New start for former Episcopalians

New start for former Episcopalians

There are 24 comments on the Boston Globe story from Jun 3, 2010, titled New start for former Episcopalians. In it, Boston Globe reports that:

A group of former Episcopalians who broke away from their denomination because of concern over blessings for homosexual couples, as well as other issues, have chosen a former Catholic church in this mill town on the New Hampshire border as regional headquarters for the more traditional Anglican denomination they are attempting to construct ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Jun 3, 2010
from Boston Globe:

"Many of ACNA congregations are former Episcopal parishes that grew disillusioned with the denomination when an openly gay bishop in New Hampshire, Gene Robinson, was consecrated in 2003 and when the Episcopal Church began blessing the relationships of same-sex couples.

"Though the Episcopal Church is much larger, with 7,400 congregations, it has been losing members for decades. The ACNA, meanwhile, is growing, from 700 congregations a year ago to about 800 now. And although ACNA has not sought official recognition yet from the Anglican Communion, it received affirmation in April as 'a faithful expression of Anglicanism'..."

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#2 Jun 3, 2010
The question will be if the ACNA can resist secular pressures or if they too will fall victim to the "inclusive" movement:

"Any Christian who accepts women in the hierarchical priesthood by that fact deprives himself of any and every theological defense against homosexual marriage. This point cannot be stressed enough, and the "evangelical" Anglicans in Plano who have accepted a priestess into ACNA have thereby guaranteed that this Christian communion is not and can never be a true expression of Catholic Christianity."

http://philorthodox.blogspot.com/2010/05/acna...
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#3 Jun 3, 2010
from the article:

"The cathedral will occupy the building formerly used by Sacred Heart Church, which for decades served as spiritual home to Roman Catholics, many of them French-Canadian mill workers and their descendants.

While they grieved when their church was put up for sale,"

LOL - I wonder if the money was used to pay the settlements in Boston that resulted from the sexual abuse practices.

From The Boston Globe:

By Susan Milligan, Globe Staff | March 31, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The church sexual abuse crisis cost Catholic dioceses and religious institutes nearly $467 million last year in settlements to victims, legal expenses, therapy, and training, a staggering amount in the aftermath of the abuse scandal that surfaced in 2002, according to an independent audit released yesterday by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The data, collected by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University, also showed that 783 new and credible allegations of sexual abuse by clergy were reported last year, down from 1,092 allegations reported in 2004 and bringing the total number of accusations to more than 12,000 nationwide since 1950.

While the number of allegations is decreasing, the financial cost to the church increased over the last year due to some large settlements paid in 2005, said Teresa M. Kettelkamp, director of the USCCB's Office of Child and Youth Protection. The church paid more than $399 million last year in settlements alone, and spent $67 million more on therapy for victims, legal fees, and counseling for offenders, according to the data.

The audit's results bring the total cost of the church sexual abuse crisis to nearly $1.2 billion, not including undisclosed payments the church made during 2003 and this year."

From France24: 05 April 2010

"Child sex abuse cost US Catholic church 3 billion dollars

AFP - The pedophile priest crisis has cost the US Roman Catholic church nearly three billion dollars, but only a fraction of the perpetrators faced prison and little has been done to punish those who covered up the crimes."

“Pic of Sockett”

Since: Jan 08

Jacksonville, FL

#4 Jun 3, 2010
Well if you need someone to tell you how to live, how to act, and what to hate, then die and meet you maker already. You are wasting, space, & our precious limited resources.

If this offends you, have your "god" come talk to me, and we will clear this right up. JIC your "god" is too scared to face me, then you tell "it" for me.

Until then, I will wait for the war between the muslims & christians to start. Sad killing is against the laws of god, yet you do it in gods name. Someone besides me is not paying attention, to what is being put in the kool-aide. Drink up.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#5 Jun 3, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
from the article:
"The cathedral will occupy the building formerly used by Sacred Heart Church, which for decades served as spiritual home to Roman Catholics, many of them French-Canadian mill workers and their descendants.
While they grieved when their church was put up for sale,"
LOL - I wonder if the money was used to pay the settlements in Boston that resulted from the sexual abuse practices ...
from sex abuse by clerics - a crisis of many faiths:

"Among Protestants, the landmark case involved a woman who accused the Episcopal Diocese and the presiding bishop in Colorado of covering up the sexual misconduct of her priest. When the jury found the church liable and ordered church leaders to pay her $1.2 million in 1991,'that changed the Protestant game completely,' Schoener said, "because it opened the door for higher-ups to be responsible.'

"Until then, he said, it had been thought nearly impossible to win awards against Protestant regional and national bodies. That's because, unlike the Catholic Church hierarchy, in which priests are assigned by diocesan officials, most Protestant congregations, with the exception of Methodists, hire their own pastors. Higher officials had been able to argue that they were not liable for bad hiring decisions, and individual congregations that were responsible often lacked the deep pockets to warrant major judgments."
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#6 Jun 3, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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from sex abuse by clerics - a crisis of many faiths:
"Among Protestants, the landmark case involved a woman who accused the Episcopal Diocese and the presiding bishop in Colorado of covering up the sexual misconduct of her priest. When the jury found the church liable and ordered church leaders to pay her $1.2 million in 1991,'that changed the Protestant game completely,' Schoener said, "because it opened the door for higher-ups to be responsible.'
"Until then, he said, it had been thought nearly impossible to win awards against Protestant regional and national bodies. That's because, unlike the Catholic Church hierarchy, in which priests are assigned by diocesan officials, most Protestant congregations, with the exception of Methodists, hire their own pastors. Higher officials had been able to argue that they were not liable for bad hiring decisions, and individual congregations that were responsible often lacked the deep pockets to warrant major judgments."
We all are sinners - that is why we needed Christ Jesus.

However, a million is so much smaller then a billion.

And one is so very much smaller then hundreds.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#7 Jun 3, 2010
WotMeWorry wrote:
The question will be if the ACNA can resist secular pressures or if they too will fall victim to the "inclusive" movement:
"Any Christian who accepts women in the hierarchical priesthood by that fact deprives himself of any and every theological defense against homosexual marriage. This point cannot be stressed enough, and the "evangelical" Anglicans in Plano who have accepted a priestess into ACNA have thereby guaranteed that this Christian communion is not and can never be a true expression of Catholic Christianity."
http://philorthodox.blogspot.com/2010/05/acna...
Misogynistic, homophobic jerk ....
FoS

Sherborn, MA

#8 Jun 3, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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We all are sinners - that is why we needed Christ Jesus.
If you can't say exactly what someone did wrong, then you shouldn't presume they are guilty of anything. That's awful.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#9 Jun 3, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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We all are sinners - that is why we needed Christ Jesus.
However, a million is so much smaller then a billion.
And one is so very much smaller then hundreds.
And TEC is so much smaller than the RCC, but it doesn't make TEC wrongs "relatively" right.
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#10 Jun 3, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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And TEC is so much smaller than the RCC, but it doesn't make TEC wrongs "relatively" right.
LOL - get over it - The sins of the Church of Rome go back to the start of the church.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#11 Jun 3, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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Misogynistic, homophobic jerk ....
Who, God? Because He inspired the Bible, remember?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#12 Jun 3, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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LOL - get over it - The sins of the Church of Rome go back to the start of the church.
Yet despite that, "A group of former Episcopalians who broke away from their denomination because of concern over blessings for homosexual couples, as well as other issues, have chosen a former Catholic church in this mill town on the New Hampshire border as regional headquarters for the more traditional Anglican denomination they are attempting to construct ..."
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#13 Jun 4, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Yet despite that, "A group of former Episcopalians who broke away from their denomination because of concern over blessings for homosexual couples, as well as other issues, have chosen a former Catholic church in this mill town on the New Hampshire border as regional headquarters for the more traditional Anglican denomination they are attempting to construct ..."
People come and people go from TEC every day. Big deal!

Have you noticed the serious loss of memebrs occurring in Europe and North America from your own Church of Rome. Do you wnt me to republish the numbers?
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#14 Jun 4, 2010
WotMeWorry wrote:
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Who, God? Because He inspired the Bible, remember?
TEC's Book of Common Prayer is also inspired by God.

The Holy Spirit is alive and well and still active in the world today.

As it was in the beginning, is now and every shall be.

Thanks be to God!
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#15 Jun 4, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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TEC's Book of Common Prayer is also inspired by God.
The Holy Spirit is alive and well and still active in the world today.
As it was in the beginning, is now and every shall be.
Thanks be to God!
What do you mean exactly by "inspired by God" ?

For instance, I have a number of favorite artists. One artist is a famous painter who specializes in Christian art. Because he paints beautiful paintings, is he "inspired by God" ?

There is another artist who is also world famous who painted beautiful paintings that I also find inspirational. His paintings were secular. Because he painted beautiful paintings, was he "inspired by God" ?

I'm not trying to start an argument about this. I just want to know exactly what you mean by the phrase "inspired by God".

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Walnutport, PA

#16 Jun 4, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Yet despite that, "A group of former Episcopalians who broke away from their denomination because of concern over blessings for homosexual couples, as well as other issues, have chosen a former Catholic church in this mill town on the New Hampshire border as regional headquarters for the more traditional Anglican denomination they are attempting to construct ..."
I wonder how many of them are sexually disordered closet cases?

They could just be plain ol' haters. Anyway, both MA and NH have marriage equality and the demographic profile of homophobes relative to age looks good for equal rights in the mid term.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#17 Jun 4, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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What do you mean exactly by "inspired by God" ?
For instance, I have a number of favorite artists. One artist is a famous painter who specializes in Christian art. Because he paints beautiful paintings, is he "inspired by God" ?
There is another artist who is also world famous who painted beautiful paintings that I also find inspirational. His paintings were secular. Because he painted beautiful paintings, was he "inspired by God" ?
I'm not trying to start an argument about this. I just want to know exactly what you mean by the phrase "inspired by God".
You got any cold beer, Frank? I think I could enjoy a cold beer.

Hey, that's a really good question. Let's also ask this question of our own belief that the bible is the "divinely inspired written word." Really. What makes the bible have this designation?

KGC
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#18 Jun 4, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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You got any cold beer, Frank? I think I could enjoy a cold beer.
Hey, that's a really good question. Let's also ask this question of our own belief that the bible is the "divinely inspired written word." Really. What makes the bible have this designation?
KGC
Yes, I have cold beer.(ALL you REALLY need to be happy in life is COLD beer and a WARM cat.:))

I think that "divinely inspired written word", as far as the bible is concerned can have as many interpretations as there are people.

I'm a Lutheran (ELCA) born and raised for more than 50 years, and I attend church each Sunday morning because I enjoy it. I minored in theology in college (It was not offered as a major there until the semester after I graduated).

As far as the phrase ""divinely inspired written word", I actually don't believe that that is true for much of the bible. I view it more as a history book. But there are things that I do consider ""divinely inspired" when it comes to music, art, architecture, sculpture, and scientific ideas and discoveries. After all, science is the study of the natural universe. And God's magnificent creations, IS God's Art.

That's the way I see it anyways.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 Jun 5, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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People come and people go from TEC every day. Big deal!
Have you noticed the serious loss of memebrs occurring in Europe and North America from your own Church of Rome. Do you wnt me to republish the numbers?
Will it change the fact that many TEC members have left under the leadership of former Roman Catholic Kate Schori?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#20 Jun 5, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Will it change the fact that many TEC members have left under the leadership of former Roman Catholic Kate Schori?
No, would it change the fact that roman priests are raping children?

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