China, Vatican fight over ordination of bishop

China and the Vatican are again sparring over the ordination of a new bishop, underscoring the glaring lack of progress toward resolving the most contentious issue dividing the sides.

[Filmalay]

China wants to install someone who's been to a commie reorientation camp to avoid problems in the future. She wants to dictate what should be told inside the pulpit.

[QUITTNER]

1:55 pm, Thursday, July 5, 2012:
RE: China, Vatican fight over ordination of bishop
..... China can make any appointments of any Chinese "churches", just as the Pope can make any appointments of any Pope-governed "churches". But the pope has no authority over Chinese "churches", just as the Chinese have no authority over Pope-governed "churches". No fighting is necessary over that.

[Cathoholic]

QUITTNER wrote:

1:55 pm, Thursday, July 5, 2012:
RE: China, Vatican fight over ordination of bishop
..... China can make any appointments of any Chinese "churches", just as the Pope can make any appointments of any Pope-governed "churches". But the pope has no authority over Chinese "churches", just as the Chinese have no authority over Pope-governed "churches". No fighting is necessary over that.

The issue is that only Chinese "churches" are legal. The government claims to have the authority to appoint bishops instead of the Pope.

[han solo]

why is this an issue? its long been known that european colonization begins with missionary work

[QUITTNER]

3:18 pm, Thursday, July 5, 2012:
RE: China, Vatican fight over ordination of bishop

Cathoholic wrote:

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The issue is that only Chinese "churches" are legal. The government claims to have the authority to appoint bishops instead of the Pope.

..... Any country can make any laws, and can prevent/prohibit the leader of another country, the Vatican, to have any authority there. That applies also in Islamic countries. Do these even permit any bishops there?

[Commies SciFi]

China and Vietnam both are the same when involve to the Catholic priests or Buddhist Monks issues, both want to overwrite the Vatican's power and all priests bishops Buddhist monks .. etc must be raised by the Communist.

To my understanding, those priests and monks raised by Commies all are not valuable and not supported by local Church/Temple members.

Communist leaders also let fake religious members into the church to spy for the government.

Anything Communist touches, things will be rotten.

[Commies SciFi]

Another words and the conflicting between Church of Vatican and Universitity, for better Edu degree the Communist want to have good degree issued by Yale, Havard or all other big name Universities around the world but religious

Who would hire a Financial Chief he/she had MBA or PhD granted by Communist police Dept? instead must be from a University. The Commies contradicted themselves.

lol .......... LOL

[han solo]

Commies SciFi wrote:

China and Vietnam both are the same when involve to the Catholic priests or Buddhist Monks issues, both want to overwrite the Vatican's power and all priests bishops Buddhist monks .. etc must be raised by the Communist.
To my understanding, those priests and monks raised by Commies all are not valuable and not supported by local Church/Temple members.
Communist leaders also let fake religious members into the church to spy for the government.
Anything Communist touches, things will be rotten.

just listen to urself monkey brains...do the buddhists in usa take directives from buddhist leaders from any other country? a monkey like you can pound on a keyboard but none of it makes sense.

[Commies SciFi]

han solo wrote:

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just listen to urself monkey brains...do the buddhists in usa take directives from buddhist leaders from any other country? a monkey like you can pound on a keyboard but none of it makes sense.

In the past, some of the Catholic priests or Buddhist monks came to overseas for charity events those raised by Communist are not support and boycotted by the real religious members overseas.

They went back home with no money.

Look at HongKong now, the HKers are boycotting the new HK leader raised by Hu Jintao. http://www.mysinchew.com/node/75111

Anything Commies touch that become rotten.

[GAY BOB]

Commies SciFi wrote:

China and Vietnam both are the same when involve to the Catholic priests or Buddhist Monks issues, both want to overwrite the Vatican's power and all priests bishops Buddhist monks .. etc must be raised by the Communist.
To my understanding, those priests and monks raised by Commies all are not valuable and not supported by local Church/Temple members.
Communist leaders also let fake religious members into the church to spy for the government.
Anything Communist touches, things will be rotten.

LOL, anything a priest touches is going to hurt!!

OUCH MY rear!!

[han solo]

Commies SciFi wrote:

<quoted text>
In the past, some of the Catholic priests or Buddhist monks came to overseas for charity events those raised by Communist are not support and boycotted by the real religious members overseas.
They went back home with no money.
Look at HongKong now, the HKers are boycotting the new HK leader raised by Hu Jintao. http://www.mysinchew.com/node/75111
Anything Commies touch that become rotten.

just like the pope is boycotted in china...ur point?

[han solo]

GAY BOB wrote:

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LOL, anything a priest touches is going to hurt!!
OUCH MY rear!!

haha chinese catholocism is not authentic enough because the chinese priests do not molest children!

[Mirolyuba]

Commies SciFi wrote:

<quoted text>
In the past, some of the Catholic priests or Buddhist monks came to overseas for charity events those raised by Communist are not support and boycotted by the real religious members overseas.
They went back home with no money.
Look at HongKong now, the HKers are boycotting the new HK leader raised by Hu Jintao. http://www.mysinchew.com/node/75111
Anything Commies touch that become rotten.

So true!

But why are CCP atheists involving themselves in religion? Is it CCP policy to put people who have no knowledge of something in charge of what they are totally ignorant of? That would explain all the FAKE CREDENTIALS in the CCP ranks, huh?

In the CCP "cream" does not "rise to the top" but "CCP shiht CERTAINLY floats"!

HA HA HA HA HA!

HA HA HA HA HA!

[Commies SciFi]

GAY BOB wrote:

<quoted text>
LOL, anything a priest touches is going to hurt!!
OUCH MY rear!!

In the Western countries, nothing can be hidden and you are right, just less than 1%

han solo wrote:

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just like the pope is boycotted in china...ur point?

All Communist country are under Atheism so ... sure the Commies leaders boycott any religious regardless Pope or Dalai Lama ect...

When Dalai Lama speaks or be invited by world's leaders, why Hu Jintao or Xi Jinping barks and cries loud to the no-where ?

han solo wrote:

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haha chinese catholocism is not authentic enough because the chinese priests do not molest children!

On the news in China. Chinese officials rape anything that moves.

lol ...... LOL

[Commies SciFi]

Mirolyuba wrote:

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So true!
But why are CCP atheists involving themselves in religion? Is it CCP policy to put people who have no knowledge of something in charge of what they are totally ignorant of? That would explain all the FAKE CREDENTIALS in the CCP ranks, huh?
In the CCP "cream" does not "rise to the top" but "CCP shiht CERTAINLY floats"!
HA HA HA HA HA!
HA HA HA HA HA!

I watch TV it re-runs the video the day HK returned to China and China sends troops to HK for taking over the HK's authorities but ....

Now it turns out China is 1 country 2 systems and for the HKers those love Democracy, my hat is off for them all.

I wonder can the HKers have more than 1-child policy ? Anyone knows for the answer I would appreciate in advance.

[CCPareSCUM]

han solo wrote:

why is this an issue? its long been known that european colonization begins with missionary work

Why is this an issue?

Everyone knows that Leninist dictatorships seek to enslave their people by infesting every organization or part of an existing society to turn it into another instrument of control!

It is no surprise. The atheists of the CCP not long ago tried to destroy all religion in China except of course the "CCP Dead Leader Cult", and now after utterly failing at that they have changed to try to subvert it and turn it into another way to imprison the people of China.

The CCP is a corrupt mass-murdering degenerate dictatorship, and of course it will use any scam to better exploit and abuse its Chinese slaves.

[CCPareSCUM]

Commies SciFi wrote:

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I watch TV it re-runs the video the day HK returned to China and China sends troops to HK for taking over the HK's authorities but ....
Now it turns out China is 1 country 2 systems and for the HKers those love Democracy, my hat is off for them all.
I wonder can the HKers have more than 1-child policy ? Anyone knows for the answer I would appreciate in advance.

Under the British Colonial Laws of Hong Kong, there was no limit to how many children you could have. People there (as in every other country on earth) were always free to decide. Hong Kong people still enjoy this natural human freedom to decide this matter for themselves......for now.

Only in China under the Leninst manipulations of the CCP dictatorship are people "controlled" in this way! NOWHERE ELSE ON EARTH ARE PEOPLE ENSLAVED THIS WAY!

The pathetic slaves of the CCP on the mainland are not even masters of their own genitals!

So sad!

We should PITY the poor slaves of the CCP in China! The regime treats its people like ANIMALS to the disgust of all mankind!

[DENG]

things will be rotten

LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE VATICAN IN VIETNAM AND CHINA, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW YET; FIFTH COLUMNISTS.

Commies SciFi wrote:

China and Vietnam both are the same when involve to the Catholic priests or Buddhist Monks issues, both want to overwrite the Vatican's power and all priests bishops Buddhist monks .. etc must be raised by the Communist.
To my understanding, those priests and monks raised by Commies all are not valuable and not supported by local Church/Temple members.
Communist leaders also let fake religious members into the church to spy for the government.

Anything Communist touches, things will be rotten.

[Commies SciFi]

DENG wrote:

things will be rotten
LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE VATICAN IN VIETNAM AND CHINA, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW YET; FIFTH COLUMNISTS.
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LOL.

The history of Vatican to all Communist countries are the same from the 1st day of Karl Marx.

No religious to be allowed in Commies country, all Catholic have to worship their own spirit of the Crucifixion Cross in underground or to be executed.

Today the Communist leaders are playing PacMan game with Vatican but nothing can do or stop when the people with wills are on their demands for free religious .

[DENG]

No religious to be allowed in Commies country

THE HISTORY OF WESTERN RELIGION IS IT IS USED AS A WAY TO DESTABILIZE GOVERNMENTS FOR WESTERN IMPERIALISM USING SOUTH AMERICA AND LATIN AMERICA AND ASIA AS AN EXAMPLE.

DENG wrote:

things will be rotten

LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE VATICAN IN VIETNAM AND CHINA, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW YET; FIFTH COLUMNISTS.

<quoted text>

LOL.

The history of Vatican to all Communist countries are the same from the 1st day of Karl Marx.

No religious to be allowed in Commies country, all Catholic have to worship their own spirit of the Crucifixion Cross in underground or to be executed.

Today the Communist leaders are playing PacMan game with Vatican but nothing can do or stop when the people with wills are on their demands for free religious .

Commies SciFi wrote:

<quoted text>
LOL.
The history of Vatican to all Communist countries are the same from the 1st day of Karl Marx.
No religious to be allowed in Commies country, all Catholic have to worship their own spirit of the Crucifixion Cross in underground or to be executed.
Today the Communist leaders are playing PacMan game with Vatican but nothing can do or stop when the people with wills are on their demands for free religious .