Dalai Lama calls Chinese rule in Tibet 'hell on Earth'

[Andrez Lopez]

Our Congress should revoke the award of the Congressional Golden Medal to the DL. The award was made because we found in the DL a tool to enhance our negative policy towards China -- divide and conquer and contain China. It is time to re-examine what we did. The Tibetan monks and exiled lays have no claim to the old and present Tibet. The Tibetan issue which we so often bullshit about is an internal affair of China.

By using the DL to enhance our negative policies towards China, we wrongfully educate our younger generation. We need to send those 7,000 Tibetan monks and lays, all parasites, living on our charity and hospitality in the US and Canada to Dharmasala or to the UK. We can still honor our charitable part of our commitment to feed them until they die of old age by sending them money, but we must give a stop to their abuse of our hospitality. They are harmful to the minds of our younger generation. They preach to us the same what we hear from our churches. They tell us that their Buddhism is the same as our Christian teaching. If so, in the name of Christ, they need to go back to Dharmasala and preach Christianity there, since they make Buddhism so much the same as Christianity. They should preach to the Indians there, that Christians should not be persecuted in India and that Christian churches in India should not be burnt and destroyed.

[Andrez Lopez]

These parasites are an obstable for our younger generation on both side of the Ocean to rapproche. A good relation between our young ones with the Chinese counterparts is the key to world peace. Meanwhile, these Tibetan parasites are abusing their stay here to use it as a platform to throw rocks at our neighbor's yard, China's yard.

Tibetan dinosaurs go preach Christianity in Dharmasala to earn what you have received from us.

[vida]

“Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without”

[Mirolyuba]

Andrez Lopez wrote:

Thank God, the creator of the universe, for having the CCP liberate Tibet.
Thank God, the creator of the universe, for having the DL remove himself from Tibet.
Thank God, the creator of the universe, for having the DL taking his clique to India.
Thank God, the creator of the universe, for at long last the real Tibetans have now the opportunity to listen to the Gospel.
As for the 7,000 Tibetan monks and lays living in the United States and Canada, they should be deported to Dhamarasla so that they can preach to the Indians there, that Christians in India should not be persecuted and their churches should not be burnt or destroyed. They should tell the Indians there that Christians also believe in a merciful God with real compassion to humanity - a compassionate God who is also the creator of all the Lamas.
It is about time that these 7,000 Tibetan monks and lays living on American and Canadian charity should do something in return for the charity they received from us and the 'compassion' we have extended to them. If they prefer not to go to Dharmasala, they should be send back to China so that they can be re-educated to become useful to the global society.

But your "god" is the Chinese Communist Party and its diseased prophet Mao Ze Dung, isn't it?

The party you so slavishly support is ATHIEST and always has been.

How many churches and temples have the CCP and its lackeys destroyed in China since '49? 80% of them? Or is it more?

How many priests and monks have been imprisoned and tortured? How many killed? 100,000? Or more?

Just more lies to deceive, as usual, from amoral, spiritually and intellectually stunted criminals.

Poor China.

[Jungle George]

Andrez Lopez wrote:

These parasites are an obstable for our younger generation on both side of the Ocean to rapproche. A good relation between our young ones with the Chinese counterparts is the key to world peace. Meanwhile, these Tibetan parasites are abusing their stay here to use it as a platform to throw rocks at our neighbor's yard, China's yard.
Tibetan dinosaurs go preach Christianity in Dharmasala to earn what you have received from us.

The basis of your rant 'Tibetan Monks and lay people are parasites' is only true if you accept that the Christian Church is a parasite on the US population. It cannot survive without donations, right?!?!?

Also, Tibetans are free in India and the US to speak their minds, just as you are, just as the Christian Church is, & just as I am!

BUT this is not the case in China. There are about 6-10 million Tibetans vs. a BILLION Chinese! Everyone in China cannot speak freely.

If you are so concerned about US China relations you first need to emphasize the importance of freedom of speech and religion, before condemning a religion expressing those rights in the US and India.

[Carl Spackler]

Jungle George wrote:

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Hey Sperm-breath, YOU need to improve your comprehension skills. This is a forum to discuss Tibetan Autonomy or Independence. Your quasi-sexual reference to the DL does nothing to advance the discussion. Either stick to the topic.... or stick it up your A$$.
Following the You-Tube video showing the beating of ordinary Tibetans by Chinese forces, I have no patience for clowns like you.

So you don't deny that you totally misread my comment. At least you acknowledge that you are a buffoon.
My reference to the Lama is not sexual in any way. It refers strictly to his golf game. The Lama is a big hitter....long. But he is also a notorious non tipper. He's stiffed many a caddy, including me. In lieu of a monetary tip he promised me that total consciousness thing. At least I got that goin for me.

[little robot deja vu]

A Suzuki wrote:

There are tonnes of information and historical relics to support my points.

Glad to hear that you have your own point of view in this brutal forum.

But you will sadly see, no rational talks or different voices can be really discussed here. Check what they reply you?

They will just simply say you are lying...

I am a Chinese who has been to Tibetan areas in many provinces (including Xizhang, Qinghai, Sichuan, Gansu, Yunnan), and I see and I hear.... I read all information from different resources including all those western madiaq.. I know what they talk about Cultural revolution, 1989, Lahsa Riot, bla, bla... from different angles, I know recently, Chinese government is giving extremely heavy control towards those Tibetan areas, that is not surprising as well... if we have again riots, or self-burning, or bombing, in these areas, I guess it's no good to anyone..."but of course, it will be "coloured" here as "gun law, shooting any living tibetans on the street" kind of talk....

[little robot deja vu]

Mirolyuba wrote:

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How many priests and monks have been imprisoned and tortured? How many killed? 100,000? Or more?
Just more lies to deceive, as usual, from amoral, spiritually and intellectually stunted criminals.
Poor China.

"Cultural Revolution" was a very big tragic thing which no Chinese is willing to experience again... Sadly, most of temples in China (includes those in Tibet, so, they are not only victims) have been damaged during that period..(when I go for a temple now, always can read this: destroyed during cultural revolution, re-built in xxxx year), and lots of people were killed, mistreated during this period, not only those religious one...including my grandfather... who was a "Guomingdang" soldier...
Nobody in China is denying this fact now...
But, since 1980s', everything has become better... we care about development, more and more temples are rebuilt.(personally, I don't think too religious is a good thing) But it's a fact...Our life is better and better...My family started from zero, and now, having a very affordable life... we cherish this happiness...and stability of this country... of course there are many democracy problems, politics problems, we are seeing, talking about everyday... but we are also going forward everyday...CCP has lots of problems, not everyone is fan of it... but leave this problem for those who are working for politics... we don't want a revolution again...fight? blood? we all know, to push down a ruling class, it takes blood and lives. To live a current happy time, is more realistic and interesting...
Just very tired to hear, people are using some "old old teeth broken things" (a Chinse Saying: means story is as old as those falling teeth in old man's mouth") to attack China... Cultural revolution, 1989, bla bla...
Appreciate those who like to "set all Chinese free"... Thanks for the concern... We like freedom, just confused by your concept of "freedom". and lots of us are not doing too bad concerning to be free... but we definitely don't want to be as free as "Iraq" or "afghanastan" people..."when they have no democracy, then democracy will be brought to them by guns, bombs, blood"....

[Ramafuchs]

Judge
Dalai Lama should enjoy his life elsewhere but not in DHARMASALA.
If you understand and say that i understand.

How can I understand that you fail to understand my simple English?

UNDERSTAND?

[Andrez Lopez]

Jungle George wrote:

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You are tying together unrelated issues. You have made silly comments, and 'thanking god' makes you sound like a religous nut. What if I did the same thing??!?!
Let me try:
Thank 'god' for the Christians being in power in America so that they can watch with delight as the Chinese torture and brutally execute the Tibetan Buddhists, just as Christ was himself tortured and executed by the Romans and Jews. Thank 'god' for your wonderous ways of showing Christian Fundamentalists the IMPORTANCE OF IRONY!!
HAHAHAHA

I do not post with you in my mind. If you want to follow me in thanking God for something, you do not need to tell me. You do not need my permission. Do what you like. But I like to give

Thanks to God, the creator of the universe, for having the CCP liberte Tibet.

Thanks to God, the creator of the universe, for having the DL remove himself from Tibet.

Thanks to God, the creator of the universe, for at long last the real Tibetans will now have the opportunity to listen to the Gospel.

[Andrez Lopez]

Mirolyuba wrote:

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But your "god" is the Chinese Communist Party and its diseased prophet Mao Ze Dung, isn't it?
The party you so slavishly support is ATHIEST and always has been.
How many churches and temples have the CCP and its lackeys destroyed in China since '49? 80% of them? Or is it more?
How many priests and monks have been imprisoned and tortured? How many killed? 100,000? Or more?
Just more lies to deceive, as usual, from amoral, spiritually and intellectually stunted criminals.
Poor China.

In the Bill Clinton speech welcoming Jiang Zemin in 1997, he had this to say.'I (Clinton) welcome China's decision to invite a delegation of distinguished American religious leaders to China to pursue a dialoque on religious freedom. I'm pleased we have recommitted to discuss our difference over human rights at both governmental and non-governmental levels'.

Note it was China's initiative to invite our religious leaders to China. China is on track to more religious freedom, but with the DL and clique spoiling the soup on the daily basis in this forum, China need to be more cautious in opening up and by being cautious it will slow down the process, which is the DL and clique's fault.

Asia is on the fast track of becoming Christianized. Japan has installed their first Catholic prime minister. South Korea is now the Ireland of Asia where they have more priests than what are needed in their dioceses therefore they are exporting their religious as missioneries to other countries. Rong, daughter of Deng Xiaoping, took the Shanghai Philharmonic orchestra to the Vatican to play music to the Pope.

The DL and his clique is on the way of vanishing. The DL and his clique is 'a thing' that will pull not only the Tibetans but the whole world to the law of the jungle.

I am glad the Chinese government has a touch stand against the DL while opening up to the Christian faith.

This post is not intended to make you feel bad, but for Americans to know what is the trend in China and that we are wasting our money on you.

[Andrez Lopez]

The 7,000 Tibetan exiles should go to Dharmasala to preach Christianity to the Indians who are persecuting the Indian Christians and burning and destroying Indian Christian churches. It is time to give us something in return for the alms and shelters we have provided you for more than 50 years. In these more than 50 years you must have learnt our culture and religion very well. You even compare your kind of Buddhism as good a Christianity. So, go. Go, all of you, to Dharmasala. Tell the Indians there that Christians are no evil. Christians have given you alms and shelter for more than 50 years. You guys were young then, now you are at the age of retirement. Retire from your Buddhism and accept the Christian faith. Stop bullshitting in this forum.

[Jungle George]

Andrez Lopez wrote:

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I do not post with you in my mind. If you want to follow me in thanking God for something, you do not need to tell me. You do not need my permission. Do what you like. But I like to give
Thanks to God, the creator of the universe, for having the CCP liberte Tibet.
Thanks to God, the creator of the universe, for having the DL remove himself from Tibet.
Thanks to God, the creator of the universe, for at long last the real Tibetans will now have the opportunity to listen to the Gospel.

'Thanks to god, for the CCP liberating Tibet?' Did you know that the CCP are communist atheists?

Why again would Tibetan Buddhist spread the 'Gospel'? Are Christians spreading the 8-Fold path?

Your post is a ridiculous amalgam of 'Thanks to god' and misinformation!!

[Mirolyuba]

little robot deja vu wrote:

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"Cultural Revolution" was a very big tragic thing which no Chinese is willing to experience again... Sadly, most of temples in China (includes those in Tibet, so, they are not only victims) have been damaged during that period..(when I go for a temple now, always can read this: destroyed during cultural revolution, re-built in xxxx year), and lots of people were killed, mistreated during this period, not only those religious one...including my grandfather... who was a "Guomingdang" soldier...
Nobody in China is denying this fact now...
But, since 1980s', everything has become better... we care about development, more and more temples are rebuilt.(personally, I don't think too religious is a good thing) But it's a fact...Our life is better and better...My family started from zero, and now, having a very affordable life... we cherish this happiness...and stability of this country... of course there are many democracy problems, politics problems, we are seeing, talking about everyday... but we are also going forward everyday...CCP has lots of problems, not everyone is fan of it... but leave this problem for those who are working for politics... we don't want a revolution again...fight? blood? we all know, to push down a ruling class, it takes blood and lives. To live a current happy time, is more realistic and interesting...
Just very tired to hear, people are using some "old old teeth broken things" (a Chinse Saying: means story is as old as those falling teeth in old man's mouth") to attack China... Cultural revolution, 1989, bla bla...
Appreciate those who like to "set all Chinese free"... Thanks for the concern... We like freedom, just confused by your concept of "freedom". and lots of us are not doing too bad concerning to be free... but we definitely don't want to be as free as "Iraq" or "afghanastan" people..."when they have no democracy, then democracy will be brought to them by guns, bombs, blood"....

But it is okay for the CCP to use "guns, bombs, and blood"? Even to kill their own citizens?

I am familiar with your attitude that it is better to live without thiniking about politics in CCP China. The Chinese Communist Party has created a political sphere that is suitable only for criminals and best avoided by honest people.

I am sorry that you are so afraid to discuss your country, brush off any serious discussion as "old news", and must live in silent, terrified submission, and pretend that it is good and noble, just to salve your conscience.

But the wounds are still open, and unhealed.

All the make-believe and pretending do not change that.

However, I do understand.

You like freedom and democracy, but you like labour camp much less. So you will wait.

But when the time comes (and it will be sooner than you think) you must act, or realize your failure in your duty towards your country and people.

[Jungle George]

little robot deja vu wrote:

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"Cultural Revolution" was a very big tragic thing which no Chinese is willing to experience again... Sadly, most of temples in China (includes those in Tibet, so, they are not only victims) have been damaged during that period..(when I go for a temple now, always can read this: destroyed during cultural revolution, re-built in xxxx year), and lots of people were killed, mistreated during this period, not only those religious one...including my grandfather... who was a "Guomingdang" soldier...
Nobody in China is denying this fact now...
But, since 1980s', everything has become better... we care about development, more and more temples are rebuilt.(personally, I don't think too religious is a good thing) But it's a fact...Our life is better and better...My family started from zero, and now, having a very affordable life... we cherish this happiness...and stability of this country... of course there are many democracy problems, politics problems, we are seeing, talking about everyday... but we are also going forward everyday...CCP has lots of problems, not everyone is fan of it... but leave this problem for those who are working for politics... we don't want a revolution again...fight? blood? we all know, to push down a ruling class, it takes blood and lives. To live a current happy time, is more realistic and interesting...
Just very tired to hear, people are using some "old old teeth broken things" (a Chinse Saying: means story is as old as those falling teeth in old man's mouth") to attack China... Cultural revolution, 1989, bla bla...
Appreciate those who like to "set all Chinese free"... Thanks for the concern... We like freedom, just confused by your concept of "freedom". and lots of us are not doing too bad concerning to be free... but we definitely don't want to be as free as "Iraq" or "afghanastan" people..."when they have no democracy, then democracy will be brought to them by guns, bombs, blood"....

You make too many sacrifices for stability:

>In order to avoid bloodshed and war, you are prepared to live under a benevolent tyrrany? If you do not stand up for the oppressed, who will stand up for you?

>Your family started with zero and now you have a good life. Good. What about those who started with a good life and now have zero? What about those who had a religion and now have dirt?

>You may not want another revolution, but other people do! There are people in China, who do not share in the 'Chinese' dream and do not want to be more Chinese.

>Since the 1980s everything has become better! For whom? For the Han Chinese on the coast. For those who had connections. Former party officials in designer suits. Who weeps for the students of 1989? Who talks about Mao's famines?

>The Tibetans want their leader back, their freedom back. The Chinese want to hold onto Tibet. At some point we need to stop talking and be serious. Are the Chinese ready to kill every Tibetan to hold onto Tibet?