Toyota Fined for BRIBERY-Oriental

Toyota Fined for BRIBERY-Oriental

There are 39 comments on the www.reuters.com story from Sep 21, 2010, titled Toyota Fined for BRIBERY-Oriental. In it, www.reuters.com reports that:

Toyota Motor Corp's Chinese auto finance unit has been fined by the authorities in the city of Hangzhou for alleged involvement in commercial bribery, China's Xinhua News Agency reported on Tuesday.

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“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#1 Sep 21, 2010
Can it get any worse for Toyota?
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#2 Sep 21, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
Can it get any worse for Toyota?
Once again, JJFADS takes an article which says one thing and twists it another way to support his fetish about all things Toyota.

This isn't as much about Toyota as it is about a huge trade battle between China and Japan, and is more political than anything else.
Those two countries are at odds over other more serious political issues, and this is a manifestation of those issues.
In this case Toyota finds itself in the middle of two sqabbling countries, and has been chosen as a political pawn by one of those countries.
The article makes that quite clear.
And if JJFADS reads The Economist as much as he claims to, he would have read the real truth about this last week.
wonc

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Sep 21, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, JJFADS takes an article which says one thing and twists it another way to support his fetish about all things Toyota.
This isn't as much about Toyota as it is about a huge trade battle between China and Japan, and is more political than anything else.
Those two countries are at odds over other more serious political issues, and this is a manifestation of those issues.
In this case Toyota finds itself in the middle of two sqabbling countries, and has been chosen as a political pawn by one of those countries.
The article makes that quite clear.
And if JJFADS reads The Economist as much as he claims to, he would have read the real truth about this last week.
Mr. Stop it is just another import lover who likes to do double speaking. Ignore him.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#4 Sep 21, 2010
Y'know JJ--I could care less about Toyota and its foibles. Really!
But I really don't like it very much when someone distorts the truth about others to the extent you choose to do.
If there ever was some kind of award for deceit, you would be in the top one percent of eligible candidates.

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#5 Sep 21, 2010
Toyota was fined for bribery. Do not shoot the messenger.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#6 Sep 21, 2010
wonc wrote:
<quoted text>Mr. Stop it is just another import lover who likes to do double speaking. Ignore him.
And the proxy posting continues.
The games people play to be noticed!

PS to "Wonc".
FYI, I'm not for or against imports, and unlike some(yourself included) double speak isn't my game.
And as long as people like you continue to act like petulent children, you will find it very difficult if not impossible to ignore me!
Trust me.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#7 Sep 21, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
Toyota was fined for bribery. Do not shoot the messenger.
JJFADS--you don't qualify as "The messenger"
"Messengers" in the classic are usually trustworthy individuals who can be counted on to speak truthfully.
You sir, as a rule, make a mockery of the truth.
Dealing in inference, innuendo, conjecture, speculation, etc., is obviously your choice.
What you deliver here aren't "messages" by any means.
That particular choice doesn't make you a competent messenger, so you really should avoid presenting yourself as such.
wonc

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Sep 21, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
And the proxy posting continues.
The games people play to be noticed!
PS to "Wonc".
FYI, I'm not for or against imports, and unlike some(yourself included) double speak isn't my game.
And as long as people like you continue to act like petulent children, you will find it very difficult if not impossible to ignore me!
Trust me.
Dude, your posts mostly contain bias against American cars. It is so sad to see that you are still in willful denial.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#9 Sep 22, 2010
wonc wrote:
<quoted text>Dude, your posts mostly contain bias against American cars. It is so sad to see that you are still in willful denial.
Hey to you too dude---you don't have a clue about what I like or dislike, so knock off the gamesmanship and start acting like an adult.
FYI--I have always owned North American cars, and currently have four GM trucks in one of my businesses---Cube van and three Siverados, and have three NA cars in another business--Grand Cherokee (diesel), Chrysler 300, and a Dodge Minivan.
My own personal vehicle is curently a Ford product---the only foreign car we have is my wife's--she has a VW New Beetle converible--why, I don't know, but it's her decision and I support it.
The only "bias" I will admit to is what I've always said here---I have a big problem with those who aren't truthful, and/or who act like you do---immature children.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#10 Sep 22, 2010
Further to the above---for "Wonc's" benefit:

Re my "Bias"---it is, and always has been, focussed on JJFADS---even he must admit that as truthful!
Why---because he, more than any other poster, has singled out one automaker as his personal crusade---in spite of the fact that he accuses that particular automaker of doing what all other automakers (especially US automakers!)have been doing for decades.
Add to that the fact that he's supposed to be an administrator for Topix--and that's where JJ goes completely off the rails because he's abusing the responsibilities of a privileged position.
Picking on one automaker isn't of itself such a bad thing, but how JJFADS goes about dealing with his crusade is the issue I take exception to.
I don't agree with JJ's tactics---mainly arrogant, politicized, and alarmist smoke blowing, with an added element of racist rhetoric.
Add to this his hypocritical support (and participation) of crude and profane personal attacks on others, and there's a package which is totally unacceptable in my view.
Am I biased?---yes---for good reason.
Am I right?--also yes---and also for good reason.

So "Wonc"--I guess you'll just have to suck it up and deal with that bias!

“Most Honored Senior Member ”

Since: Jun 09

Dallas, TX.

#11 Sep 22, 2010
Aloha
Sound like someone did not like the article. Have some pineapple.
Relax and enjoy.
Loz

United States

#12 Sep 22, 2010
Copy and paste would be considered a messenger in my book. Don't see any opinion or twists. Just a link. Why the immature childish accusations?
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#13 Sep 23, 2010
Loz wrote:
Copy and paste would be considered a messenger in my book. Don't see any opinion or twists. Just a link. Why the immature childish accusations?
My complaint is the header for this topic and its author--it tells only one part of the story.
Nothing is mentioned in the title or JJ's followup comments which go to context---China and Japan are currently close to a shooting war over two issues--land claims and trade disputes, and this so-called "fine" is just a political ploy. The article says as much.
JJFADS, who cherry picks everything he can dredge up about one single automaker obviously uses the article for much more than just "messenger" service.
Why this bizarre fetish about only one company defies logic in my opinion, and appears to be some kind of neurotic obssession.
If you choose to ascribe "immature childish accusations" to my questioning JJ's motives here, then let's be fair---JJFADS' fetish clearly falls into the same category, and more so.
His posting of this obscure kerfiffle between China and Japan is another example of a "childish, immature", and clearly absurd fetish.

Criticize my opinion to your heart's content, but I'll stand by it!
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#14 Sep 23, 2010
JJFADS wrote:
Aloha
Sound like someone did not like the article. Have some pineapple.
Relax and enjoy.
As usual, the JJFADS "twist" is introduced.
I made it perfectly clear JJ.
I have no problem with the article.
My issue is (a) with the one who posted it;(b)the motive behind posting it;(c)The absence of context when posted.

Caution--pineapple is too acidic unless some rum is included.
Tequila is a decent substitute if rum is unavailable.
And don't try eating the pineapple skin.
ZIPPERHEAD

New York, NY

#15 Sep 23, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
My complaint is the header for this topic and its author--it tells only one part of the story.
Nothing is mentioned in the title or JJ's followup comments which go to context---China and Japan are currently close to a shooting war over two issues--land claims and trade disputes, and this so-called "fine" is just a political ploy. The article says as much.
JJFADS, who cherry picks everything he can dredge up about one single automaker obviously uses the article for much more than just "messenger" service.
Why this bizarre fetish about only one company defies logic in my opinion, and appears to be some kind of neurotic obssession.
If you choose to ascribe "immature childish accusations" to my questioning JJ's motives here, then let's be fair---JJFADS' fetish clearly falls into the same category, and more so.
His posting of this obscure kerfiffle between China and Japan is another example of a "childish, immature", and clearly absurd fetish.
Criticize my opinion to your heart's content, but I'll stand by it!
Go eat your puppy you filthy GOOK!
Loz

United States

#16 Sep 23, 2010
Stop It wrote:
<quoted text>
Criticize my opinion to your heart's content, but I'll stand by it!
Now that is a respectable statement wether or not I agree. Personally, I worked for a Toyota dealer as a Business Development Manager for 3 years and I can tell you, Toyotas are way overrated. I only buy American UAW made cars, only shop at union supermarkets, and am anti-foriegn anything.

I support Americans and America economically. Granted many foriegn automakers assemble their highest volume vehicles in America but still the money spent supports foriegn economies at the end of the day.

I wish more Americans thought like me but unions are the new scapegoats for the economic situation and uninformed people just repeat what they heard someone else says without researching and blame the UAW for the problems Chrysler and GM went through without considering the fact they were making low MPG vehicles during the rising gas prices and the engineering been poor for decades hurting their reliability. So hard working Americans are the fall guys for poor engineering and management and parrots repeat what they heard on Fox News or some guy in a bar said. I wish more people would realize to be a true patriot you support what's best for American workers and not pointing fingers at them.

At the end of the day a business's agenda is to make a profit and that comes before their most valuable commodity, their producers aka employees. Without them their is no product and no profit. Granted there has been much union corruption over the years, but not nearly as much corruption when compared to corporate corruption and the stealing of billions from American people. Most unions are realistic when asking for a more fair share of the pie as far as taking profit and using it for better wages and benefits of the many vs multi-million dollar bonuses for a few people.

How people can shop at Walmart knowing how they treat their employees is beyond me. People say, "well if the employees don't like it they should quit.", but when you have such a monopoly on the retail industry there is no other options. I hope unions are successful in organizing Walmart employees so they can make the money they deserve. I'm not saying they should make 6 figures a year to work a cash register but if they get up everyday and show up for work for one of the most profitable companies in the world they deserve more than close to minumum wage and no benefits.

Ford offers great wages, benefits, and retirement for their employees and didn't take any bailout money and Toyota could offer the same but wouldn't unless a union stepped in. Toyota assembly line workers make close to $9 less in their paychecks, pay a much larger portion of their benefits, and couldn't come close to Ford as far as the retirement package they offer their employees. Both companies make quality products and are very profitable but Toyota shares less with their workforce and put's it in to the hands of a few CEO's in Japan. I made a lot of money working at my position at a Toyota dealer but resigned because of my principles. Currently living off my savings and looking for work in a union or union supported atmosphere. Time for American's to organize and unite and stop bickering at each other. Tea Party, Progressives, Pro-Union, Anti-Union, whatever, we are all Americans and should be aiming for a common goal to support ourselves as Americans and not going at each other's throats. I hate what our country is becoming.
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#17 Sep 23, 2010
ZIPPERHEAD wrote:
<quoted text>
Go eat your puppy you filthy GOOK!
"Zipperhead"?
Seems aptly named!

Is the zipper there to insert a brain later in life?
Patroit

Sturgis, MI

#18 Sep 23, 2010
Loz wrote:
<quoted text>
Now that is a respectable statement wether or not I agree. Personally, I worked for a Toyota dealer as a Business Development Manager for 3 years and I can tell you, Toyotas are way overrated. I only buy American UAW made cars, only shop at union supermarkets, and am anti-foriegn anything.
I support Americans and America economically. Granted many foriegn automakers assemble their highest volume vehicles in America but still the money spent supports foriegn economies at the end of the day.
I wish more Americans thought like me but unions are the new scapegoats for the economic situation and uninformed people just repeat what they heard someone else says without researching and blame the UAW for the problems Chrysler and GM went through without considering the fact they were making low MPG vehicles during the rising gas prices and the engineering been poor for decades hurting their reliability. So hard working Americans are the fall guys for poor engineering and management and parrots repeat what they heard on Fox News or some guy in a bar said. I wish more people would realize to be a true patriot you support what's best for American workers and not pointing fingers at them.
At the end of the day a business's agenda is to make a profit and that comes before their most valuable commodity, their producers aka employees. Without them their is no product and no profit. Granted there has been much union corruption over the years, but not nearly as much corruption when compared to corporate corruption and the stealing of billions from American people. Most unions are realistic when asking for a more fair share of the pie as far as taking profit and using it for better wages and benefits of the many vs multi-million dollar bonuses for a few people.
How people can shop at Walmart knowing how they treat their employees is beyond me. People say, "well if the employees don't like it they should quit.", but when you have such a monopoly on the retail industry there is no other options. I hope unions are successful in organizing Walmart employees so they can make the money they deserve. I'm not saying they should make 6 figures a year to work a cash register but if they get up everyday and show up for work for one of the most profitable companies in the world they deserve more than close to minumum wage and no benefits.
Ford offers great wages, benefits, and retirement for their employees and didn't take any bailout money and Toyota could offer the same but wouldn't unless a union stepped in. Toyota assembly line workers make close to $9 less in their paychecks, pay a much larger portion of their benefits, and couldn't come close to Ford as far as the retirement package they offer their employees. Both companies make quality products and are very profitable but Toyota shares less with their workforce and put's it in to the hands of a few CEO's in Japan. I made a lot of money working at my position at a Toyota dealer but resigned because of my principles. Currently living off my savings and looking for work in a union or union supported atmosphere. Time for American's to organize and unite and stop bickering at each other. Tea Party, Progressives, Pro-Union, Anti-Union, whatever, we are all Americans and should be aiming for a common goal to support ourselves as Americans and not going at each other's throats. I hate what our country is becoming.
Thank you finally an American consumer who cares about his country!!! Thats what I'm talkin about!!!
Patroit

Sturgis, MI

#19 Sep 23, 2010
Stop It wrote:
Further to the above---for "Wonc's" benefit:
Re my "Bias"---it is, and always has been, focussed on JJFADS---even he must admit that as truthful!
Why---because he, more than any other poster, has singled out one automaker as his personal crusade---in spite of the fact that he accuses that particular automaker of doing what all other automakers (especially US automakers!)have been doing for decades.
Add to that the fact that he's supposed to be an administrator for Topix--and that's where JJ goes completely off the rails because he's abusing the responsibilities of a privileged position.
Picking on one automaker isn't of itself such a bad thing, but how JJFADS goes about dealing with his crusade is the issue I take exception to.
I don't agree with JJ's tactics---mainly arrogant, politicized, and alarmist smoke blowing, with an added element of racist rhetoric.
Add to this his hypocritical support (and participation) of crude and profane personal attacks on others, and there's a package which is totally unacceptable in my view.
Am I biased?---yes---for good reason.
Am I right?--also yes---and also for good reason.
So "Wonc"--I guess you'll just have to suck it up and deal with that bias!
Talk about immature,bias,arrogance and being in denial, look in the mirror! I hope YOU find this comment profane, biased and all the mentioned negativity. But most of all and you wont ,find them true about you!
Stop It

Belle River, Canada

#20 Sep 23, 2010
Patroit wrote:
<quoted text> Talk about immature,bias,arrogance and being in denial, look in the mirror! I hope YOU find this comment profane, biased and all the mentioned negativity. But most of all and you wont ,find them true about you!
I don't find your comments profane---but I do find them---well---just a little stupid!

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