Occupy Long Beach marches downtown

Occupy Long Beach marches downtown

There are 35 comments on the Press-Telegram story from Oct 8, 2011, titled Occupy Long Beach marches downtown. In it, Press-Telegram reports that:

Protesters with Occupy Long Beach met Saturday morning in front of the Long Beach Performing Arts Center and marched along Ocean Boulevard.

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Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#21 Oct 9, 2011
sonny and cher wrote:
The tea-partiers were generally over 50, had college educations, and jobs. The "occupy my butt cheeks" protesters are generally in their teens and early twenties, not college-educated, not what anyone would call well-read, and jobless.
They are mostly the socially dysfunctional who would be in the exact same life position had the Hispanic Housing Meltdown never occurred. Living at mom's house, texting to Facebook on their iPhones.
Question: How can you folks protest for a solution when you don't even understand a fraction of the problem?
sonny and cher.

You make a good point. Visualizing the taxpayer funded "make work" projects following the revolution, the revolutionaries who had seized control of taxpayer financed academia advised "the children" to undergo taxpayer funded political indoctrination at taxpayer financed Government controlled universities. The revolutionaries gave stiff warning that anyone failing to heed their self-interested advice might result in, unlike themselves, being subject to engaging in a lifetime of productive labor. They also told their prospects that they "could be anything they wanted to be". The declining quality of life of all elements of American society provides ample evidence of the numbers who took the advice, whether or not they had the intellectual capacity to preform.

The revolutionary protesters of the 60s 70s were well motivated through the self-interest in avoiding being drafted into fulfilling their obligation to preform national service. Today's well fed and well cared cared for protesters - often at the expense of the hard working taxpaying minority - have no such motivation to inspire them into burning all our major cities as the 60s 70s revolutionaries *(now in power)* once did.

One of the hardest things for us to come to terms with is our own place in the scheme of things. Unlike the revolutionary 60s 70s people who made such a mess of things, today's protesters must set realistic objectives for themselves. For example, field hand workers are in short supply in many States. Unemployment is simply a non issue for anyone desiring to engage in gainful employment.

The 60s 70s revolutionaries *(now in power)* seized control of the richest and most "democratic" nation the world has ever seen. We see the effects of that ill conceived misadventure all around us today. In today's more competitive world we can ill afford making the same mistakes in the future as they made of the past. Today's protesters must get busy repairing the damage.

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Ronald
Alfred E Newman

Westminster, CA

#22 Oct 9, 2011
Nothing I love to see more....

than

Lawyers getting rich

off

the ignorant.

Rack em up "boys in blue" ... sweet cue shot to the budget comin' right up
goldilocks

Long Beach, CA

#23 Oct 9, 2011
Ronald wrote:
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sonny and cher.
You make a good point. Visualizing the taxpayer funded "make work" projects following the revolution, the revolutionaries who had seized control of taxpayer financed academia advised "the children" to undergo taxpayer funded political indoctrination at taxpayer financed Government controlled universities. The revolutionaries gave stiff warning that anyone failing to heed their self-interested advice might result in, unlike themselves, being subject to engaging in a lifetime of productive labor. They also told their prospects that they "could be anything they wanted to be". The declining quality of life of all elements of American society provides ample evidence of the numbers who took the advice, whether or not they had the intellectual capacity to preform.
The revolutionary protesters of the 60s 70s were well motivated through the self-interest in avoiding being drafted into fulfilling their obligation to preform national service. Today's well fed and well cared cared for protesters - often at the expense of the hard working taxpaying minority - have no such motivation to inspire them into burning all our major cities as the 60s 70s revolutionaries *(now in power)* once did.
One of the hardest things for us to come to terms with is our own place in the scheme of things. Unlike the revolutionary 60s 70s people who made such a mess of things, today's protesters must set realistic objectives for themselves. For example, field hand workers are in short supply in many States. Unemployment is simply a non issue for anyone desiring to engage in gainful employment.
The 60s 70s revolutionaries *(now in power)* seized control of the richest and most "democratic" nation the world has ever seen. We see the effects of that ill conceived misadventure all around us today. In today's more competitive world we can ill afford making the same mistakes in the future as they made of the past. Today's protesters must get busy repairing the damage.
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Ronald
Ron, an issue is that even though we won the battles in 1776-1787, 1812, and 1861-65, the foe wasn't defeated. Now, as we are nearly fully subjected to their system that wasn't defeated, and is blowing apart, the question is are still whole enough to make it through and remain as the founders set us up in 1789.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#24 Oct 9, 2011
goldilocks wrote:
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Ron, an issue is that even though we won the battles in 1776-1787, 1812, and 1861-65, the foe wasn't defeated. Now, as we are nearly fully subjected to their system that wasn't defeated, and is blowing apart, the question is are still whole enough to make it through and remain as the founders set us up in 1789.
I don't understand. Do you think that the existence of the U.S. itself is being threatened right now, or just the current economic wellbeing?
Bob Lewis

Phelan, CA

#25 Oct 9, 2011
Occupy Long Beach is a good thing.
It is about time citizens stood tall for their families against the never ending greed of the Publ Empl Unions and the half witted Gangster political hacks who pretend to be Democrats at election time in Long Beach.
goldilocks

AOL

#26 Oct 9, 2011
Insane messiah wrote:
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I don't understand. Do you think that the existence of the U.S. itself is being threatened right now, or just the current economic wellbeing?
Well ya, that's been the battle for well over 100 years - nation state system vs global corporatism. FDR saved us last time, this time let's see.
goldilocks

AOL

#27 Oct 9, 2011

Since: Sep 10

United States

#28 Oct 9, 2011
goldilocks wrote:
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Well ya, that's been the battle for well over 100 years - nation state system vs global corporatism. FDR saved us last time, this time let's see.
What do you think should be done in order to prevent global corporatism from continuing on its current path?
goldilocks

Long Beach, CA

#29 Oct 9, 2011
Insane messiah wrote:
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Why would Obama want to destroy capitalism?
I like your style - direct. Well, I know what would work is Glass-Steagal and credit for big tech infrastructure. But, I'm kinda partial to deeper change that can only possibly be in play with a deeep discontinuity.
sonny and cher

United States

#30 Oct 9, 2011
Insane messiah wrote:
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I don't think that in 21 days of this whole occupy thing that anyone can accurately describe exactly who these people are.
But anyway, what do you think the problem is, and what is the solution?
A significant part of the problem is a liberal welfare state and an economically dysfunctional nation right beside it. The rich elite of Mexico are actively dropping a population bomb onto the United States, simply to protect their interests in Mexico. Imagine if the "poor" of Mexico had no choice but to remain in Mexico. How long before the rich elite of that country would be confronted by mobs wherever they tried to rest in that country?
Using the United States as a pressure valve relieves them of having to deal with mass organized demonstrations and riots.

The vast majority of people in default so far are hispanic. Too many of them legal and illegal immigrants. Years ago, though it seemed to make no sense at the time, BofA and Wells Fargo announced they would allow illegals to open bank accounts with tax ID numbers. It was the last thing stopping illegals from "buying" a home, and leaving Freddie and Fannie on the hook.

Yet Obama is still allowing Freddie and Fannie to "secure" loans to people with questionable ability to pay it back. Why didn't he either freeze F and F for a few years, or curtail it dramatically?

Wall Street shouldn't be blamed. Their job is amoral: to make money according to the rules set up by the government. If the demonstrators want to make any sense, they should be filling the Washington mall, and camping in front of the White House.

If Obama, or any sitting president, were a patriot, he wouldn't be administrating in terms of re-election. He'd be making decisions in terms of saving this country from financial ruin. This would likely include decisions that would make re-election impossible.

It's not fair. It's not right, but that's the way it is for anyone rational. Sometimes you have to take the hit for the team.

Hedge funders don't need to exist. If they insist, they should be transparent and regulated. By regulated, I mean they should be allowed less margin to trade on. Let them do it with their own money. Derivative instruments should be severely curtailed. We did fine for hundreds of years without derivative contracts.

In summary, secure the borders by making it extremely difficult to build a life here without being a legal immigrant. Eliminate the anchor baby clause, which was never intended for hispanic illegal immigrants. They'll then self-deport.
Freeze Freddie and Fannie for 5 years. Enact emergency legislation to disempower any further derivative financial interments, and eliminate margin privelidges for hedge funders, as well as demand full transparency reported quarterly. Also.. don't allow anyone to buy a house for the next five years who isn't going to live in it, with proof, for the next five years. That would eliminate the "flippers" who are currently getting in between distressed sellers, and real buyers.

Any president who did this wouldn't be re-elected. Lincoln would have preferred not to oversee a civil war either. You do what you have to do for the good of the country, imo.
Seth Adams

Phelan, CA

#31 Oct 10, 2011
Insane messiah wrote:
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Why would Obama want to destroy capitalism?
I don't have any idea what his motivations might be for engendering so much HATRED among the American people. I own the shame and dishonor of having actually VOTED for Obama. Yikes!

Today, I'm trying to figure out why Calif. parents don't measure up to loving parents in the other 49 States. Passage of the DREAM ACT in Sacramento must mean that majority Democratic voters in Calif. think of themselves more as Sperm or Egg Donors than loving, caring American parents. That is terrifying.
nobiggy

Anaheim, CA

#32 Oct 11, 2011
This is all occurring due to Obama's failure to act decisively. He's in over his head, and was elected due to the racist leanings of most of those who voted for him. Now they're milling around in the streets with no idea of even what to protest, organized by Obama's past lackeys, and they're too stupid to put it all together.
Nothing of any historical note will be accomplished until Obama is safely out of office come next election. For now, he's a lame duck president.
Sue Robbins

Phelan, CA

#33 Oct 11, 2011
So sad to see these young people are being manipulated as Union stooges around the Nation in these OCCUPY rallys.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#34 Oct 11, 2011
It is hard to side with the occupiers. After all, most of them are the partisan brown shirted shock-troops of those who have caused, and who are perpetuating the disastrous economic and social problems the nation faces today. Most of them show little gratitude for being able to enjoy lifelong leisure and support that is provided them by their hard working taxpaying minority community benefactors. Even so, their message has a degree of validity.

Following the revolution, the radical revolutionaries seized control of most key Governmental positions as well as all levels of taxpayer funded academia. The revolutionary intelligentsia also took over what is commonly referred to as "Wall Street", including the Government licensed and Government controlled Big Banks.

These seizures enabled 60s 70s era revolutionary politicians to create the legal framework that allowed revolutionary Government to reorganize society in such a manner so as to correspond with revolutionary objectives, including the disastrous use of hard earned taxpayer money to reorganize established communities along revolutionary and politically correct racial lines.
High paid revolutionary academics spent their time issuing "scholarly papers" formulating "new economy" theories, including dispelling the idea that the formation of capital is necessary to ensuring the well being of any modern industrial society, and that savings is a necessary prerequisite to the formation of that capital. After all, after seizing control of what was then Rhodesia, revolutionary Robert Mugabe transformed Zimbabwe into what it is today merely by printing up Zimbabwe Dollars.

All this preparation by the politicians and the high paid taxpayer funded academics allowed the revolutionaries who took over "Wall Street" to plunder the nation. Here is a short film describing the near 10 year long party the Wall Street revolutionaries held.

Source: http://goo.gl/Ifj5j

Ronald
Frees Beach

Long Beach, CA

#35 Oct 22, 2011
Insane messiah wrote:
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Why would Obama want to destroy capitalism?
I don't know if Obama *wants* to destroy capitalism, but it's clear he doesn't understand it, its history or how it works. This is easily seen because his solution to unemployment is raising taxes to hire (or keep) costly government employees. His "government knows best" top-down policies are antithetical to the free market.

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