Catholic College's ''No Contraceptives'' Health Plan Discriminatory, EEOC Charges

Aug 11, 2009 Full story: Global Catholic Network EWTN 27

Belmont, N.C., Aug 11, 2009 .- Revisiting a case that had been thought closed, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has ruled that Belmont Abbey College's decision to remove contraception from its faculty health care policy, in accordance with Catholic teaching, discriminated against women.

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Neighborman

Stanfield, NC

#1 Aug 12, 2009
The college is right...the government is wrong! More examples of government intrusion.
Maybe Maybe Not

Charlotte, NC

#2 Aug 14, 2009
How is it discrimination? If they want to be on the pill they can pay for it out of pocket. Contraception has never been a Catholic belief. It's been in their doctrine for years. I would argue it's discrimination against the church to force them to provide a service (health care plan) that's against their beliefs.

Catholics are a much smaller minority globally than women, keep that in mind.
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#3 Aug 14, 2009
It is more against the beliefs of the employee to limit their choices per federal law. The Church cannot discriminate against an employee's beliefs, in this case, woman's right to choose.

But It does show how out of touch with society the leadership is with the laws of this country. Not a big surprise since they seem very willing to circumvent many laws. Such as obstruction of justice and money-laundering.
critalp

Charlotte, NC

#4 Aug 14, 2009
thy bard, ye are quite insane... aren't thy?
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#5 Aug 15, 2009
The truth seems insane to you not me.

What does say of you?

What is so insane about reading the news? then having an opine of?

Moving money across international boundaries to avoid punitive court rulings is in fact money-laundering and obstruction of justice.

The Abbey or the Church unwilling to accept the laws of a country as valid? As old as the church itself. I have witnessed this pride and self-indulgence all too often. Tis pride that led to the court room to begin.
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#6 Aug 17, 2009
I guess thy Bard needeth not speaketh of "I toldeth so!"

Yes, thy Bard is very rarely wrong! Now suppose that thy Bard's other ramblings are correct. Bad indeed.

Naa, na, na, naa, na....
Who Knows

Charlotte, NC

#7 Aug 17, 2009
Why should the Roman Catholic church have to condone abortions in their employee health care plan when it's against the very core of their beliefs?
Why can't they offer any health care plan to the employees of the college they choose too, just like any other corporation in America? We are still in America right?
Perhaps they should consider cancelling the health care plan as my employer did earlier this year. Then they would have something to bitch about!
zblog

Charlotte, NC

#8 Aug 17, 2009
If the Abbey is willing to give up federal (taxpayer) funds, the governement will have no interest in their health plan-benefits. If you take public funds, it exposes you to public rules.
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#9 Aug 17, 2009
Its a multi-faceted issue. Yes, if the Abbey receives federal funds then those come with requirements. Also, they have a certain status as a "qualified" employer which also comes with a responsibility to observe employment laws, ie. an employee's rights under the law.

The Law has ruled as any reasonable person would assume. The Abbey obviously has very rich attorneys to be chasing the facts so blatantly.

They could "cancel" the health plan but then they would have a harder time than present to fill their staffs with quality people.

Their "core" beliefs are fine as long as they do not impede upon the liberty of another, then their core beliefs become intrusive. Its kinda the whole Constitution thingy we harp on about.
Maybe Maybe Not

Charlotte, NC

#10 Aug 17, 2009
What ever happened to separation of Church & State?
They are "the" church that modern Christianity is founded upon. Who is the State to tell them how to operate on matters of religious beliefs? Who was around first the Roman Catholic Church or The United States of Obama? Who's laws have not changed in 1000 years & who's laws change every 5 minutes?

Pray tell, why should the church follow man's law over God's law?
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#11 Aug 17, 2009
Maybe Maybe Not wrote:
What ever happened to separation of Church & State?
They are "the" church that modern Christianity is founded upon. Who is the State to tell them how to operate on matters of religious beliefs? Who was around first the Roman Catholic Church or The United States of Obama? Who's laws have not changed in 1000 years & who's laws change every 5 minutes?
Pray tell, why should the church follow man's law over God's law?
There is separation of church and state by order of providing liberty of worship for all citizens. The idea of religious freedom is incorporated within the state not establishing a state church. "Separation" is represented by not establishing preference, never mentioning recognition. We have always recognized established religions.

Once a church starts charging for services then their "charter" takes on additional responsibilities by dealing with the populace.

Jesus says giveth thine weak and meek!
Included in this would be pregnant victims of incest and rape.

Sorry, but the "Church" just keeps getting wackier and wackier. Moving money around to hide it, developing real estate, daily sex abuse charges, etc.

Perhaps some of that money would better be spent upon public relations.

God's Law has little to mention of abortion procedures. I mean the Old Testament has more than a few mentions of "stoning" but no mention of "trimesters".

And that is the key dear Lovers of Mary and Sacraments. It ain't that you're wrong, its just you ain't xactly right either. Too many abortion but some should be legal and funded. Splitting the hairs is where ya'll win lose.
Maybe Maybe Not

Charlotte, NC

#12 Aug 17, 2009
The Catholic Church has been pro-life since day one.
Why should they have to support contraception or abortion by offering it to employees in form of a health care plan?

If they did they would contradicting their own doctrine. It's black and white. They must stand by their core beliefs even if that means legal issues.
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#13 Aug 17, 2009
Not when it encroaches on the rights of others. It doesn't matter what you r stance is on any issue. You cannot impose your views upon the population.

AND that is black and white as in the court's ruling.

You cannot discriminate against someone no matter what you believe. At the end of the day, its an opinion. The Church has an opine where a good percent of their flock has a different opinion. AS you say, since "day one". Their philosophies have not changed since day one. This ain't a good thing.

Who is against a freaking rubber? How enlightened is that? How can someone with good sense go bare-backing with Belmont skanks?
CatholicPatriot

Sarasota, FL

#14 Aug 21, 2009
Thy Bard wrote:
It is more against the beliefs of the employee to limit their choices per federal law. The Church cannot discriminate against an employee's beliefs, in this case, woman's right to choose.
But It does show how out of touch with society the leadership is with the laws of this country. Not a big surprise since they seem very willing to circumvent many laws. Such as obstruction of justice and money-laundering.
First of all, an unnatural termination of pregnancy and unnatural birth control are not natural rights. Since they are not natural rights, no rights are violated by the schools policy. A third grader could figure that out.

Sencond, the school is a Catholic school and has the right to choose its own policies. The EEOC originally ruled it was not discriminatory. Then, the fascists pigs came to power in Washington DC and put pressure on the local EEOC office to reverse its previous ruiling in favor of the college.

Third, the EEOC nationwide has ignored discrimination against Catholics in almost every public univeristy and almost every public school system. The EEOC can drop dead.
CatholicPatriot

Sarasota, FL

#15 Aug 21, 2009
Here's a hint for the EEOC. When the Catholic population in a city is 28 percent Catholic and only three percent of the teachers in the local public schools and the local public university are Catholic, that is clear evidence that discrimination exists against Catholics.

Stupid idiots at the EEOC can't even do math.

Since: May 09

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#16 Aug 21, 2009
Thy Bard wrote:
Not when it encroaches on the rights of others. It doesn't matter what you r stance is on any issue. You cannot impose your views upon the population.
AND that is black and white as in the court's ruling.
You cannot discriminate against someone no matter what you believe. At the end of the day, its an opinion. The Church has an opine where a good percent of their flock has a different opinion. AS you say, since "day one". Their philosophies have not changed since day one. This ain't a good thing.
Who is against a freaking rubber? How enlightened is that? How can someone with good sense go bare-backing with Belmont skanks?
The Abbey should terminate their health plan, divide the money they save among their employees and let everyone open a health savings account. Then everyone can choose the coverage they want. I know that goes against your statist beliefs, Bsrd, but too bad!
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#17 Aug 21, 2009
They have that right. But then they might have a hard time bringing in quality employees.

A health savings account is a rich man's game sweetpea. It always was because a bunch of rich guys got together and thunk it up. Ahhhhaa!

Yep, Sir Robert, in there somewhere is the key to your own salvation. I promise. Empathy.

It is what they don't got and never had cause of living in a bubble.

OR the Abbey could keep out of POLITICS, stick with religion which has nothing to do with politics, the devil's domain.

I hold no illusion of the Church ever changing. NO need when you consider they are always right. They are infallible. ALmost God-Like.

And in there is their own personal salvations for I fear the Church disappoints its flock most of all when they become more than just a Church.

They must still dream of the days of theocracy when their word was law. But once again it and this is the REASON this country was founded.

Yes, sweetpeas my Brethren were running from the Catholics and their theocratic tendencies.
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#18 Aug 21, 2009
CatholicPatriot wrote:
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First of all, an unnatural termination of pregnancy and unnatural birth control are not natural rights. Since they are not natural rights, no rights are violated by the schools policy. A third grader could figure that out.
Sencond, the school is a Catholic school and has the right to choose its own policies. The EEOC originally ruled it was not discriminatory. Then, the fascists pigs came to power in Washington DC and put pressure on the local EEOC office to reverse its previous ruiling in favor of the college.
Third, the EEOC nationwide has ignored discrimination against Catholics in almost every public univeristy and almost every public school system. The EEOC can drop dead.
Natural Rights? DO you really want to have this discussion? for your theories do not show a good understanding of these things.

It is about a person's right to control their own body. They and them alone will answer to God for their judgement. It is not for man to judge.

Life has been defined in a court of law. It took a long time to get there but they did it. Why go backwards?

They have a right to choose their policies as long as they do not impede another's rights. Which in this case they did.

But let's break down the unnatural part of birth control cause by your logic we should have a big old AIDS epidemic or is the Church gonna stop premarital sex too? Like abstinence? LOL.
Yeah, that'll work THIS TIME. Even if it has never worked before. Isn't that the definition of insanity.

Catholics persecuted? Where? When? The Abbey has been sitting up there all to themselves for a 150 years after a less than stellar beginning and I can't remember ever hearing or seeing the persecution.

I can certainly remember a bunch of rich snotty Yankee kids who generally needed a good ole ass-whupping run around like they own the town but yet still no persecution.

Ain't nobody gonna buy the poor Catholic defense around here. It just don't fit.

But now the history books are full of the other way around. The Reformation? How about WWII and the Jews? And some Popes have definitely been a little mean to some people.

But yet does everybody always run them down for their past? Nope. Pretty much a big go in peace.

Until ya'll start telling citizens of this country how to live and what to believe and what they can do or not do with their bodies.

I mean the whole Priest thing? you know, I mean come on. Moving money offshore to fend off lawsuits? I grew up here. And everybody around here knew and knew for years but nobody EVER persecuted no one.

The Church NEEDS to worry about their flock. They should be busy cleaning up their Priesthood. And quit trying to be better than everybody else.

I mean look at us dregs. Soon as we found out Jimmy Baker was a crook, we run his ass out of town. We take out our trash; why can't ya'll do the same.
Thy Bard

Charlotte, NC

#19 Aug 21, 2009
CatholicPatriot wrote:
Here's a hint for the EEOC. When the Catholic population in a city is 28 percent Catholic and only three percent of the teachers in the local public schools and the local public university are Catholic, that is clear evidence that discrimination exists against Catholics.
Stupid idiots at the EEOC can't even do math.
28 percent Catholic? What town? It ain't here Sweetpea. Ya'll be the Injuns around here.

Good point though: All you Yankees who are Catholic. Here IS NOT like up there. Down here you be the minority. FOR a reason which if you don't know then you may want to find out lest someone tells you in a rude way.

The people in the South haven't been bred out. When you walk around Belmont, you are walking among the living descendants of the people ya'll were really, really mean to a long time ago. AND we got what they call, generational memory.

Understand? We don't trust you. Your OK. You can be a fine neighbor. But at the end of the day, we have genetic memory of your fundamentalist natures.

We are VERY different. We look at religion very differently. We ARE NOT the sheep looking for shepherds. We don;t like shepherds. We will read the Bible ourselves and worship as we please.

Its why we came here.

Period. You don't want to go there.

Much as the current little issue.
CatholicPatriot

Sarasota, FL

#20 Aug 24, 2009
Thy Bard wrote:
<quoted text>
Natural Rights? DO you really want to have this discussion? for your theories do not show a good understanding of these things.
It is about a person's right to control their own body. They and them alone will answer to God for their judgement. It is not for man to judge.
Life has been defined in a court of law. It took a long time to get there but they did it. Why go backwards?
They have a right to choose their policies as long as they do not impede another's rights. Which in this case they did.
But let's break down the unnatural part of birth control cause by your logic we should have a big old AIDS epidemic or is the Church gonna stop premarital sex too? Like abstinence? LOL.
Yeah, that'll work THIS TIME. Even if it has never worked before. Isn't that the definition of insanity.
Catholics persecuted? Where? When? The Abbey has been sitting up there all to themselves for a 150 years after a less than stellar beginning and I can't remember ever hearing or seeing the persecution.
I can certainly remember a bunch of rich snotty Yankee kids who generally needed a good ole ass-whupping run around like they own the town but yet still no persecution.
Ain't nobody gonna buy the poor Catholic defense around here. It just don't fit.
But now the history books are full of the other way around. The Reformation? How about WWII and the Jews? And some Popes have definitely been a little mean to some people.
But yet does everybody always run them down for their past? Nope. Pretty much a big go in peace.
Until ya'll start telling citizens of this country how to live and what to believe and what they can do or not do with their bodies.
I mean the whole Priest thing? you know, I mean come on. Moving money offshore to fend off lawsuits? I grew up here. And everybody around here knew and knew for years but nobody EVER persecuted no one.
The Church NEEDS to worry about their flock. They should be busy cleaning up their Priesthood. And quit trying to be better than everybody else.
I mean look at us dregs. Soon as we found out Jimmy Baker was a crook, we run his ass out of town. We take out our trash; why can't ya'll do the same.
First, Anglo-Saxons were civilized by Irish Monks and French Priests. They have been going backwards toward barbarism for centuries.
Second, If you don't know of the persecution of the Catholic church in England, Scotland, and Ireland by protestants then you aren't very well educated.
Third, the English protestant were not persecuted by the Catholic church, they were persecuted by other protestants.
Fourth, the natural rights legal philosophy was the legal philosophy our Constitution was founded upon not pragmatism. Pragmatism is just Utilitarianism repackaged to look less obnoxious.
I know there are many pseudo-philosophies out there that lead to confusion and many anti-Catholic protestants base their beliefs not on sound reasoning but upon the prejudices and mythology they have been taught since childhood.
The Catholic church lost thousaands of priests, bishops, brothers, sisters and laymen in the holocaust.
Your prejudice and ignorance is showing.

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