One year later, smoke free ordinance ...

One year later, smoke free ordinance still smoldering

There are 24 comments on the The Star Press story from Aug 11, 2012, titled One year later, smoke free ordinance still smoldering. In it, The Star Press reports that:

August 11, 2011, is a day that will live in infamy in Delaware County. The passing of the smoke-free ordinance a year ago might have ended smoking in bars and other public establishments, but it did little to quash debate among residents and especially bar owners, "I still have an issue with someone telling me what to do with a legal product in my ... (more)

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StarKing

El Segundo, CA

#1 Aug 11, 2012
Prohibitionism is prohibitionism no matter how it's disguised as doing good. These people never stop unless they are stopped, if you give them exactly what they ask for they just ask for more, or move on to something else they can prohibit - they never stop. They are not the least bit interested in whatever public good they claim to be serving, they just use that as their excuse. The only thing they are really interested is controlling others. They are to freedom as the "Terminators" were to humanity. Politicians who empower them need to be removed from office.
Old Guy

Fairfield, OH

#2 Aug 11, 2012
“We’re blessed because we’re doing OK. We have more non-smokers out here, but truth is, it takes four non-smokers to make up for the one smoker we may have lost because the non-smoker doesn’t drink as much”
Hugh Jass Jr

Wichita, KS

#3 Aug 11, 2012
LOVE this one!

Right under the picture is this statement:
The smoking ban in Delaware County has been in effect for a year now, MANY local bars and businesses have not seen a decrease in businesses./ Ashley L. Conti / The Star Press

The TRUE statement "Many" - Not ALL or even "Most" - or AT THE LEAST "The MAJORITY" - but many have not seen a decrease!

HOW LOUSEY IS THAT OUTLOOK!!!

This is what the Anti's do - and they won't stop until they're FORCED TO!

Since: Jun 12

Kitchener, Canada

#4 Aug 12, 2012
I see Robert Wood Johson is mentioned or is that just another one of the many names the Anti's use.
Follow the Money
Hugh Jass Jr

Wichita, KS

#5 Aug 12, 2012
Yea - here's another EXTREMELY positive quote from the article:

“This has been a success,- I think,” said Rachel Buckman, coordinator of the Tobacco Free Coalition.

EVEN THEY know that they have SCREWED a LOT of people over!

BUT HEY - It'll ALL be worth it when the "Smokeless Society" arrives!- Well - They THINK!
Commonsenseman

Columbus, OH

#6 Aug 13, 2012
Hugh Jass Jr wrote:
Yea - here's another EXTREMELY positive quote from the article:
“This has been a success,- I think,” said Rachel Buckman, coordinator of the Tobacco Free Coalition.
EVEN THEY know that they have SCREWED a LOT of people over!
BUT HEY - It'll ALL be worth it when the "Smokeless Society" arrives!- Well - They THINK!
I think it depends which quotes from the article you choose:
Piche said in the first 28 days of the ordinance, his sales were down “considerably,” but he and his business partner Brion Fickle used the time to makes changes to their bar, primarily cleaning it “so it didn’t smell like an old, dirty shoe.” Thirty days after the ordinance, their old smoking customers came back and so did new non-smoking people, who came out to the bar to spend time with their friends.

Chris Ellision, owner of the downtown bars The Silo, Center Stage and Backstage as well as other establishments in the Ball State University area, said he has maintained the same number of customers since the ordinance, mostly due to his decision to open his businesses as smoke-free.

When he noticed his other bars in the Chicago area increased their revenues 20 percent when they went from smoking to smoke-free, the decision was a no-brainer when he came to Muncie.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I know I have no desire to control anyone elses actions unless they negatively impact someone else.
somewhere between

Ewing, KY

#7 Aug 13, 2012
Commonsenseman wrote:
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I think it depends which quotes from the article you choose:
Piche said in the first 28 days of the ordinance, his sales were down “considerably,” but he and his business partner Brion Fickle used the time to makes changes to their bar, primarily cleaning it “so it didn’t smell like an old, dirty shoe.” Thirty days after the ordinance, their old smoking customers came back and so did new non-smoking people, who came out to the bar to spend time with their friends.
Chris Ellision, owner of the downtown bars The Silo, Center Stage and Backstage as well as other establishments in the Ball State University area, said he has maintained the same number of customers since the ordinance, mostly due to his decision to open his businesses as smoke-free.
When he noticed his other bars in the Chicago area increased their revenues 20 percent when they went from smoking to smoke-free, the decision was a no-brainer when he came to Muncie.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I know I have no desire to control anyone elses actions unless they negatively impact someone else.
I would much rather sit by a cigarette smoker than someone who is on dope or smoking weed...
or a drunk !!!!
We are slowly becoming a communist country..freedom is slowly dwindling away..one anti at a time..
I would much rather grab a cigarette to calm nerves than a pill or achohol or drugs...this is true.
At least a cigarette doesn't deter the mind..drugs-acholol-dope does...and get behind the wheel of a vehicle...which do you choose that I do..????
Smoke Free Bars

Duluth, GA

#8 Aug 14, 2012
somewhere between wrote:
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I would much rather sit by a cigarette smoker than someone who is on dope or smoking weed...
or a drunk !!!!
We are slowly becoming a communist country..freedom is slowly dwindling away..one anti at a time..
I would much rather grab a cigarette to calm nerves than a pill or achohol or drugs...this is true.
At least a cigarette doesn't deter the mind..drugs-acholol-dope does...and get behind the wheel of a vehicle...which do you choose that I do..????
First you state that "cigarettes calm your nerves" then the next sentence you state: "At least a cigarette doesn't deter the mind".
WOW!!!

By all means do what you want. Smoke all you want, we are just telling you WHERE you CAN'T smoke anymore.
Nothing more calms my nerves than having a beer in the local tavern, watching some sports on TV and NOT having to inhale YOUR FILTHY smoking habit. This is 2012, not the 1980's.

To me our country has MORE freedoms today when I can go into any business, restaurant, bar, airplane, grocery store, doctors office, and not be potentially harmed by your cigarette smoke. We have come a long way and the workplace has become a safer place to work WITHOUT cigarette smoke.

What a great country we live in.
ItsAFact

Clarksville, MD

#9 Aug 14, 2012
Smoke Free Barf wrote:
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By all means do what you want. Smoke all you want, we are just telling you WHERE you CAN'T smoke anymore.
Because 'we" is ewe and that mouse in your pocket.
somewhere between

Ewing, KY

#13 Aug 14, 2012
Smoke Free Bars wrote:
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First you state that "cigarettes calm your nerves" then the next sentence you state: "At least a cigarette doesn't deter the mind".
WOW!!!
By all means do what you want. Smoke all you want, we are just telling you WHERE you CAN'T smoke anymore.
Nothing more calms my nerves than having a beer in the local tavern, watching some sports on TV and NOT having to inhale YOUR FILTHY smoking habit. This is 2012, not the 1980's.
To me our country has MORE freedoms today when I can go into any business, restaurant, bar, airplane, grocery store, doctors office, and not be potentially harmed by your cigarette smoke. We have come a long way and the workplace has become a safer place to work WITHOUT cigarette smoke.
What a great country we live in.
Read it like I said it...it does calm my nerves..It does not affect my brain..maybe yours.
Smoke Free Bars

Duluth, GA

#15 Aug 15, 2012
somewhere between wrote:
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Read it like I said it...it does calm my nerves..It does not affect my brain..maybe yours.
OMG, you are priceless, I rest my case!!! Smoking has no place in any business, public or private. Maybe you ought to lay off the booze too as you don't have many brains cells left.
HowzBoutDat

Frederick, MD

#16 Aug 15, 2012
Smoke Free Barf wrote:
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OMG, you are priceless, I rest my case!!! Smoking has no place in any business, public or private. Maybe you ought to lay off the booze too as you don't have many brains cells left.
OMG, you are pointless, I rest my case!!! Anti-smokers have no place in any business, public or private. Maybe you ought to lay off the booze too as you don't have any brains cells left.
More Victimization

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Aug 15, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
I see Robert Wood Johson is mentioned or is that just another one of the many names the Anti's use.
Follow the Money
As a gay man how do you feel this will affect your community?
somewhere between

Ewing, KY

#18 Aug 15, 2012
Smoke Free Bars wrote:
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OMG, you are priceless, I rest my case!!! Smoking has no place in any business, public or private. Maybe you ought to lay off the booze too as you don't have many brains cells left.
For one thing..I didn't say anything about smoking in public places..I smoke at home..but not around children.!!!!!!!!!
AND>>>I DO NOT DRINK !!!!..only diet pepsi..:)
I finished my high school years..did you?
Our forefathers smoked many years..and prayed..another thing our country was founded on..(THE LORD).something else our country has left out of lives..
Your drinking will split your home sooner or later...my smoking won't.....last response.

Since: Jun 12

Kitchener, Canada

#19 Aug 15, 2012
More Victimization wrote:
<quoted text> As a gay man how do you feel this will affect your community?
I am a happy man far from being a fruit like you, how does that effect your community ? You should work your own type of boards where you will never be lonely, nor a victim.
Hugh Jass Jr

Wichita, KS

#21 Aug 15, 2012
Smoke Free Bars wrote:
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Smoke all you want, WE (we) are just TELLING (telling) you WHERE you CAN'T smoke anymore.
And that is because you and your ilk are so FAR SUPERIOR to everyone else that you feel that YOU have the RESPONSIBILITY to dictate where and when the "LESSER" humans can persue something THEY may enjoy?????
Smoke Free Bars wrote:
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This is 2012, not the 1980's.
Are you sure?? actually 2012 is starting to feel A WHOLE LOT MORE like (the Orwell novel) 1984
Smoke Free Bars wrote:
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To me our country has MORE freedoms today...
WAKE UP DITZ!!- the ONLY reason you say that is because ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOU!!- as long as you don't have to be around that "Inconsiderate" cigarette smoke - then YOU are a "happy little clam" - what a VERY TINY MIND!!

To legislate this "MORE freedoms" that you "praise" - you have TRADED AWAY other freedoms - and it WILL EVENTUALLY EFFECT YOU!

"Those who would trade essential freedoms for a little temporary security - DESERVES NEITHER!" - Ben Franklin
Stray Dog

Byrdstown, TN

#22 Aug 16, 2012
The owners of the establishment should set smoking and other policies. Not the Government. Any freedom loving American should know this. The dictators must be voted out.
Smoke Free Bars

Duluth, GA

#23 Aug 16, 2012
Stray Dog wrote:
The owners of the establishment should set smoking and other policies. Not the Government. Any freedom loving American should know this. The dictators must be voted out.
Remember, I'm a Die Hard Republican Conservative. That said,
ARE you for real? So, we should get rid of the hundreds of existing local, state and federal laws, codes and ordinances that businesses ALREADY have to follow to keep their doors open to the public? Let the business owners decide everything? Or just let them decide what you are addicted to? What kind of buffoon are you? Is the bar owner an expert on fire codes, safety codes, health codes and laws? Thank you very much but I much prefer to let the experts decide what is safe for the patrons and employees. It's called living in a civilized society. With your foolishness I guess we could downsize and get rid of the Fire Marshall, Health Inspector and Department, Building Inspector.

Smokers are still welcome in any bar, just not your filthy harmful smoking habit. Are you still pissed that you can't smoke on Airplanes too? Remember when the smoking idiots said they'd never fly again and the airlines would go out of business? I think we still have airlines and airports! Are you still pissed you can't smoke in a grocery stores, doctors offices, Malls, or any other workplace for that matter?

It's so easy for a smoker to step outside smoke and step back in. How the hell hard is that? It already works great in many states.
HowzBoutDat

Frederick, MD

#24 Aug 16, 2012
Smoke Free Barf wrote:
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we should get rid of the hundreds of existing local, state and federal laws, codes and ordinances that businesses ALREADY have to follow to keep their doors open to the public?
If you were a conservative you would be pushing for it. But you're just a run of the mill libertard basket case trying to claim to be a somebody on line and you're not.
Smokers R Gay
#25 Aug 16, 2012
The Gay smoker's community has spoken.

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