I run a business but might get deported

I run a business but might get deported

There are 29 comments on the Fortune story from May 29, 2012, titled I run a business but might get deported. In it, Fortune reports that:

It happens every time Celso Mireles, a tech consultant who runs a successful business in Phoenix, hops into his pickup truck and drives past a police car.

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De Soto, KS

#1 May 29, 2012
He can move it just south of the border.

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#2 May 29, 2012
Deport him ..........NOW!!

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#3 May 29, 2012
Oh yeah...........give his business to a citizen.
pug

Bridgeview, IL

#5 May 29, 2012
In the United States you may be better off not being a citizen.

The citizen seems to be at a disadvantage, for example, the Additional child tax credit. Usining an ITIN number non citizens file income tax. They list "additional Children" that they are allegedly supporting in the US.

The children claimed (as many as 20) are supposed to be living in the US. But, no one checks and they all live in a foreign country. Or just make up some names.

The receive from the IRS, a tax refund of $29,000.00 USD in the form of "additional Child Tax Credit"

in 2010,$4 BILLION plus taxdollars were scammed

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#6 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
You mean this "Undocumented American" contributes to the American economy and the racist still want the person to go.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot all in the name of HATE.
P.S. be sure to shoot your other foot ya RACIST.
He is a criminal and deporting him back to his 3rd world is not shooting ourselves in the foot. There are plenty of bright Americans that can take over his business. Hope you get shot in the foot (or anywhere) you criminal minded piece of crap.
LOL

De Soto, KS

#9 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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Sure it is, you're taking money out of the US economy at a time when you need foreign investments. You think that by deporting the illegal that his money will stay here?
LMFAO!!
Take an economics class.
I doubt that most of this guy's income stays in Arizona. wire Transfers R Him!!!!! He can legally operate in his home country!
Bankrupting California

United States

#11 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
You mean this "Undocumented American" contributes to the American economy and the racist still want the person to go.....
Making up another lie-phrase to try to hide the fact that illegal aliens are criminals, in addition to the fact that they scam and steal from the American economy to the tune of billions every year that they do not contribute or pay in?

Illegal aliens are not "undocumented."
They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake "green cards," and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.

Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.

Illegal immigration and high levels of identity theft go hand-in-hand.
States with the most illegal immigration also have high levels of job-related identity theft.
In Arizona, 33 percent or all identity theft is job-related (as opposed to identity theft motivated simply by profit). In Texas it is 27 percent; in New Mexico, 23 percent; in Colorado, 22 percent; California, 20 percent; and in Nevada, 16 percent.
Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado).

Children are prime targets. In Arizona, it is estimated that over one million children are victims of identity theft. In Utah, 1,626 companies were found to be paying wages to the SSNs of children on public assistance under the age of 13. These individuals suffer very real and very serious consequences in their lives.

Illegal aliens commit felonies in order to get jobs. Illegal aliens, who use fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and commit identity theft in order to get jobs are committing serious offenses and are not "law abiding."

Illegally employed aliens send billions of dollars annually to their home countries, rather than spending it in the United States and helping stimulate the American economy. In October 2008 alone,$2.4 billion was transferred to Mexico.

Tolerance of corruption erodes the rule of law. Corruption is a serious problem in most illegal aliens' home countries. Allowing it to flourish here paves the way for additional criminal activity and increased corruption throughout society.

Leaders support perpetrators and ignore victims. Political, civic, religious, business, education, and media leaders blame Americans for "forcing" illegal aliens to commit document fraud and identity theft. No similar concern is expressed for the American men, women, and children whose lives are destroyed in the process.

•State and local governments need to adopt tougher laws to supplement federal efforts.
The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is targeting large document fraud rings and the most egregious employers, but their resources are limited and stretched across multiple priorities.

Employers must do their part. They can ensure that they have a legal workforce by using a combination of the federal government's E-Verify and Social Security Number Verification Service systems and by signing up for the federal government's IMAGE program or privately conducted audits.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ident...
http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_11852216...
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#12 May 29, 2012
"They hope to change the tone of the immigration debate, one they see as bitter and xenophobic."

The article does not explain how are they are going to get the illegal aliens and their supporters to stop being bitter and xenophobic.
Bankrupting California

United States

#13 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
You mean this "Undocumented American" contributes to the American economy and the racist still want the person to go...
Making up yet another lie-phrase to try to hide the fact that illegal aliens are criminals who scam and steal billions from our economy while contributing next to nothing?

Illegal aliens are not "undocumented."

They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake "green cards," and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.

Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.

Illegal immigration and high levels of identity theft go hand-in-hand.
States with the most illegal immigration also have high levels of job-related identity theft.
In Arizona, 33 percent or all identity theft is job-related (as opposed to identity theft motivated simply by profit). In Texas it is 27 percent; in New Mexico, 23 percent; in Colorado, 22 percent; California, 20 percent; and in Nevada, 16 percent.
Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado).

Children are prime targets. In Arizona, it is estimated that over one million children are victims of identity theft. In Utah, 1,626 companies were found to be paying wages to the SSNs of children on public assistance under the age of 13. These individuals suffer very real and very serious consequences in their lives.

Illegal aliens commit felonies in order to get jobs. Illegal aliens, who use fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and commit identity theft in order to get jobs are committing serious offenses and are not "law abiding."

Illegally employed aliens send billions of dollars annually to their home countries, rather than spending it in the United States and helping stimulate the American economy. In October 2008 alone,$2.4 billion was transferred to Mexico.

Tolerance of corruption erodes the rule of law. Corruption is a serious problem in most illegal aliens' home countries. Allowing it to flourish here paves the way for additional criminal activity and increased corruption throughout society.

Leaders support perpetrators and ignore victims. Political, civic, religious, business, education, and media leaders blame Americans for "forcing" illegal aliens to commit document fraud and identity theft. No similar concern is expressed for the American men, women, and children whose lives are destroyed in the process.

•State and local governments need to adopt tougher laws to supplement federal efforts.
The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is targeting large document fraud rings and the most egregious employers, but their resources are limited and stretched across multiple priorities.

Employers must do their part. They can ensure that they have a legal workforce by using a combination of the federal government's E-Verify and Social Security Number Verification Service systems and by signing up for the federal government's IMAGE program or privately conducted audits.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ident...
http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_11852216...
Bankrupting California

United States

#14 May 29, 2012
In order to become employed at any job in the United States, the employer must submit an I-9 for every employee hired.
The I-9 is for the employee to submit a social security number.

Illegal aliens are not issued legal U.S. social security numbers. In order for an illegal alien to become employed in the USA, he or she must fill out a social security number on an I-9.
A few illegal aliens do obtain an ITIN - "tax number".
The ITIN does not go on an I-9.
The ITIN numbers do not match social security numbers. If an illegal alien fills out an I-9 with an ITIN, the number will come back immediately as an "invalid" social security number.
Therefore, illegal aliens with and without ITINs who work at any job in the USA, have to have a social security number to put on the I-9.

Illegal aliens use fraudulent social security numbers on I-9s.
A fraudulent social security number is any number that is "made up", "bought", "stolen", "borrowed", "belonging to someone else", etc... in other words, any social security number being used by an illegal alien to work here is a fraudulent number.
Using a fraudulent social security number is a crime.

United States Law concerning Document Fraud
1512 Prohibited Acts—18 U.S.C.§ 1028
Possessing an identification document that appears to be an identification document of the United States, which was produced without authority (18 U.S.C.§ 1028(a)(6));
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_readin ...

It is estimated by the Pew Hispanic Center that as many as 8.3 million illegal aliens were using fraudulent social security numbers in the USA, as recently as 2008.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_readin ...

The penalties for convictions on the charges are as follows:

– Using false documents to be employed: A maximum penalty of 10 years without parole in federal prison and a fine up to $250,000.
– Making a false statement on an I-9: A maximum penalty of 5 years in federal prison without parole and a fine up to $250,000.
– Misusing a Social Security number: A maximum penalty of 5 years in federal prison without parole and a fine up to $250,000.
– Making a false claim of resident alien status: A maximum penalty of 5 years in federal prison without parole and a fine up to $250,000.
– Using false documents with intent to defraud the United States: A maximum penalty of 15 years in federal prison without parole and a fine up to $250,000.
– Possession of false United States documents: A maximum penalty of 15 years in federal prison without parole and a fine up to $250,000.
– Aggravated identity theft: A mandatory penalty of 2 years in federal prison to run consecutively to any other sentence, and a fine up to $250,000.

If an illegal alien is working any job in the USA without any social security number, they are not paying taxes on their income, which is a federal crime.
Nonpayment of federal and state income taxes are crimes:
http://www.ehow.com/about_4812801_tax-evasion ...
Those who are caught evading taxes are subject to criminal prosecution and financial penalties by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
http://www.ehow.com/how_6174803_turn-someone -...

Nearly half of Latino offenders, 48 percent, were convicted of immigration crimes, while drug offenses were the second-most-prevalent charge, according to the report.
Of Latino federal offenders, 72% are not U.S. citizens and most were sentenced in courts from one of the four states that border Mexico. Federal prisoners who are illegal immigrants are usually deported to their home countries after serving their sentences.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/us/19immig ....
Bankrupting California

United States

#15 May 29, 2012
The link to the Calworks caseload chart below shows that the zero parent category (children of undocumented women) are the largest recipients of Calworks funding. The caseload also demonstrates that a third of all the caseload for zero parent children are in LA County.
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/research/res/pdf/C...

Medi Cal funded births to undocumented women
http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/dataandstats/statistic...

Medi-Cal chart of counties with undocumented women childbirths showing LA county as the source of most Medi Cal funded deliveries to undocumented women.
http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/dataandstats/statistic...

Frequent Users of emergency room stats showing the source of most Medi Cal funded emergency room use to the undocumented
http://www.chcf.org/projects/2008/frequent-us...

On page 11, the Medi-Cal report shows that live childbirth is the major cost driver in the Medi-Cal budget.

On page 8 there is a chart showing that non disabled children constitute half of all Medi-Cal spending in California

Page 22 of the Medi-Cal report shows that Latino’s are the largest recipients of Medi-Cal spending.
What this chart doesn’t reflect is that most of the Latino population who are Medi-Cal recipients are not the Latino undocumented moms having the babies, who end up being mostly uninsured but their Latino children who are born on Medi-Cal.

Chart showing that Calworks ( known as Temporary Assistance to Needy Families at the Federal Level) receives 1/3rd of all Calworks funding nationwide. Over half of all Calworks recipients are in LA County.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data-repo...

Statistics from WIC (women, infants and children), foodstamps, etc… reflect the same statistical data as shown above.

WIC is the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children, a 100% federally funded program providing services to at-risk, low- to moderate-income (up to 185% of the federal poverty level) women and children up to the age of five.
In California, the nation’s largest WIC program, 82 local agencies serve about 1.44 million participants the participation rate for the state was 100.2% of allocated caseload for January 2009.
Over 60% of infants born in California receive WIC services. The majority of participants (78%) are Latinos, followed by Caucasian (8%), African American (5.5%), Asian (5%), and Native American (0.87%).
63% are enrolled in Medi-Cal, approximately 24% of WIC participants are pregnant and post-partum women, 22% are infants and 54% are children ages 1-5.

California WIC receives about 15% of total federal funds, operating with more than $772 million in food funding and $316 million to support state services and administration.
Significant funding increases have grown California WIC from a service level of 520,000 participants in 1991 to 1.44 million participants per month today.
These are predominantly the Latino children of 2.2 million illegal aliens.

The county's health system is the largest safety net for the uninsured in the nation, and more than 2.5 million people receive treatment from it every year. It is estimated by county health officials that about 800,000 of those are illegal immigrants. With 1.1 million illegal immigrants in the county, that means almost 75% of the illegal aliens in L.A. county are not paying for their medical care, the taxpayers are picking up the tab.

State law requires that counties provide medical care for uninsured people, but the financial obligation has proved so burdensome that the county shut 16 clinics four years ago.
Sterco

Great Falls, MT

#16 May 29, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/us/hard-by-...

Isn't this awesome!!! The tide has turned!!!
Romney 2012 n 2016

De Soto, KS

#17 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's not about the economy then, it's about you disseminating hate. You're willing to sink the economy by denying foreign investments over a civil infraction.
WOW... this is proof that America has in fact dumbed down.
We send enough foreign aid to Mexico as it is now. "civil infraction" lmao!

Since: Apr 09

small town

#18 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a point and is why so many American companies move abroad or move money abroad.
Facebook Co-Founder Renounces His US Citizenship And Moves to Singapore, All to Avoid Taxes of 60 million.
I hope all of you are following the douche trail of tax evader Eduardo Saverin and enjoying it as much as me. As you may recall, this fuckstick decided to renounce his US citizenship and move to Singapore—land of the free, home of the cane—about the same time as the Facebook IPO so he would save $67 million in taxes. Now his attorney is telling the world that only a delusional idiot would think that the reason he renounced his citizenship was because of taxes. Why? Let’s look at point #10 on the State Department form that Ed had to sign to relinquish his citizenship [pdf]:
I understand that if my renunciation of United States citizenship is determined by the United States Attorney General to be motivated by tax avoidance purposes, I will be found excludable from the United States [...]
In other words, unless Ed gets a little special treatment, he can’t ever set foot in the United States.
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/...
Your right about Ed, and the United States should get the 60 million he owes. But a illegal immigrant has many ways of becoming Legal, a 90 year old mexician in Chicago just did it. But I also believe in all illegal immigrants need to be DEPORTED and CONFISCATE everything they have.
Romney 2012 n 2016

De Soto, KS

#22 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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And the USA sends enough of our manufacturing industry as a payback. That's why you're unemployed and sitting on your derrieres all day long venting on Topix.
LMFAO!!!
You're the one sitting on your butt non-stop Rico. I'm running several business, unlike you on the public dole!

Since: Jan 12

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#26 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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Sure it is, you're taking money out of the US economy at a time when you need foreign investments. You think that by deporting the illegal that his money will stay here?
LMFAO!!
Take an economics class.
Didn't I say plenty of Americans to take over the business and keep the money here and no money sent back to Mexico. Win-win idiot...
ROTFLMFAO!!
Take a comprehension class.

Since: Jan 12

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#27 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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Actually, I'm running a shop of mechanics right now from my office. Don't hate!!!
Chooo Chooo Chooo!!!!!!!
Not smart enough.....probably more like a theft ring.
CRIMMIGRANTS

United States

#30 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
You mean this "Undocumented American" contributes to the American economy and the racist still want the person to go.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot all in the name of HATE.
P.S. be sure to shoot your other foot ya RACIST.
Ahh... the worn out fictitious "race card".

Explain why most ILLEGAL ALIENS are of one race/ethnicity.

Why does this particular group feel it is OK to thumb their noses at our laws and slither into our country or overstay a visa to ILLEGALLY squat here?
What kind of values does this group have, that they have no problem teaching their offspring by their selfish actions that it is perfectly fine to STEAL from our hard working American families?

Hmm?

CRIMMIGRANTS

United States

#33 May 29, 2012
Abominable Sock Puppet wrote:
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My emphasis was more on the fact that we need foreign investments more than ever to get this economy going once again. It's not like Americans or even American companies are willing to dump their cash into the economy so who else do we have to depend on?
<quoted text>
Do you know what a map looks like? If so you'll see that we share a huge 2000 mile border with the rest of Latin America that has a wide disparity in wages so it's only logical that this group of people will likely be the largest group to illegally migrate into the USA.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/44.pdf
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1 in very 100 Americans are incarcerated for crimes committed in the USA. What kind of values are Americans teaching their own kids by setting this selfish example?
When you finally figure out how to be the perfect role model for the rest of the world, I'll consider your sideshow worthy of attention.
1 in 100 U.S. Adults Behind Bars, New Study Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/28cnd-pr...
Thank you for re-enforcing my point!

America has enough of our own criminals, and does NOT want or need millions more illegal alien criminals forced upon our hard working American families!

Illegal aliens need to fix the broken countries they created and ran away from, stop having children they cannot support, and demand change in THEIR countries ....NOT HERE!

America can't sustain millions and millions of illiterate, needy low skilled baby factories who depend the services intended for our struggling American families.
Even a lifeboat sinks when it is overcrowded.

“Legals against Illegals!”

Since: Dec 11

Willing to stand and Fight!

#34 May 29, 2012
They have been in US for years but no mention about trying to start path to legalization?

Easier to stay in the shadows and reap all the freebie benifits.

Illegal is illegal all there is to it!

Sign the petition for enforcing immigration laws.
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-federal-g...

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