Autopsy: Excited delirium syndrome, n...

Autopsy: Excited delirium syndrome, not police Taser, killed East Grand Rapids man

There are 29 comments on the MLive.com story from Dec 17, 2009, titled Autopsy: Excited delirium syndrome, not police Taser, killed East Grand Rapids man. In it, MLive.com reports that:

Matthew Bolick's behavior of jumping through a ground-floor picture window, slugging an East Grand Rapids public safety officer, and easily absorbing Taser shots indicated something abnormal was happening to the usually placid jazz fan.

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Granny Smith

Rockford, MI

#1 Dec 23, 2009
Has anyone out there ever heard of excited delirium before. Its a new one on me. I dont have a lot of faith in the justice system and havent for years I would think that this was something that was just made up to clear the cop who tased the kid.

Since: Oct 07

Cloud Nine

#2 Dec 23, 2009
Granny Smith

Rockford, MI

#3 Dec 23, 2009
EmmaRae wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/cit y/grand-rapids-mi/T87SR154N85R VNQ8H
Good morning EmmarRae, I read the article, but I just wondered if anyone had heard of excited delirium syndrome.

Since: Oct 07

Cloud Nine

#4 Dec 23, 2009
Granny Smith wrote:
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Good morning EmmarRae, I read the article, but I just wondered if anyone had heard of excited delirium syndrome.
That's why I gave you the link to the other thread. Others were talking about it on there.

Since: Sep 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Dec 23, 2009
EmmaRae wrote:
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That's why I gave you the link to the other thread. Others were talking about it on there.
AMA does not recognize it. For decades it has been the police and more recently the Taser Intl. excuse for deaths in police cusotdy no matter what the cops did to the suspect. Usually it is accompanied by a positive drug screen, the lack of one is why Taser Intl. has to be peeing their pants on the Bolick case.

“Radical Religious Right”

Since: Jun 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#6 Dec 23, 2009
Whether it is real or not, 100% of people who don't get tased don't die from tasers. The guy punched a cop, he could have been shot and died anyway.

Since: Sep 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#7 Dec 24, 2009
Brian O wrote:
Whether it is real or not, 100% of people who don't get tased don't die from tasers. The guy punched a cop, he could have been shot and died anyway.
And then the cop would be headed to prison for a long time.
Granny Smith

Rockford, MI

#8 Dec 24, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
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And then the cop would be headed to prison for a long time.
No, the cop would have been given a misdeamior and some pencil pushing time then he would be back out on the streets.
Gregd548

United States

#9 Dec 25, 2009
Comes down to it, I'd sure as hell rather be Tasered than shot with a 9mm, 40, or 45!! It comes down to: if ya don't want to suffer the consequences, don't do the crime.
ohwsseug

Liverpool, NY

#10 Dec 26, 2009
Brian O wrote:
Whether it is real or not, 100% of people who don't get tased don't die from tasers. The guy punched a cop, he could have been shot and died anyway.
the cop deserved to be punched. I think the cop should have his testicles tasered until thier nonfunctional. We dont need his genes being reproduced.
Bentley

Rockford, MI

#11 Dec 27, 2009
Granny Smith wrote:
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No, the cop would have been given a misdeamior and some pencil pushing time then he would be back out on the streets.
You're correct about that, look what happened with the cop involved with the college kid at Grand Valley. Hes back out on the streets already. If it would have been the other way around the kid would be in prison for life. Is that justice. Nope.
say what

Denver, CO

#12 Dec 28, 2009
GR Pete wrote:
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AMA does not recognize it.
So? Since when is the AMA the source of all medical truth? The idea of handwashing as an important means of preventing the spread of infection and disease was once met with disdain by the doctors of that day. The fact that the AMA doesn't recognize something currently means nothing.

http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEC/CC/han...

"In the late 1840's, Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was an assistant in the maternity wards of a Vienna hospital. There he observed that the mortality rate in a delivery room staffed by medical students was up to three times higher than in a second delivery room staffed by midwives. In fact, women were terrified of the room staffed by the medical students. Semmelweis observed that the students were coming straight from their lessons in the autopsy room to the delivery room. He postulated that the students might be carrying the infection from their dissections to birthing mothers. He ordered doctors and medical students to wash their hands with a chlorinated solution before examining women in labor. The mortality rate in his maternity wards eventually dropped to less than one percent.

Despite the remarkable results, Semmelweis's colleagues greeted his findings with hostility. He eventually resigned his position. Later, he had similar dramatic results with handwashing in another maternity clinic, but to no avail. Ironically Semmelweis died in 1865 of Streptococcus pyogenes, with his views still largely ridiculed."

"In 1910, Josephine Baker, M.D. started a program to teach hygiene to child care providers in New York. Thirty physicians sent a petition to the Mayor protesting that "it was ruining medical practice by...keeping babies well."

“James Matthew Prange”

Since: Mar 10

East Grand Rapids, MI

#14 Mar 14, 2010
In my case, the police officers sent to subdue me chose not to use tasers. Which was fortunate for me, since I was in the most extreme state of agitation I had ever experienced, as dozens of witnesses to my breakdown - which occured on Lake Drive between Robinson Rd. and Wealthy St - could attest.

The combination of an extreme level of agitation with a taser zap is known to cause heart attacks:

Heart Doctors: No Question Tasers Cause Lethal Heart Attacks -
Expert opinion contradicts Taser International training guidelines
Steve Watson of Infowars.net
Thursday, May 22, 2008
http://www.infowars.net/articles/may2008/2205...

Infowars.com 's Tasers Archive:
http://www.infowars.com/subject_archives/ps/t...

Discussion on Alex Jones' prisonplanet forum:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#15 Mar 14, 2010
"Excited delirium syndrome"?????

Is that the best excuse they could come up with for the cover-up?

Since: Sep 08

United States

#16 Mar 14, 2010
Arctic49519 wrote:
"Excited delirium syndrome"?????
Is that the best excuse they could come up with for the cover-up?
That's what they call it and if a medical examiner determines the cause of death is anything else, like a heart attack caused by the taser, Taser Intl. has a history of suing the medical examiner.
Jacelyn M Gunneson

Lapeer, MI

#17 Mar 14, 2010
GR Pete wrote:
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That's what they call it and if a medical examiner determines the cause of death is anything else, like a heart attack caused by the taser, Taser Intl. has a history of suing the medical examiner.
Iagree with you about the suing part. People anymore are sue happy. The medical examiner is not going to go against what the cops want said. They are all in each others pockets and will cover for each other.

“Russian ties?”

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#18 Mar 14, 2010
Jacelyn M Gunneson wrote:
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Iagree with you about the suing part. People anymore are sue happy. The medical examiner is not going to go against what the cops want said. They are all in each others pockets and will cover for each other.
I agree, I think part of the problem is that there are too many greedy lawers out there encouraging people to file frivolous lawsuits.

“James Matthew Prange”

Since: Mar 10

East Grand Rapids, MI

#20 Mar 15, 2010
A question for either Topix admin or those who are more experienced with Topix than me:

Why is it that when I'm logged out of Topix, only my second post on this thread is visible? Were the other two "flagged" by someone as something that should be only visible to people who are logged in for some reason?

I have to mention this as a disclaimer, because if you read only my second post without my first post for context, you walk right into the middle of me describing an incident where police were restraining me, without hearing the first part of the story!(No wonder someone flagged it as "nuts.")

When I first read the details of Matthew's breakdown and subsequent police intervention, I was struck by how similar his story was to mine. I thought: "That could have been me!"

Topix admin: please "unhide" those posts for non-members, despite any complaints that might have convinced you they're "potentially offensive."

In my first post, I was describing my own one-night experience with "excited delirium syndrome," in the hopes it might potentially give Matthew's friends and family a little understanding as to what really happened to him.

“Everybody gets one (L)”

Since: Apr 09

Schaumburg, IL

#21 Mar 15, 2010
Tazer, 9mm, or just do what the cops say...

sorry it doesn't seem that hard to me.
snomad

Allendale, MI

#22 Mar 15, 2010
Wabun Thunderbird wrote:
A question for either Topix admin or those who are more experienced with Topix than me: I have to mention this as a disclaimer, because if you read only my second post without my first post for context, you walk right into the middle of me describing an incident where police were restraining me, without hearing the first part of the story!(No wonder someone flagged it as "nuts.")
Topix censors @ work… nothing new. Doing their job... and a bit more @ times (games). I suspect some of them also post when the urge strikes. Sometimes it is also to protect poster identity, such as yourself. I have no idea if this is the reason in this instance, however... you gave a little too much info and post #14 attests to this. Anyone familiar with the incident quite possibly now knows who you are. Personally, I would have this removed….

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