Change in church policy allows gays i...

Change in church policy allows gays in ministry

There are 17 comments on the Ventura County Star story from Jun 26, 2011, titled Change in church policy allows gays in ministry. In it, Ventura County Star reports that:

For years, Guy Erwin worked toward becoming a Lutheran minister, knowing the whole time his church wouldn't ordain him because he is gay.

Now Erwin, 53, is one of two California Lutheran University professors who were ordained recently because the Lutheran and Episcopal churches changed their policies on ordaining gay and lesbian clergy ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Jun 27, 2011
from Ventura County Star:

"The two ordinations represent significant shifts in both the Lutheran and Episcopal churches — shifts that also have caused painful rifts. In 1989, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America introduced a policy saying it would ordain gay and lesbian clergy only if they were celibate. The church changed that policy in 2009, so that it now ordains gay and lesbian clergy in monogamous, committed relationships. The Episcopal Church also decided to ordain gay and lesbian clergy in 2009.

"Both churches have been torn apart over the issue. Conservative Episcopal churches have formed their own group, the Anglican Church in North America. Some Lutheran churches also have left and are starting to form a separate organization ..."

Conservative Episcopal churches are actually orthodox Episcopal churches.
True witness

United States

#2 Jun 27, 2011
Why do you post so much on this topic?

Are you for homosexuality in the church or not?

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#3 Jun 27, 2011
This is a good point.

From the article:

CLU benefits, though, by having professors who also are ordained clergy, Maxwell-Doherty said.

"Their primary role is to teach and serve as mentors," she said. "But that pastoral role is there, as well. Students who are discerning their own call to the ministry will seek them out as role models."

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#4 Jun 27, 2011
True witness wrote:
Why do you post so much on this topic?...
14 hrs ago | Posted by: roboblogger

Change in church policy allows gays in ministry

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#5 Jun 27, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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14 hrs ago | Posted by: roboblogger
Change in church policy allows gays in ministry
Too embarrassed to give a forthright answer, Joe?

True Witness gives you a valid question.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#6 Jun 28, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Too embarrassed to give a forthright answer, Joe?...
Ken, you're the embarassment here, and my name isn't "roboblogger".

The fact that many GLBT stories auto-link to TEC has more to do with you and the other so-called clergy of your denomination than with the editor of this unfortunate forum.

“For this reason...”

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#7 Jun 28, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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14 hrs ago | Posted by: roboblogger
Next thing you know McMike will chime in and call roboblogger "a fk'n closet case".

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#8 Jun 28, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Ken, you're the embarassment here, and my name isn't "roboblogger".
The fact that many GLBT stories auto-link to TEC has more to do with you and the other so-called clergy of your denomination than with the editor of this unfortunate forum.
You again reveal yourself for your foolishness.

You were asked why you so frequently post statements about gay issues. Which you obviously do. In fact, you are usually the very first to reply with a post to any article presented about g/l/b/t issues as they relate to The Episcopal Church - whether the thread topic is your own selection as an editor here or to Rotoblogger's thread topics or any other.

True's question is valid and YOU obviously are avoiding giving an answer.

Do you also post directly to the GLBT Forum?

Another question, since you are so forthright in answering, of late:

Why do you characterize yourself as "editor of this unfortunate Forum?"

Since you regularly consider yourself editorially responsible both for thread topics and for setting the tone of reply by most frequently answering your own thread with the very first post, why do you regard it as "unfortunate?"

Is this how you see yourself?

Rev. Ken
True witness

United States

#9 Jun 29, 2011
Since homosexuality is allowed in any church of Christendom, that ferments the all of Christendom.
Collossians 5:9

That is why all religion is symbolically called a whore or harlot in the book of Revelation. As the queen mother of all false religion including Christian religions, she is condemned to total destruction. Anyone who remains in a church that allows what God's word directly condemns will be destroyed forever as well. Revelation 18:4

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#10 Jun 29, 2011
True witness wrote:
Since homosexuality is allowed in any church of Christendom, that ferments the all of Christendom.
Collossians 5:9
That is why all religion is symbolically called a whore or harlot in the book of Revelation. As the queen mother of all false religion including Christian religions, she is condemned to total destruction. Anyone who remains in a church that allows what God's word directly condemns will be destroyed forever as well. Revelation 18:4
I hope you are aware of this commandment. It forbids the worship of books and ink on paper as a god.

Exodus 20:2-4
New International Version (NIV)

2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

And another version.

Deuteronomy 5:6-8
New International Version (NIV)

6 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

7 “You shall have no other gods before me.

8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#11 Jun 29, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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I hope you are aware of this commandment. It forbids the worship of books and ink on paper as a god.
Exodus 20:2-4
New International Version (NIV)
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
And another version.
Deuteronomy 5:6-8
New International Version (NIV)
6 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7 “You shall have no other gods before me.
8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Ding!

The bell, the bell, must quote scripture at random.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#12 Jun 29, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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You again reveal yourself for your foolishness ...
No Ken, when it comes to embarassing revelations, you tke the cake.
Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#13 Jul 8, 2011
Holding to the Bible is not worshiping a book and ink. The only way to know God beyond what nature and conscience can teach us is by listening to what he says. Outside of God's Word, the Bible, there is no knowledge of Jesus Christ, his death to bear the punishment of our sins, his glorious resurrection to rule all things for the benefit of the church, and the sending of the Spirit to give us faith. Someone once asked Karl Barth, who was a very liberal Lutheran theologian, was once asked, "What is the most profound religious thought you have ever heard?" His answer was, "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so."

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#14 Jul 9, 2011
Listen to the Word wrote:
Holding to the Bible is not worshiping a book and ink. The only way to know God beyond what nature and conscience can teach us is by listening to what he says. Outside of God's Word, the Bible, there is no knowledge of Jesus Christ, his death to bear the punishment of our sins, his glorious resurrection to rule all things for the benefit of the church, and the sending of the Spirit to give us faith. Someone once asked Karl Barth, who was a very liberal Lutheran theologian, was once asked, "What is the most profound religious thought you have ever heard?" His answer was, "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so."
Really? Saul of Tarsus never heard Christ Jesus preach. We know he had some cerebral incident on a road trip to Damascus that caused him temporary blindness and caused him to have 'a vision'. However, that isn't the same as 'knowing Christ Jesus', unless you want to count seeing Christ Jesus face on a wall of mildew as some claimed.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#15 Jul 9, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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Really? Saul of Tarsus never heard Christ Jesus preach. We know he had some cerebral incident on a road trip to Damascus that caused him temporary blindness and caused him to have 'a vision'...
Like everything else in your life, you have it backwards.

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#16 Jul 9, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No Ken, when it comes to embarassing revelations, you tke the cake.
LOL!!!....

Says WHO? YOU?

I am not embarrassed by anything I have written on these posts - and why should I be?

My positions in these issues are consistent and founded upon the truth. If that truth is a source of embarrassment to anyone, so be it. I seek the truth, just as I have always been encouraged by the Lord, Christ Jesus to do.

Got a problem with that, Joe?

Obviously, you do.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#17 Jul 9, 2011
RevKen wrote:
I am not embarrassed by anything I have written on these posts - and why should I be?...
Because you're an episcopal priest?

Says WHO? YOU!

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