More evidence of religion's decline

More evidence of religion's decline

There are 58 comments on the blog.case.edu story from Dec 6, 2011, titled More evidence of religion's decline. In it, blog.case.edu reports that:

The Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society & Culture at Trinity College surveys the religious views of Americans and their latest ARIS (American Religious Identification Survey) report done in 2008 found the following:

86% of American adults identified as Christians in 1990 and 76% in 2008.

The challenge to Christianity in the U.S. does not come from other religions but rather from a rejection of all forms of organized religion.

The "Nones" (no stated religious preference, atheist, or agnostic) continue to grow, though at a much slower pace than in the 1990s, from 8.2% in 1990, to 14.1% in 2001, to 15.0% in 2008.

Based on their stated beliefs rather than their religious identification in 2008, 70% of Americans believe in a personal God, roughly 12% of Americans are atheist (no God) or agnostic (unknowable or unsure), and another 12% are deistic (a higher power but no personal God).

In 2008 one in five adults does not identify with a religion of any kind compared with one in ten in 1990.

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“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

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#43 Dec 20, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
If you understood God's word, you would know that fire in the Bible is always symbolic, and used to show God's will, and complete destruction as if destroyed by fire.
The lake of fire is also symbolic and shows that if you are destroyed at Armageddon, you will have no resurrection from that death. That is why it is called the second death.
All the dead in their graves are still awaiting the resurrection of the dead to happen after Armageddon, when this earth is restored to a paradise condition. And if anyone dies before Armageddon he will be resurrected from the dead, that is a promise from Jesus, even the unrighteous or wicked.
Those judged and Jesus sends into complete destruction in the Scripture you quoted, are his collected servants who claim they are subjects of Jesus as King in heaven, but they are not, in other words Jehovah's witnesses, these are the only people who are of every tribe and tongue and nation that are united world-wide as his subjects.
Just because you want to live in God's new world and study with witnesses and get Baptized, you still have to be obedient to the direction of Jesus Christ through his slave class today.
You cannot know, love and pray to Jehovah God without the name and approval of Jesus our King in heaven.
(John 14:6-7). . .Jesus said to him:“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
These are all your own opinions. Rest assured if you asked 1000 of your pedophile priests, each of those pedophiles would have a different interpretation of what you are reporting here. The texts are made from word-of-mouth sayings from itinerant goat herders thousands of years ago, reinvented and reinterpreted thousands of times, that have not even been touched by your "god" for further updates. If you believe in "The Book(s) For Fools", you be a really "Big Fool".
Christian witness

United States

#44 Dec 21, 2011
Your post shows your ignorance, therefore you are
just like everyone else who doesn't read the Bible.

You are the perfect example of why all false Christian religion has failed and is responsible for all the problems and confusion on this earth, as the Bible states even for all the bloodshed on this earth.

(Revelation 18:24) 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Christian witness

United States

#45 Dec 21, 2011
(Matthew 7:6). . .“Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine...

This thread is not worthy of the truth.
Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#46 Dec 21, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
Your post shows your ignorance, therefore you are
just like everyone else who doesn't read the Bible.
You are the perfect example of why all false Christian religion has failed and is responsible for all the problems and confusion on this earth, as the Bible states even for all the bloodshed on this earth.
(Revelation 18:24) 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
We can see you are still engaged in your courageous battle with literacy and mental health. Perhaps one day, you will gain sufficient education to join the 21st Century.

This ignorant book speaks for itself...

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.--Luke 14:26

Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare - Any man can make a mistake; only a fool keeps making the same one.

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.- Isaac Asimov

They came with a Bible and their religion, stole our land, crushed our spirit, and now tell us we should be thankful to the Lord for being saved.- Chief Pontiac
Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#47 Dec 21, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
(Matthew 7:6). . .“Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine...
This thread is not worthy of the truth.
You are a POSTER CHILD for atheism... we thank you for your unwitting support.

Peace on the earth?
Not as long as any religion exists!

Scripture for the 'logic challenged' like yourself. Please share this with your family and act accordingly... err Allah Willing

So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat.--Deuteronomy 28:55

COMMON SENSE 101

Robert Ingersoll - 1833 - 1899
"The notion that faith in Christ is to be rewarded by an eternity of bliss, while a dependence upon reason, observation, and experience merits everlasting pain, is too absurd for refutation, and can be relieved only by that unhappy mixture of insanity and ignorance called 'faith'."
Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#48 Dec 21, 2011
Pastor Richard Dawkins wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 41:25
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Key word: EVERLASTING.
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The bible testifies of hell.
RUBBISH!

There are actually some 200 gospels, epistles and other ancient documents concerning the life of Jesus Christ. Writing such material was a popular literary form, particularly in the 2nd century. The pious fantasies competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved gospels and the rejection of others. After three centuries of wrangling 23 other books were accepted by the Church as divinely inspired. The rest were declared 'pious frauds'.

In truth, the whole lot belongs to a genre of literary FICTION.

NOTHING BUT LIES UPON LIES

Thus by small steps a complex weave of fantasy is woven. As indeed the Church Fathers cheerfully admit:

"I will only mention the Apostle Paul.... He, then, if anyone, ought to be calumniated; we should speak thus to him:‘The proofs which you have used against the Jews and against other heretics bear a different meaning in their own contexts to that which they bear in your Epistles.

We see passages taken captive by your pen and pressed into service to win you a victory, which in volumes from which they are taken have no controversial bearing at all ... the line so often adopted by strong men in controversy – of justifying the means by the result."

– St. Jerome, Epistle to Pammachus (xlviii, 13; N&PNF. vi, 72-73)

Was Saint Paul an unabashed liar? From this verse in Romans it would appear so:

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded by my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also adjudged a sinner?" – St. Paul, Romans 3.7.

However in context Paul is actually censuring other Christians who say "Let us do evil, that good may come" (that is, from God's judgement). But like Paul we can "take the passage captive" to make a point.

Luminaries of Deception

Jerome is not alone in his candour. Bishop Eusebius, the official propagandist for Constantine, entitles the 32nd Chapter of his 12th Book of Evangelical Preparation:

"How it may be Lawful and Fitting to use Falsehood as a Medicine, and for the Benefit of those who Want to be Deceived."

Eusebius is notoriously the author of a great many falsehoods – but then he does warn us in his infamous history:

"We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity."

– Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 8, chapter 2.

Clement of Alexandria was one of the earliest of the Church Fathers to draw a distinction between "mere human truth" and the higher truth of faith:

"Not all true things are the truth, nor should that truth which merely seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that according to the faith."

– Clement (quoted by M. Smith, Clement of Alexandria, p446)
John Chrysostom, 5th century theologian and erstwhile bishop of Constantinople, is another:

"Do you see the advantage of deceit?...

For great is the value of deceit, provided it be not introduced with a mischievous intention. In fact action of this kind ought not to be called deceit, but rather a kind of good management, cleverness and skill, capable of finding out ways where resources fail, and making up for the defects of the mind ...

And often it is necessary to deceive, and to do the greatest benefits by means of this device, whereas he who has gone by a straight course has done great mischief to the person whom he has not deceived."
– Chrysostom, Treatise On The Priesthood, Book 1

http://jesusneverexisted.com/lying.htm
Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#49 Dec 21, 2011
Redoran wrote:
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WOWWOWOWOWOW and more WOW----! That Matthew 23.9 totally blows every single Catholic straight to their imagined Hell!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!
That site has a ton of well researched and documented information.
Has been around at least ten years now. All sources are provided.

SAB is another excellent site.

Essays galore!
http://agnosticreview.com/index.html

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#50 Dec 21, 2011
“I should not believe in the Gospel if I had not the authority of the Church for so doing.”(St. Augustine, against the epistle entitled”“Of the Foundation”[ed. Vives, vol xxv, p. 435]:“Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, nisi me catholicae ecclesiae commoveret auetoritas ... Ego me ad eos teneam, quibus praecipientibus Evangelio credidi.”)

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#51 Dec 21, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
(Matthew 7:6). . .“Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine...
This thread is not worthy of the truth.
So --Buh bye!!!!!!!!!!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#52 Dec 21, 2011
Pastor Richard Dawkins wrote:
<quoted text>
No. It's just BS period. The Baptist church is a good one. Others are okay but Baptist usually have the truth.
News for ya:

All the brands of 'christian' are pure-D unadulterated BS.

All.

There are NO exceptions.

None.

Proof, you ask?

The proof is this:

NO BRAND OF 'CHRISTIAN' HAS THE BENEFIT OF DIVINE GUIDANCE.

NONE.

If any one did?

IT WOULD STAND OUT ABOVE ALL THE REST OVER THE WHOLE EARTH.

None do that-- none.

So, to sum up: ALL brands of 'christian' are BS.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#53 Dec 21, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
If you were a Bible reader, you would know for a fact the Baptist do not have the truth about God and our future.
The Baptist teach that their Trinity God puts the wicked into eternal hellfire punishment, that is a Roman Catholic doctrine, not a teaching in the Bible.
The Bible teaches God is love, and he would never hurt his faithful children; the disobedient and rebellious children will suffer from the consequences of doing their own will instead of following God's direction for their happiness.
The Bible teaches there is only one God, Jehovah the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
(Isaiah 48:17-19). . .“I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk.
18 O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
I have read the bible, more than 100 times.

Do you know what happened?

I became an atheist as result of that-- I started out as a Genuine Christian, just like YOU.

But by reading the WHOLE bible?

It forced me to recognize how much the bible disagrees with itself!

And that made me dig into the HISTORY of how the bible came down through history... and it is a very UGLY history, too.

But that made me recognize that NOTHING of the bible is from any actual god.

Once I realized that? I realized that nothing it says is trustworthy.

But that it does exist?

Proves that there is NO GOD ANYWHERE who gives a crap about the fate of humans on earth--

-- by allowing these false "religious" books to be written, such as the bible, the mormon, the quoran, etc.

That these exist? PROVE THERE IS NO CARING GOD OUT THERE.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, too.
the serpent was right

Orefield, PA

#54 Dec 21, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
Your post shows your ignorance, therefore you are
just like everyone else who doesn't read the Bible.
You are the perfect example of why all false Christian religion has failed and is responsible for all the problems and confusion on this earth, as the Bible states even for all the bloodshed on this earth.
(Revelation 18:24) 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
I've read the bible front to back more than a few times. I'm sure I know it a bit better then you. Of course, that wasn't rewritten by a cult to make it fit their agenda, so it wasn't YOUR kooky version of the bible.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#55 Dec 21, 2011
the serpent was right wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read the bible front to back more than a few times. I'm sure I know it a bit better then you. Of course, that wasn't rewritten by a cult to make it fit their agenda, so it wasn't YOUR kooky version of the bible.
Well... to be sure, >>her<< version of the bible does not exist in the materiel plane-- only existing within her rather limited imaginary world of her delusions.

That's true for all who worship the bible-- they do not actually worship what exists-- the written book on paper.

They worship a purely imaginary book that >>never<< even a little bit, disagrees with their own prejudices.

They believe in legends of their own delusions.
the serpent was right

Orefield, PA

#56 Dec 21, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Well... to be sure, >>her<< version of the bible does not exist in the materiel plane-- only existing within her rather limited imaginary world of her delusions.
That's true for all who worship the bible-- they do not actually worship what exists-- the written book on paper.
They worship a purely imaginary book that >>never<< even a little bit, disagrees with their own prejudices.
They believe in legends of their own delusions.
100% correct!

If this book was written or inspired by a god, it should be impossible to mistranslate. But look at all the different versions of the same thing that are out there. Isn't it funny that this "loving,and merciful god" has done NOTHING to clarify matters? Ask any christonut if god 'wants' us to be saved and they will say "yes" so fast that smoke will leave their lips!! But yet this god of theirs is as silent as a myth when it comes to clarification.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#57 Dec 21, 2011
the serpent was right wrote:
<quoted text>
100% correct!
If this book was written or inspired by a god, it should be impossible to mistranslate. But look at all the different versions of the same thing that are out there. Isn't it funny that this "loving,and merciful god" has done NOTHING to clarify matters? Ask any christonut if god 'wants' us to be saved and they will say "yes" so fast that smoke will leave their lips!! But yet this god of theirs is as silent as a myth when it comes to clarification.
Indeed.

I would think? That if Jewsus were really real?

He would've written his notes onto a giant plate of platinum-iridium-bronze; something indestructible for the human tech of the day.

And surrounded it with an electrified fence powered by plutonium-- an artificial metal that degrades in 50,000 years (which is why there are no natural deposits, and proof of the earth's age).

And this monument to Jewsus' words would be 100 feet high, and in hundreds of languages.

Including.... English... make that 21st century modern English.

See? There is the Modern English paragraph right near the bottom.

Look what it says: it has some warnings, too.

"Warning: Do Not Pay Attention To---"

Damn... the name is obscured by that pile of drifting sand. And we cannot get past the electrified fence to sweep it off...

..........

;)
Amused

Burlington, MA

#58 Dec 22, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
Understanding the Scriptures is not difficult, you just need
... a lobotomy.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#59 Dec 22, 2011
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>... a lobotomy.
Excellent, and BTW: "LMFAO, ad infinitum"!!!!!!!!!! I leave with a Final, LOL!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#60 Dec 23, 2011
Christian witness wrote:
Understanding the Scriptures is not difficult, you just need
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>... a lobotomy.
Or an excessive number of hitting-yourself-on-the-head lessons.

Or, perhaps, participation in the making of one of those "jack~ss" movies...

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