS Huffington Post March 26 2013 by David L. Phillips, Director, Program on Peace-building and Rights, Columbia University Institute for the Study of Human Rights Turkey and Armenia missed an historic opportunity to improve ties when Turkey refused to ratify the Protocols on the Establishment of Diplomatic and ... (more)

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TRUTHlover

Carei, Romania

#1 Mar 27, 2013
Wau...

I see Turkey could do a lot of things .... especially to aid the Armenians .....

But why only Turkey has to do all these things?

What about Armenia? Mr Phillips did not mention with a single sentence what Armenia could do!

This proves me how 'objective' Mr Phillips must be ...

And as the Director of the Program for Peace Building etc..., why does he not concentrate on the Karabagh problem? In the moment the Karabagh problem would be resolved, automatically would be also the Armenia-Turkey problem solved (according to his own report)....

Then why is he not concentrating on Karabagh?

Simple, the big $ are roling from the Armenian Lobby, not from the Turkish or Azeri .... thus of course he has to accuse Turkey being the bad guy not Armenia ......

Armenians always are and were saints ....

Cheers,
lambroni ardzivAQrtsakh p

Katy, TX

#2 Mar 27, 2013
TRUTHlover wrote:
Wau...
I see Turkey could do a lot of things .... especially to aid the Armenians .....
But why only Turkey has to do all these things?
What about Armenia? Mr Phillips did not mention with a single sentence what Armenia could do!
This proves me how 'objective' Mr Phillips must be ...
And as the Director of the Program for Peace Building etc..., why does he not concentrate on the Karabagh problem? In the moment the Karabagh problem would be resolved, automatically would be also the Armenia-Turkey problem solved (according to his own report)....
Then why is he not concentrating on Karabagh?
Simple, the big $ are roling from the Armenian Lobby, not from the Turkish or Azeri .... thus of course he has to accuse Turkey being the bad guy not Armenia ......
Armenians always are and were saints ....
Cheers,
the ARTSAKH problem can only be solved when the aziks accept the independence of what you call Karabagh the population 99.99% has voted for independence democracy rules the people do not want to be azeri citizens and that is final
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#3 Mar 27, 2013
Some turdlovers still can not see the IT remnant turk hiding behind Karabagh.
According to OKUZ, TR Prime minister Erdogan is a LIAR.
Because Erdogan says Borders will open as soon as Karabagh dispute is resolved.
http://armenianow.com/news/politics/40177/erd ...
It means He realizes he can no longer DENY Armenian GENOCIDE and the related issues.
THE CANNONBALLER

Northampton, UK

#4 Mar 27, 2013
only an american could write garbage like this..no wonder most of the senate in the USA are not even aware of the geography and the history of anywhereelse
in the world but their own constituency.
ask him to show you Anchorage on the map,he`ll take you to the nearest harbour!
THE CANNONBALLER

Northampton, UK

#5 Mar 27, 2013
lambroni ardzivAQrtsakh p wrote:
<quoted text>the ARTSAKH problem can only be solved when the aziks accept the independence of what you call Karabagh the population 99.99% has voted for independence democracy rules the people do not want to be azeri citizens and that is final
that little bit af a farmyard you call artzak or whatever else you
think of,won`t even need a bullet fired once the divided new USSR ditches you to save herself...and not for long..
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#6 Mar 27, 2013
THE CANNONBALLER wrote:
<quoted text>
that little bit af a farmyard you call artzak or whatever else you
think of,won`t even need a bullet fired once the divided new USSR ditches you to save herself...and not for long..
You mean they would do a Pezo MUso pimping Azeris to save their ass?
Neah!
That is a IT turk trade, Ali bey.
Murat

Newbury, UK

#8 Mar 27, 2013
Armenia talking about more than 100years ago during the 1world war but they are only 20years ago butchers the hoca Ali people in azerbeycan and every years illegally coming to turkey for work if you Armenian don't like Turk why you coming ?
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#9 Mar 27, 2013
Murat wrote:
Armenia talking about more than 100years ago during the 1world war but they are only 20years ago butchers the hoca Ali people in azerbeycan and every years illegally coming to turkey for work if you Armenian don't like Turk why you coming ?
Murat my son
You are confused.
Armenians love the Dignified Turks a nd Anatolia is also their native country.
We only hate the IT turks and their remnats who still deny their crime of Genocide.
Do not take it personally.
Analyst

Istanbul, Turkey

#10 Mar 27, 2013
You can't make a deal with Armenians, you can't talk to them.

All they do is talk and talk abd talk over their "genocide" and their "historic lands" and the Ittihatcis and 1915 and the desert and blah blah blah.
They are minfcuked people.

Keep the doors closed, we shouldn't let too many of these freaks walk amongst us. Let them do their talking and debating over their favorite subject, "genocide", over the other side of the fence, without causing any disturbance here.
Murat

Newbury, UK

#11 Mar 27, 2013
When ottoman lose they power Armenia people be came muppets of the emperyalis country's such a as Russia ,Britannia ,French ,Italian what you expect you Armenian tried to own country ottoman you are citizen of the ottoman which country show any one be tried own country kill everyone because they are Muslim or Turk you live with us more than 1000years if ottoman wound kill all of you today there is no Armenian left in the world is it but you are un grateful when ottoman very powerful who dare stop but they did show ever ottoman citizen tolerant
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#12 Mar 27, 2013
Analyst wrote:
You can't make a deal with Armenians, you can't talk to them.
All they do is talk and talk abd talk over their "genocide" and their "historic lands" and the Ittihatcis and 1915 and the desert and blah blah blah.
They are minfcuked people.
Keep the doors closed, we shouldn't let too many of these freaks walk amongst us. Let them do their talking and debating over their favorite subject, "genocide", over the other side of the fence, without causing any disturbance here.
I agree
we should let you deal with the DERSIM genocide first, then we can settle the Armenian Genocide issue more easily.
Murat

Newbury, UK

#13 Mar 27, 2013
Darden first I am not you son learn little bit respect when you talk any person second you know better than us genocide not 100years ago 21 C people planing to go different planet you did butcher the people In Armenia no job people poor coming to turkey for all kind jobs like prostitution specially to Istanbul if behind no Iran help or you big brothers Russia your hate destroy your self so man looked your self what you doing own your people by hate how much your hate that much you people get worse
Murat

Newbury, UK

#14 Mar 27, 2013
Dersim wasn't by Turkish people by politic Chp parti in turkey turkish people suffer by this parti well so as I sad people planing to go to different planet you you narrow head people like you never understand be free you Carr on hate hate hate what go into happen you hope your Armenia get more suffer never mind you Carr on hate make you fell batter you are just poison of the nation
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#15 Mar 27, 2013
Murat wrote:
Darden first I am not you son learn little bit respect when you talk any person second you know better than us genocide not 100years ago 21 C people planing to go different planet you did butcher the people In Armenia no job people poor coming to turkey for all kind jobs like prostitution specially to Istanbul if behind no Iran help or you big brothers Russia your hate destroy your self so man looked your self what you doing own your people by hate how much your hate that much you people get worse
Murat my son
when did you escape from turkey?
Are you working as a prostitute in UK?
THE CANNONBALLER

Northampton, UK

#16 Mar 28, 2013
Dander wrote:
<quoted text>You mean they would do a Pezo MUso pimping Azeris to save their ass?
Neah!
That is a IT turk trade, Ali bey.
why do you still feel the pain in your a..s from the MK...?..it must have been a colossal fcuk!
Insider

Istanbul, Turkey

#17 Mar 28, 2013
THE CANNONBALLER wrote:
<quoted text>
why do you still feel the pain in your a..s from the MK...?..it must have been a colossal fcuk!
Indeed! Mustafa Kemal did everything that enemies of the Turkish nation feared. He fcuked them off and founded a modern and powerful nation state. To this date the haters live on their tiny piece of crapland, in their 3rd world country (maybe even 4th).

They failed and we succeeded, because we Turks raise leaders as M Kemal while they raise corrupt puppets enslaved by the Tzars.
TRUTHlover

Carei, Romania

#18 Mar 28, 2013
Dander wrote:
Some turdlovers still can not see the IT remnant turk hiding behind Karabagh.
According to OKUZ, TR Prime minister Erdogan is a LIAR.
Because Erdogan says Borders will open as soon as Karabagh dispute is resolved.
http://armenianow.com/news/politics/40177/erd ...
It means He realizes he can no longer DENY Armenian GENOCIDE and the related issues.
Hello Dandikyan,

Ok the Turks are hiding behind Karabagh .... don't know how you can hide behind something which was reported and widnessed by the entire World, but ok ....

There remains just one question, perhaps you can explain it to me ....

WHY had the Armenian military to (let me put it in militarian terms) eliminate all the women and children????

What was the reason?

You like to portait the Turks as mass murderers during the events of 1915 .... but you never claimed that the bad Turks killed women and children (at least systematically).... they perished on the way or after they arrived in Der Zor caused by exhaustion, sickness and famine .....

Also even you mentioned that many women were 'forcibly' taken by Turks into their harems (like every Turk had during that time a harem) and the children were forcibly adopted by Turkish families (forcibly, funny statement keeping in mind that the majority of the families couldn't even feed their own kids but they steel Armenian children to make them their own?!?!)...

Of course all these individuals are now by the Armenians included in their numbered dead body count instead of saying they were rescued ....

I would say this is another very typical twist of facts, but whatever .... please explain me WHY did your compatriots had to kill the innocent Azeri women and children?

Why? I understand the Turks are evil .... but the Armenians????

Cheers,
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#19 Mar 28, 2013
Some turdlovers are scared to take their "STRAIGHT" Hocali case to A court!!!
Erdogan says as soon as Armenia starts withdrawing from some of the occupied rayons the borders will be opened.
No mention of anything else!!!!
Surely Erdogan knows Hocali is just a tale to save face against 1915.
TRUTHlover

Carei, Romania

#20 Mar 28, 2013
lambroni ardzivAQrtsakh p wrote:
<quoted text>the ARTSAKH problem can only be solved when the aziks accept the independence of what you call Karabagh the population 99.99% has voted for independence democracy rules the people do not want to be azeri citizens and that is final
lambroni,

I can follow your argumentation.....
But please give me an answer to 3 of my questions:

1. What is the population of Karabagh? According to UN reports you displaced 100,000 Azeris from the area ..... What value has this referendum when you forcibly kicked out these people before the referendum?

2. Are the new/old inhabitants of Karabagh not Armenians? Why didn't they want to be part of the Armenian state, why did they need a new 'independent' state?(Are they a different type of Armenians than the Armenians in the Republic of Armenia?)

3. Yes, I agree 100% with you regarding the democracy principal.

But if the majority decides, well then let's apply it then .... let's apply the principal which you advocate here ..... what you say to a vote of 3,000,000 Armenians to the vote of 75,000,000 Turks that Eastern Anatolia is Turkish and not Armenian?

Cheers,
Ararat Of London

Plymouth, UK

#21 Mar 28, 2013
Murat wrote:
Armenia talking about more than 100years ago during the 1world war but they are only 20years ago butchers the hoca Ali people in azerbeycan and every years illegally coming to turkey for work if you Armenian don't like Turk why you coming ?
Ulan dalyarak, o anadolu topraklarinda benim ermeni dedelerim binlerce sene yasadi.Defolup git Mogolistana.
Sen ingilterede ne bok yiyorsun sorabilirmiyim?

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