Prize-winning illegal immigrant draws...

Prize-winning illegal immigrant draws crowd at Worcester State

There are 132 comments on the Worcester Telegram & Gazette story from Mar 16, 2012, titled Prize-winning illegal immigrant draws crowd at Worcester State. In it, Worcester Telegram & Gazette reports that:

Jose Antonio Vargas, who disclosed in a New York Times magazine article his status as an undocumented immigrant, spoke at Worcester State University today.

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Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#23 Mar 22, 2012
I don't get it. Who did we deport?
torch wrote:
Deport them all and all the sudden we have enough money, go figure

Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#24 Mar 22, 2012
What bad choice did they make? They want to be here, they are here. What is the problem?
DfwDude wrote:
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send them home with their illegal parents.
They are the ones that made bad choices. Why should we pay for those bad choices?

Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#25 Mar 22, 2012
They had a visa, it expired. How many people are driving on expired driver's licenses? There is no penalty for having an expired visa except that they are *deportable*. It is not law that they will be or should be deported, only that they can be deported. The executive branch of our government had decided that, although they are deportable, they will not be deported.

So, it is really debatable whether or not it is "illegal" to be here when there is no penalty for being here.

However, if they crossed a border "unexamined" there is a penalty, however, and that penalty is a fine of $50-$250. That is less than driving without a license in most states. Let's put all those illegal drivers in jail, right?
spytheweb wrote:
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Who cares how they arrived? If they are now illegal, they are now illegal.
"There was no "illegal" immigration until 1952."
Last time i looked, it is now after 1952. There use to be a time when people didn't need a license to drive a car either, now there is.
"There is no welfare for undocumented residents today." There are illegal aliens receiving welfare."
"Many illegal immigrants are regularly accessing welfare benefits in the United States in different ways.1 They may do so through those state and local governments that do not verify citizenship or that accept false proof of citizenship. In many cases, they access welfare benefits through their citizen children born in the United States. Additionally, and this is the focus of this report, there are ways illegal immigrants can obtain a form of federal welfare that is available to income tax filers. Since a significant percentage of illegal immigrants have low incomes, work “off the books,” or work with false names and Social Security numbers, it is likely that many report little or no income when applying for federal, state, or local benefits.
An illegal immigrant cannot qualify for a legitimate Social Security number to use to file income tax returns or for any other purposes. Thus, a major facilitator for illegal immigrant access to income tax-based welfare benefits is the nine-digit Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) established by the IRS in 1996. It was initially established for people like foreign investors, who are required to file U.S. income tax forms but can not legally obtain a Social Security number. However, the IRS has allowed illegal immigrants to apply for and use the ITIN for filing income taxes returns related to income earned in the United States. Consequently, the ITIN quickly became a vehicle for illegal immigrants to obtain refunds of part or all of income taxes withheld (if any) from their pay and for obtaining refundable tax credits above and beyond any withholding. All but a small minority of people using ITINs today are illegal immigrants."
http://www.cis.org/child-tax-credits
UPDATE, CHILD TAX CREDITS FILED FOR ILLEGALS WAS A RECORD 4.2 BILLION IN 2010.
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02...

Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#26 Mar 22, 2012
So let's use your interpretation of the 14th Amendment instead of the Supreme Court's interpretation. Right? How shall we put you in the Constitution? Another Amendment?

And how is it that American Citizens are not our problem?
Free is free wrote:
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The children can go with the parents. But for a gross misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment, they're not our problem to begin with.

Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#27 Mar 22, 2012
The point was that there was no illegal immigration when the Irish and Italians were immigrating "the right way". They could just walk in, and if they weren't sick, they were in. Very few were turned away, but now, no one is allowed from the countries that have the most illegals here. So there is no "right way" to immigrate for those who are here, no way to become "legal".

If an undocumented resident illegally receives government benefits for which she/he is not eligible that person is guilty of a crime and can be deported according to present rules of deportation. All of us would like to see undocumented convicted criminal punished and deported. Personally, I would just like them to pay restitution for any money they took from the taxpayers to which they were not eligible.

I would also like to see some laws changed, but that will not happen because you and your ilk would call that "reform" or "amnesty", so things will stay the same for one long damn time.
spytheweb wrote:
<quoted text>
Who cares how they arrived? If they are now illegal, they are now illegal.
"There was no "illegal" immigration until 1952."
Last time i looked, it is now after 1952. There use to be a time when people didn't need a license to drive a car either, now there is.
"There is no welfare for undocumented residents today." There are illegal aliens receiving welfare."
"Many illegal immigrants are regularly accessing welfare benefits in the United States in different ways.1 They may do so through those state and local governments that do not verify citizenship or that accept false proof of citizenship. In many cases, they access welfare benefits through their citizen children born in the United States. Additionally, and this is the focus of this report, there are ways illegal immigrants can obtain a form of federal welfare that is available to income tax filers. Since a significant percentage of illegal immigrants have low incomes, work “off the books,” or work with false names and Social Security numbers, it is likely that many report little or no income when applying for federal, state, or local benefits.
An illegal immigrant cannot qualify for a legitimate Social Security number to use to file income tax returns or for any other purposes. Thus, a major facilitator for illegal immigrant access to income tax-based welfare benefits is the nine-digit Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) established by the IRS in 1996. It was initially established for people like foreign investors, who are required to file U.S. income tax forms but can not legally obtain a Social Security number. However, the IRS has allowed illegal immigrants to apply for and use the ITIN for filing income taxes returns related to income earned in the United States. Consequently, the ITIN quickly became a vehicle for illegal immigrants to obtain refunds of part or all of income taxes withheld (if any) from their pay and for obtaining refundable tax credits above and beyond any withholding. All but a small minority of people using ITINs today are illegal immigrants."
http://www.cis.org/child-tax-credits
UPDATE, CHILD TAX CREDITS FILED FOR ILLEGALS WAS A RECORD 4.2 BILLION IN 2010.
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02...

Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#28 Mar 22, 2012
So illegals take advantage of their citizen children. Hmm. Nothing illegal about citizens taking advantage of their benefits of being citizens. Are you suggesting reform of our laws? Or repeal of the 14th Amendment? Do you really believe it might happen? Maybe you just like to complain about people who don't look like you.

So low income people don't pay much in taxes. Go figure.

If you are eligible for an ITIN are you therefore using something that was not intended for you? I don't understand. It is like you are saying these people are eligible for things, but they shouldn't use them. Why not? If you are born here you are a citizen and have rights and privileges. But you would remove them from some people. And if you are not born here but you want to pay taxes with an ITIN you way, no, that is for foreign corporations. You should be in Congress. Maybe you could get the Amendment changed. But you don't want immigration reform, do you?

The system is broken, but you prefer to complain about it to changing it.
spytheweb wrote:
<quoted text> "In many cases, they access welfare benefits through their citizen children born in the United States. Additionally, and this is the focus of this report, there are ways illegal immigrants can obtain a form of federal welfare that is available to income tax filers. Since a significant percentage of illegal immigrants have low incomes, work “off the books,” or work with false names and Social Security numbers, it is likely that many report little or no income when applying for federal, state, or local benefits.
An illegal immigrant cannot qualify for a legitimate Social Security number to use to file income tax returns or for any other purposes. Thus, a major facilitator for illegal immigrant access to income tax-based welfare benefits is the nine-digit Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) established by the IRS in 1996. It was initially established for people like foreign investors, who are required to file U.S. income tax forms but can not legally obtain a Social Security number. However, the IRS has allowed illegal immigrants to apply for and use the ITIN for filing income taxes returns related to income earned in the United States. Consequently, the ITIN quickly became a vehicle for illegal immigrants to obtain refunds of part or all of income taxes withheld (if any) from their pay and for obtaining refundable tax credits above and beyond any withholding. All but a small minority of people using ITINs today are illegal immigrants."
http://www.cis.org/child-tax-credits
UPDATE, CHILD TAX CREDITS FILED FOR ILLEGALS WAS A RECORD 4.2 BILLION IN 2010.
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02...

Since: Mar 08

Bridgeport, CT

#29 Mar 22, 2012
All presidents by executive order choose what laws to enforce, their own policies. You really think any sane person would try to deport up to 20 million US residents just becasue they want to?

All policies are chosen by executives. There are so many laws all of us are illegal in some way or another, but we have been lucky enough to evade the policy decisions that would give us trouble. Well, some of us have been victims of really stupid policy decisions too. I could tell you stories.

Illegal? Not really if there is no penalty. They want to be here, they are here. What is the problem?
spytheweb wrote:
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"Obama's policy is to deport only convicted felons."
Anything that Obama does is temporary, even if Obama remains President for 4 more years. He can't grant amnesty, he does not have the power.
"In reality, the president does not possess this authority, as unauthorized presence in the U.S. is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Presidential pardon power only applies to federal crimes, described as “offenses against the United States” in the Constitution. As such,“a pardon can’t make someone a citizen or lawful resident,” explains John Harrison, a law professor at the University of Virginia.“Deportation is not a criminal proceeding, it’s a civil process that removes from the country someone who is not entitled to be here.”
Only Congress can change the terms for granting immigration status or citizenship, whether for all immigrants or a subset of people. And that’s why an immigration overhaul has stalled for so many years."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klei...
"Crossing the border illegally or "unexamined" in immigration-speak is punishable by a fine of $50 to $250 like a speeding ticket."
It is also a deportable offense.
Deportation is not a punishment, it merely removes a person from the country who does not have a right to be here and returns them to the country of their birth.
The second time they cross the border, they commit a felony.
"It is not possible or reasonable to deport these people who lived here most of their lives and feel as American as you and me"
I think it's very reasonable. Who cares how they feel? i feel American therefore give me citizenship? Yeah right, go home. Possible because technology is catching up to them. If they can not work, receive welfare to feed their 10 kids, travel without proper ID.(come Jan 2013 will need a Real ID to fly or a passport) As time goes on and they find it tougher to live here, they will go home, if not home, somewhere i don't really care where.
ima

El Paso, TX

#30 Mar 22, 2012
compx2 wrote:
What about the Citizen children of undocumented residents? Shoud we put them in foster homes and deport their parents?
By the way, Obama's policy is to deport only convicted felons.
<quoted text>
Let them be deported to be taken care of by the parents it's their and ONLY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. I could not leave my kids behind, I would some how take responsibility and take them with me.

Since: Nov 09

Newnan, GA

#31 Mar 22, 2012
compx2 wrote:
They had a visa, it expired. How many people are driving on expired driver's licenses? There is no penalty for having an expired visa except that they are *deportable*. It is not law that they will be or should be deported, only that they can be deported. The executive branch of our government had decided that, although they are deportable, they will not be deported.
So, it is really debatable whether or not it is "illegal" to be here when there is no penalty for being here.
However, if they crossed a border "unexamined" there is a penalty, however, and that penalty is a fine of $50-$250. That is less than driving without a license in most states. Let's put all those illegal drivers in jail, right?
<quoted text>
We know you support people who ignore the law and break into our nation. Now tell us why? If I just walked into your home would you let me stay. The fine for trespassing is about $50.00.It is not up to the executive branch to decide if they are deportable...IT IS UP TO THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Maybe this will help you out...Quote"The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature) or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive branch is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system.It's called SEPERATION OF POWERS.
Get it asshole. By the way...do you think that anyone caught driving with a suspended license is allowed to CONTINUE TO DRIVE? Chances are that those drivers with suspended licenses ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS OR LEGAL RESIDENTS.There is no comparison between an AMERICAN CITIZEN with a suspended license and an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT with an expired visa.Once that visa expires they are here ILLEGALLY.You liberal morons in CT are a real prize.

Since: Nov 09

Newnan, GA

#32 Mar 22, 2012
compx2 wrote:
All presidents by executive order choose what laws to enforce, their own policies. You really think any sane person would try to deport up to 20 million US residents just becasue they want to?
All policies are chosen by executives. There are so many laws all of us are illegal in some way or another, but we have been lucky enough to evade the policy decisions that would give us trouble. Well, some of us have been victims of really stupid policy decisions too. I could tell you stories.
Illegal? Not really if there is no penalty. They want to be here, they are here. What is the problem?
<quoted text>
Again....if I walk into your home. That would mean I'm there. If I said I wanted to be there you would let me stay right. I would get to ignore the sovereignty of your home just because I wanted to?. Post your address next time. If you have no problem giving away the sovereignty of your country you shouldn't have any problem giving up the sovereignty of your own home,right? Put your money where you liberal left wing mouth is. Post your address so anyone who would like to make themselves at home in your house can do so.If you don't want to post your address just put up a sign in front of your home welcoming anyone who wants to enter. That would make the national news. Then we could all see that you are a person who lives by their convictions.

Since: Nov 09

Newnan, GA

#33 Mar 22, 2012
compx2 wrote:
So let's use your interpretation of the 14th Amendment instead of the Supreme Court's interpretation. Right? How shall we put you in the Constitution? Another Amendment?
And how is it that American Citizens are not our problem?
<quoted text>
You are full of misinformation....typical liberal. The supreme court has never made a determination about the 14th and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS children being a citizen. Maybe you should try reading it AND COMPREHENDING IT. You might want to look up the meaning of the word AND first. The SC ruled in favor of Wong Kim because he was born here to parents LEGALLY ADMITTED to the country under the Burlingame treaty with China. The parents were not allowed to naturalize but their children were considered citizens because the parents were, according to the SC "domiciled" or LEGALLY here.

“A voice of reason”

Since: Sep 07

Bolingbrook, IL

#34 Mar 22, 2012
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Again....if I walk into your home. That would mean I'm there. If I said I wanted to be there you would let me stay right. I would get to ignore the sovereignty of your home just because I wanted to?.
Your example is cheap demagoguery. The street is not your home. Mine hose is on this street, so is yours. No one intends to invade your home. Just a foreigner wants to live in the house on the same street, next to you. I do not mind, you do. Leave alone the foreigner, deal with me first.

Since: Nov 09

Newnan, GA

#35 Mar 22, 2012
Henryk A Kowalczyk wrote:
<quoted text>
Your example is cheap demagoguery. The street is not your home. Mine hose is on this street, so is yours. No one intends to invade your home. Just a foreigner wants to live in the house on the same street, next to you. I do not mind, you do. Leave alone the foreigner, deal with me first.
Try speaking ENGLISH...my example is not demagoguery at all. Just exposing the irrationality of those who think people who break into our nation deserve to be allowed to stay simply because they want to be here. Only a simpleton would equate a person LEGALLY LIVING IN A HOME with some ILLEGALLY LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES. Yes I do mind....I have no respect for people who show no respect for my nation by comming here ILLEGALLY. The fact that you don't mind tells me you don't believe in obeying the law. You're just a scumbag. There...you've been dealt with

Since: Mar 08

Torrington, CT

#36 Mar 23, 2012
US citizens, then, have no responsibility for other US citizens? I am not following you.
ima wrote:
<quoted text> Let them be deported to be taken care of by the parents it's their and ONLY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. I could not leave my kids behind, I would some how take responsibility and take them with me.

Since: Mar 08

Torrington, CT

#37 Mar 23, 2012
Finally, someone who is thinking. The LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. You are right. But that is called Immigration Reform. Are you in favor of Immigration Reform?

Probably the most power the President or Executive Branch of our government has is the ability to pick and choose which of the too-many-laws this country has should be enforced. It could easily become policy of the country that anyone, say, driving with an expired driver's license, should get jail time regardless of other circumstance. That is an executive decision which, thankfully, is not enforced.

We have too many laws, and they are not and cannot all be enforced.
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>We know you support people who ignore the law and break into our nation. Now tell us why? If I just walked into your home would you let me stay. The fine for trespassing is about $50.00.It is not up to the executive branch to decide if they are deportable...IT IS UP TO THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Maybe this will help you out...Quote"The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature) or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive branch is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system.It's called SEPERATION OF POWERS.
Get it asshole. By the way...do you think that anyone caught driving with a suspended license is allowed to CONTINUE TO DRIVE? Chances are that those drivers with suspended licenses ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS OR LEGAL RESIDENTS.There is no comparison between an AMERICAN CITIZEN with a suspended license and an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT with an expired visa.Once that visa expires they are here ILLEGALLY.You liberal morons in CT are a real prize.

Since: Mar 08

Torrington, CT

#38 Mar 23, 2012
Once a license expires you are driving illegally. Once a permit expires you are repairing your house illegally. Anyone who listens to music or uses a computer is breaking any number of copyright laws. What is your point? Everyone who does anything should be shot?

We have too many laws, no doubt about it. The system is broken and any change is opposed. So, things will stay the same.

I know a guy who has been caught driving without a license more than five times in the past 6 years. They told him in court that the next time he will go to jail for six months. He still drives. He is a US citizen (Puerto Rican). Since we all agree this guy is a problem, what is the solution? Put him in jail? That would cost us all. The US imprisons more people than any country except China which has five times our population. Excluding China we imprison more than the next five top countries combined. So, lets put more people in prison? Will that help?

Yes, the Legislative Branch needs to do its job. But will it? There is very little support for Congress anymore. 80% of us disapprove of the performance of Congress. The system is broken, and the problem is the YOU do not support reform.
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>We know you support people who ignore the law and break into our nation. Now tell us why? If I just walked into your home would you let me stay. The fine for trespassing is about $50.00.It is not up to the executive branch to decide if they are deportable...IT IS UP TO THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. Maybe this will help you out...Quote"The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature) or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive branch is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system.It's called SEPERATION OF POWERS.
Get it asshole. By the way...do you think that anyone caught driving with a suspended license is allowed to CONTINUE TO DRIVE? Chances are that those drivers with suspended licenses ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS OR LEGAL RESIDENTS.There is no comparison between an AMERICAN CITIZEN with a suspended license and an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT with an expired visa.Once that visa expires they are here ILLEGALLY.You liberal morons in CT are a real prize.

Since: Mar 08

Torrington, CT

#39 Mar 23, 2012
If you had been in my home for 30 years and raised your children there you would have a claim. If there were up to 20 million people living in your home you might have some trouble removing them. They have been here, they live here, they work here, they have children in schools that have graduated and feel as American as you and me. If you don't kick them out of your home in the first year or two after they arrive I think you are stuck with them unless and until you go through the courts system. How many more court houses and jails will we need to run the equivalent of the entire population of five US States through the system?

I hope you like to be taxed. You want to follow the laws, well, it will take several years to handle each of up to 20 million immigration cases.

The system is broken, and YOUR opposition to reform is the problem.
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Again....if I walk into your home. That would mean I'm there. If I said I wanted to be there you would let me stay right. I would get to ignore the sovereignty of your home just because I wanted to?. Post your address next time. If you have no problem giving away the sovereignty of your country you shouldn't have any problem giving up the sovereignty of your own home,right? Put your money where you liberal left wing mouth is. Post your address so anyone who would like to make themselves at home in your house can do so.If you don't want to post your address just put up a sign in front of your home welcoming anyone who wants to enter. That would make the national news. Then we could all see that you are a person who lives by their convictions.

Since: Mar 08

Torrington, CT

#40 Mar 23, 2012
Are you seriously suggesting the 14th Amendment is not universally interpreted to mean that children born in the US are US citizens? Where is the exception? The only exception I have seen is that some renounce their citizenship at age 18.
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are full of misinformation....typical liberal. The supreme court has never made a determination about the 14th and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS children being a citizen. Maybe you should try reading it AND COMPREHENDING IT. You might want to look up the meaning of the word AND first. The SC ruled in favor of Wong Kim because he was born here to parents LEGALLY ADMITTED to the country under the Burlingame treaty with China. The parents were not allowed to naturalize but their children were considered citizens because the parents were, according to the SC "domiciled" or LEGALLY here.

Since: Mar 08

Torrington, CT

#41 Mar 23, 2012
Again, the majority came here legally. They overstayed their visas and now have NO WAY to stay here legally. There is no path to citizenship unless and until you and your ilk decide reforming a broken system is not a bad thing.
ga_patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Try speaking ENGLISH...my example is not demagoguery at all. Just exposing the irrationality of those who think people who break into our nation deserve to be allowed to stay simply because they want to be here. Only a simpleton would equate a person LEGALLY LIVING IN A HOME with some ILLEGALLY LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES. Yes I do mind....I have no respect for people who show no respect for my nation by comming here ILLEGALLY. The fact that you don't mind tells me you don't believe in obeying the law. You're just a scumbag. There...you've been dealt with

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42 Mar 23, 2012
taking up for illegal aliens show some are against citizens. all know where there is an illegal alien be it at school or job or even a hospital room it has been taken from a citizens and most likely will be paid for by a citizens showing robbery.

our system is not broken it is just done enforced to the fullest as it should be and as the citizens of this country want it to be. the citizens in states all over are saying they want all illegal aliens out,it is only those who support illegal aliens who want things done to reward the high amount of criminals.

there is no debate on this issue illegal aliens supporters have not a leg to stand on,illegal aliens are criminals nothing else.

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