Nobody said anything about denying ed...

Nobody said anything about denying education rights to "immigrants", just illegal aliens

There are 19 comments on the www.oregonlive.com story from Apr 18, 2009, titled Nobody said anything about denying education rights to "immigrants", just illegal aliens. In it, www.oregonlive.com reports that:

I am an illegal immigrant. I am a citizen of the United States and an attorney. I was brought to the United States from Mexico when I was 3 years old. Neither of my parents had more than an elementary school education.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.oregonlive.com.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1 Apr 18, 2009
Immigrants made the USA what it is today. Maybe someone should try it with mexico instead of blaming the US.

Todays immigrans are different than the immigrants that made this country what it is today. Todays immigrants EXPECT handouts. That is why they come here. They exploit the system by procreating here. Once they have a child born in the US they are now entitled to funds and services that they have not contributed too. Hence where the term "anchor babies" came from.

Over 330 billion dollars are spent on services to illegal immigrants and their children. None of it will ever be repaid even if all of their children became lawyers. The burden of payment relys soley on the American taxpayers, not the illegal immigrants.

So in short we reward irresponsible and abusive behavior at the expense of someone else. The illegals know this. That is why they exploit this country for their own personal gain. Because it is easier to steal from another country rather than make your own country great. This is why certain countries will never evolve.
HoneyC

Carrollton, GA

#2 Apr 18, 2009
Her first sentence is a lie, so why believe anything she has to say after that?
Thesamebs

United States

#3 Apr 18, 2009
Why should an illegal immigrant be able to get in state tuition, when a student who lives right across the river from Oregon, has to pay out of state tuition.
Lenny P

Silver Spring, MD

#4 Apr 18, 2009
This whole "illegal" immigrant is bogus and only serves to distract us from the real issues. The US right wing realizes that their attacks on Black Americans are going nowhere and will be coming back to bite them -- hard. So now they need a new "black" class, enter the Hispanics. Rather than deal with issues and surrender some of their stolen assets, the right wing points to another scapegoat. We can afford to send every child to be educated but those with gold madness prefer to keep their coffers as great as their greed.

Hispanic Americans are Americans, as am I though I hail from Brooklyn, NY (arguably a part of this country.) Country's borders change -- CA, TX, AZ, NM were stolen from the people that lived there. Hispanic Americans have just as much right as you and I to be here. Further, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution makes it absolutely clear that the rights we "claim" as citizens have nothing to do with governments -- they are inalienable, endowed by our "creator." Bienvienido mis amigos!
SOCIALIST

Silver Spring, MD

#5 Apr 18, 2009
wow......
HoneyC

Carrollton, GA

#6 Apr 18, 2009
Lenny P wrote:
This whole "illegal" immigrant is bogus and only serves to distract us from the real issues. The US right wing realizes that their attacks on Black Americans are going nowhere and will be coming back to bite them -- hard. So now they need a new "black" class, enter the Hispanics. Rather than deal with issues and surrender some of their stolen assets, the right wing points to another scapegoat. We can afford to send every child to be educated but those with gold madness prefer to keep their coffers as great as their greed.
Hispanic Americans are Americans, as am I though I hail from Brooklyn, NY (arguably a part of this country.) Country's borders change -- CA, TX, AZ, NM were stolen from the people that lived there. Hispanic Americans have just as much right as you and I to be here. Further, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution makes it absolutely clear that the rights we "claim" as citizens have nothing to do with governments -- they are inalienable, endowed by our "creator." Bienvienido mis amigos!
Dude, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the land that DC sits on was also stolen. The whole East Coast was stolen. Were you absent that day from history class? I have to admit, though, I AM intrigued by these attacks on black Americans. Which ones would you be referring to? The Emancipation Proclamation springs to mind as a Republican conspiracy. Is that what you are talking about? Just wondering.....
Thesamebs

United States

#8 Apr 18, 2009
Lenny P wrote:
This whole "illegal" immigrant is bogus and only serves to distract us from the real issues. The US right wing realizes that their attacks on Black Americans are going nowhere and will be coming back to bite them -- hard. So now they need a new "black" class, enter the Hispanics. Rather than deal with issues and surrender some of their stolen assets, the right wing points to another scapegoat. We can afford to send every child to be educated but those with gold madness prefer to keep their coffers as great as their greed.
Hispanic Americans are Americans, as am I though I hail from Brooklyn, NY (arguably a part of this country.) Country's borders change -- CA, TX, AZ, NM were stolen from the people that lived there. Hispanic Americans have just as much right as you and I to be here. Further, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution makes it absolutely clear that the rights we "claim" as citizens have nothing to do with governments -- they are inalienable, endowed by our "creator." Bienvienido mis amigos!
OK

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#9 Apr 18, 2009
HoneyC wrote:
Her first sentence is a lie, so why believe anything she has to say after that?
I thought the same thing when I read this. She can't be both an illegal alien (immigrant, my arse)*and* a citizen. What a loon!

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#10 Apr 18, 2009
Lenny P wrote:
This whole "illegal" immigrant is bogus and only serves to distract us from the real issues. The US right wing realizes that their attacks on Black Americans are going nowhere and will be coming back to bite them -- hard. So now they need a new "black" class, enter the Hispanics. Rather than deal with issues and surrender some of their stolen assets, the right wing points to another scapegoat. We can afford to send every child to be educated but those with gold madness prefer to keep their coffers as great as their greed.
Hispanic Americans are Americans, as am I though I hail from Brooklyn, NY (arguably a part of this country.) Country's borders change -- CA, TX, AZ, NM were stolen from the people that lived there. Hispanic Americans have just as much right as you and I to be here. Further, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution makes it absolutely clear that the rights we "claim" as citizens have nothing to do with governments -- they are inalienable, endowed by our "creator." Bienvienido mis amigos!
What attacks on Black Americans? Smoking too much, are you?

We can't even afford to send all of our own to school, so there is no way we can afford to send the whole country to school. Or are you privvy to a money tree and can pay for everyone?

Work for what you have, and no one should benefit from someone else's hard work. Take your socialist crap somewhere else. I'm sure there are socialist countries out there you could immigrate to (legally, of course).

No, there is no stolen land. Put down the La Raza handbook and get back in school. Mexican-American War (we won), Treaty of Hidalgo, and Gadsden Purchase. That land was legally won and bought. Mexico owned it between 29 and 32 years (depending which land you're talking about). Someone owned it before Mexico for a lot longer than that, and we have owned it for 160 years. Get over it. Seller's remorse is not a legal term and does not hold any weight in getting back that which you legally sold.

Inalienable rights are not endowed by our creator, moron. They are endowed by our government. God didn't write anything about inalienable rights.
HoneyC

Carrollton, GA

#11 Apr 19, 2009
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
What attacks on Black Americans? Smoking too much, are you?
We can't even afford to send all of our own to school, so there is no way we can afford to send the whole country to school. Or are you privvy to a money tree and can pay for everyone?
Work for what you have, and no one should benefit from someone else's hard work. Take your socialist crap somewhere else. I'm sure there are socialist countries out there you could immigrate to (legally, of course).
No, there is no stolen land. Put down the La Raza handbook and get back in school. Mexican-American War (we won), Treaty of Hidalgo, and Gadsden Purchase. That land was legally won and bought. Mexico owned it between 29 and 32 years (depending which land you're talking about). Someone owned it before Mexico for a lot longer than that, and we have owned it for 160 years. Get over it. Seller's remorse is not a legal term and does not hold any weight in getting back that which you legally sold.
Inalienable rights are not endowed by our creator, moron. They are endowed by our government. God didn't write anything about inalienable rights.
Let's say we were going to give it back. Wouldn't it go back to the Apaches, the Navajo, the Comanches, the Yana, the Yahi, etc? The last I checked, they were the original inhabitants before the conquistadors and Jesuits tried to wipe them out. And why is some guy from NYC all in a tizzy about it? Wasn't that Algonquin territory? If we have to give the land back to whoever might be left from the tribes of the southwest, then the high and mighty New Yorkers need to do the same. I know for sure which tribes were ruling the roost where I live, and none of them were part of the "Mexican" tribes. You'd think an omnipotent being like God would know this type of information.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#12 Apr 19, 2009
[QUOTE who="Lenny P"

This whole "illegal" immigrant is bogus and only serves to distract us from the real issues. The US right wing realizes that their attacks on Black Americans are going nowhere and will be coming back to bite them -- hard.
[/QUOTE]

"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive,
Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.

In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.



The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.$500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12?

Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?

We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands'-- or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer."



Dr. William Henry "Bill" Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#13 Apr 19, 2009
Cricket 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
"They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive,
Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.$500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?
Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands'-- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer."
Dr. William Henry "Bill" Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.
LOL - good one.

And, with Obama as President, any blacks who want to claim what Lenny claimed or insist whites are "holding them back" clearly are the only ones holding themselves back. Where there's a will there's a way, and color matters not.

“"One for the claws"”

Since: Jul 08

Sin City, U.S.A.

#14 Apr 19, 2009
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
What attacks on Black Americans? Smoking too much, are you?
We can't even afford to send all of our own to school, so there is no way we can afford to send the whole country to school. Or are you privvy to a money tree and can pay for everyone?
Work for what you have, and no one should benefit from someone else's hard work. Take your socialist crap somewhere else. I'm sure there are socialist countries out there you could immigrate to (legally, of course).
No, there is no stolen land. Put down the La Raza handbook and get back in school. Mexican-American War (we won), Treaty of Hidalgo, and Gadsden Purchase. That land was legally won and bought. Mexico owned it between 29 and 32 years (depending which land you're talking about). Someone owned it before Mexico for a lot longer than that, and we have owned it for 160 years. Get over it. Seller's remorse is not a legal term and does not hold any weight in getting back that which you legally sold.
Inalienable rights are not endowed by our creator, moron. They are endowed by our government. God didn't write anything about inalienable rights.
My understanding is after the Mexican-American war we could have had a lot more of Mexico then what we did get. All the way to Mexico city. Seems we gave some back. We could claim that we were lending it to them and now want it back.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#15 Apr 19, 2009
Alleycat1 wrote:
<quoted text>My understanding is after the Mexican-American war we could have had a lot more of Mexico then what we did get. All the way to Mexico city. Seems we gave some back. We could claim that we were lending it to them and now want it back.
LOL! They only want it now because we made it what it is today...and Mexico City would not be a prize, that's for sure.

Of course, we *could* do that and see what they say. They'd probably agree just to try to get free things, and then when it's looking good, claim they changed their minds.
Colorado

Littleton, CO

#16 Apr 19, 2009
The first sentence is interesting for sure.
There was an illegal alien man in Chicago practicing law, however, his law degree is in MX. He's now in prison for unlawfully representing
illegal aliens!
john

Dallas, TX

#17 Apr 19, 2009
Their first arrest should give the US government the document it needs to kick these illegal invaders out. Today is Patriot's Day please report an illegal.

“"One for the claws"”

Since: Jul 08

Sin City, U.S.A.

#18 Apr 19, 2009
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! They only want it now because we made it what it is today...and Mexico City would not be a prize, that's for sure.
Of course, we *could* do that and see what they say. They'd probably agree just to try to get free things, and then when it's looking good, claim they changed their minds.
It is still ours. We won it in a war. We lent it to them. Since they haven't done squat to improve it we want it back. Of course we'll have to kick the tenants out. Then there is the rebuilding or redecorating. But hell,if we can do it in Iraq Mexico should be a breeze.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#19 Apr 21, 2009
American Citizens,not illegal alien students!

Kyleah Jacobs, a senior at Raines High School, didn't believe she could go to college.

Raised by a single mother on a tight budget, she thought there was no way she could afford tuition. Jacobs' GPA is only a 2.4, good enough to get into some colleges but not good enough, she thought, for academic scholarships.

But this fall Jacobs will be a college student.

She will study nursing at Florida Community College at Jacksonville because of a scholarship from the Jacksonville Commitment, a program that helps low-income students in Duval County schools attend local colleges. The program was paid for with local donations and $1 million from the Jacksonville Journey anti-crime initiative. It is meant to help students improve themselves - and possibly avoid a life of crime - by getting a college education.

Jacobs said she's grateful for the scholarship but thinks it wouldn't have been possible without someone pushing her to make it happen. That someone was Rutubula Pettaway, a college adviser for the Jacksonville Commitment.

"She made it seem like I could do it, like I know I can go," Jacobs said. "She kind of gave me hope, even though that sounds kind of corny."

The program has set up paid college advisers at Raines, Ribault, Lee, Terry Parker and Englewood high schools to help guide at-risk students to college.

Although other guidance counselors deal with a litany of issues, such as scheduling and helping students through personal problems, these advisers just focus on college. If the students they follow are struggling, the advisers can help find them a tutor.

University of North Florida President John Delaney and former Sheriff Nat Glover were the driving force in creating the Jacksonville Commitment last spring as a way to "invest in the future."

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/school ...

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#20 Apr 21, 2009
Cricket 23 wrote:
American Citizens,not illegal alien students!
Kyleah Jacobs, a senior at Raines High School, didn't believe she could go to college.
Raised by a single mother on a tight budget, she thought there was no way she could afford tuition. Jacobs' GPA is only a 2.4, good enough to get into some colleges but not good enough, she thought, for academic scholarships.
But this fall Jacobs will be a college student.
She will study nursing at Florida Community College at Jacksonville because of a scholarship from the Jacksonville Commitment, a program that helps low-income students in Duval County schools attend local colleges. The program was paid for with local donations and $1 million from the Jacksonville Journey anti-crime initiative. It is meant to help students improve themselves - and possibly avoid a life of crime - by getting a college education.
Jacobs said she's grateful for the scholarship but thinks it wouldn't have been possible without someone pushing her to make it happen. That someone was Rutubula Pettaway, a college adviser for the Jacksonville Commitment.
"She made it seem like I could do it, like I know I can go," Jacobs said. "She kind of gave me hope, even though that sounds kind of corny."
The program has set up paid college advisers at Raines, Ribault, Lee, Terry Parker and Englewood high schools to help guide at-risk students to college.
Although other guidance counselors deal with a litany of issues, such as scheduling and helping students through personal problems, these advisers just focus on college. If the students they follow are struggling, the advisers can help find them a tutor.
University of North Florida President John Delaney and former Sheriff Nat Glover were the driving force in creating the Jacksonville Commitment last spring as a way to "invest in the future."
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/school ...
That program sounds fantastic. All these people keep saying citizens have no problems getting a college education, and that simply is not true. Why would anyone advocate putting illegal aliens ahead of citizens? It makes no sense.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Carleton College Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News All religions are needed to better human existence Feb '16 jinxi 2
News Warren in Minnesota: 'The game is rigged' (Oct '14) Oct '14 Le Jimbo 20
News Carleton's 27th Annual Chesley Lecture Addresse... (Jan '13) Jan '13 PHD 6
News Feds won't act against journalist in US illegally (Oct '12) Oct '12 Dee Dee Dee 12
News Arrested illegal immigrant journalist won't fac... (Oct '12) Oct '12 Bridgework 21
News At Home on Campus: Top 25 LGBT Colleges and Uni... (Aug '12) Aug '12 FaFoxy 1
News New St. Mary's president preps for school (Aug '12) Aug '12 SquawkingWildGoose 1
More from around the web