Russia and China

Russia and China

There are 1667 comments on the Economist.com story from Nov 30, 2006, titled Russia and China. In it, Economist.com reports that:

BEIJING, IRKUTSK AND MOSCOW From The Economist print edition Russia and China are getting along better than ever - for now TASS TWO years ago, Irina Abdulova, a sociologist in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, ...

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Yada

Humble, TX

#1 Dec 2, 2006
So the raiding for women by chinese is in evidence already. Very well.
siloviki

Mcbride, Canada

#2 Dec 3, 2006
I don't trust the Mongols.
Yada

Humble, TX

#3 Dec 3, 2006
No,'tis not that.

'Tis just that the overpopulated countries of India and PRC both have too many men to women. They must at some point find ways to obtain women for reporductive purposes. Human trafficking and kidnapping are already occurring but cannot bring enough numbers. The natural progression is raiding by war to get them. The eastern Russians allege that the chines are in fact raiding their women by coming across the Yangste. I cannot prove it.

There are plenty of available women in the middle east and Africa for them to shanghai. Let's see if rumours of the sort will surface soon.
Jenna

Knightdale, NC

#4 Dec 28, 2006
siloviki wrote:
I don't trust the Mongols.
The "Mongols"? Many Russians (including myself) have Mongolian blood from their invading Eastern Europe so if you are Russian you might have some as well. The Chinese are lovely beautiful people. I have never met such wonderful people as I did when my husband and I lived in Beijing for a year. I would love to see a Chinese-Russian marriage service set up so that there could be more marriages like mine.
Evenson

Australia

#5 Dec 28, 2006
"I would love to see a Chinese-Russian marriage service set up so that there could be more marriages like mine."-I thought they would of had one already.
David

Prague, Czech Republic

#6 Dec 29, 2006
Jenna wrote:
<quoted text>The "Mongols"? Many Russians (including myself) have Mongolian blood from their invading Eastern Europe so if you are Russian you might have some as well. The Chinese are lovely beautiful people. I have never met such wonderful people as I did when my husband and I lived in Beijing for a year. I would love to see a Chinese-Russian marriage service set up so that there could be more marriages like mine.
dont worry...its on his way...

very soon Russia will be called Chussia and Moscow Chincow...

Dima-Chima; Dan-Chan, Kolia-Cholia, Putin-Huitin...etc.

P.S. i have been in China too but however I found it extremely difficult to find anyone who speaks any foreign languages(it is almost impossible)…

The reason why they were nice to you was the country of your origin-USA and their dream to end up there one day…
Jenna

Zebulon, NC

#7 Dec 30, 2006
Actually, David, I think the reason why they were so nice to my family and me was the fact that they hadn't seen many Chinese man-White woman marriages there. They treated my husband like a rock star when he walked down the street with his tall red head wife and two sons and people constantly were asking if he were rich or famous because they couldn't believe that a Chinese man could get a pretty white girl otherwise. My husband said he felt like Mick Jagger in Beijing! The people were so happy to finally see a Chinese man do what the white guys usually do with getting one of their pretty Chinese women, most applauded my husband and complete starngers came up to us and congratulated my husband on such success. Now, I think that I'm the lucky one because he is gorgeous and brillant and so sweet so I'm not bragging or anything here. I am so grateful everyday that I have such an amazing man. As for the marriage service, I just think it would work out well. Both the Chinese and Russians are beautiful people, both are very traditional, and the Chinese-Russian biracial children are so beautiful (my sons look completely Chinese except they are much taller and more muscular and a bit lighter in the skin tone).
As for foreign language study, most of the Chinese in Beijing had studied English since they were 8 or sometimes younger so I really didn't have much problem with that. Many Chinese are studying now for the upcoming Olympics so there's probably even more who speak English now, but if you wanted them to speak Czech or Russian you might have a problem finding one for that.
As for coming to the US, many (if not most) Chinese love China and would hate to leave for good. My own sons cried when we left China and my older one intends to have a second home there when he is an adult because he loved it so.
David

Prague, Czech Republic

#8 Dec 30, 2006
Jenna wrote:
Actually, David, I think the reason why they were so nice...
Such a nice love story…but the real life is different…

I do agree that Russians are beautiful(I talk about the girls), I think they are the most beautiful, but also mean and arrogant like Americans(most and not all of them)… but if you find some smart Russian girl (very difficult to find) you are very lucky…

What about Chinese women I think they are ugly…:)

Don’t want to be mean to you but wasn’t it the popularity of yours that made you too feel so good in China?

There are some types of people who love to be in the centre of attention…since they can not excite anyone in their own country(not everyone can be Mick Jagger or Elvis Presley ), they go somewhere else and feel like kings without crown there…since I hate to attract the attention among crowd(especially if its is artificial), I call this type of people stupid…

This is the most disgusting thing in China, you can not walk there normally bec everybody looks at you and you are like a Santa among kids…

P.S. I believe we are all human being and are pretty much the same and it does not really matter where you were born in China or Russia or Gabon, we are all the same…

Are you Russian?

Since: Dec 06

London, UK

#9 Dec 30, 2006
David said that
"What about Chinese women I think they are ugly…:)"

What Zhang Ziyi Ugly? Gong Li Ugly? Do you wear glasses by any chance?

Gong Li is in her mid forties and she is gorgeous as ever.
David

Prague, Czech Republic

#10 Dec 30, 2006
MajorMalfunction wrote:
David said that
"What about Chinese women I think they are ugly…:)"
What Zhang Ziyi Ugly? Gong Li Ugly? Do you wear glasses by any chance?
Gong Li is in her mid forties and she is gorgeous as ever.
its just matter of taste...

also it is weak argument to support idea that Chinese are beautiful...
I think

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#11 Dec 30, 2006
David wrote:
<quoted text>
its just matter of taste...
also it is weak argument to support idea that Chinese are beautiful...
Says who? You? Ppl are subject to their own opinions and as for you u obviously have this white supremacist kind of mind set here. A pity. Speakin of ugliness we needs not look any futher.

Jenna

United States

#12 Dec 30, 2006
Oh, mon cher David,
I find it to be so sad that you find the Chinese to be ugly (or can say that any large group of people is ugly). Personally, I believe that the Chinese (both the men and women) are the most beautiful in the world. I know that it is all a matter of taste, but the eyes are gorgeous both in shape and colour, the skin and hair are so lovely, and their features are just perfect. I have always loved the Chinese, both the culture and the people, since I was a little girl, and I simply can't believe that anyone would call them ugly. To me, there is not a more perfect people on this planet.
As for my ethnicity, my father was born in St. Petersburg, Russia and grew up in Poland (where his father was from) until Hitler invaded and then he and his mother and siblings came to the States where many years later I was born. I look very Russian except for my colouring which comes from my mum who is Irish (so I have green eyes and auburn hair). I'm very glad that you like the Russian look, but I wonder why you find Russians and Americans to be arrogant. Most of both I have found to be wonderful, charming people. Americans tend to be more xenophobic than most Europeans, but many are open to learning more about foreign cultures when the opportunity presents itself. It's simply that America is so isolated that many Americans don't learn other languages since they won't get the chance to use them much (unless it's Spanish).
As for feeling so out of place in China, well, nonAsians are out of place in China. If you went to a small village in Africa you wouldn't be surprised to see that most of the people are shocked to see foreigners. For the most part, the Chinese are so kind and considerate to foreigners, much more so than I have seen in another country. They all seem interested in learning new langauges and customs and I have never met an unfriendly Chinese person. It's not that my husband is an attention seeker, but he did enjoy that people thought highly of him for having a white wife and two sons (something rather unusual in China). I think it's cute that the children are so open and interested in foreigners. They all were such cute little darlings. I constantly asked my husband "How in a country of over a billion people can all of them be so beautiful?" and he would laugh and say, "Well, we Chinese make everything high quality, especially our people". I thought that was cute. The bottom line is that if you want to go to a place where you won't be stared at, then perhaps you should stay in a land where most people resemble you. Otherwise, it is simply natural for people to stare. I think that perhaps you should give the Chinese another chance. They are an amazing people and culture in every sense of the word.
Jenna

United States

#13 Dec 30, 2006
MajorMalfunction wrote:
David said that
"What about Chinese women I think they are ugly…:)"
What Zhang Ziyi Ugly? Gong Li Ugly? Do you wear glasses by any chance?
Gong Li is in her mid forties and she is gorgeous as ever.
Gong Li is probably the most beautiful woman on the planet. I'm completely hetreo, but when she is in a film, she takes my breath away!
David

Prague, Czech Republic

#14 Dec 31, 2006
I still think that Chinese women are ugly..:) you can't really compare them to Russians, sorry China…
David

Prague, Czech Republic

#15 Dec 31, 2006
Jenna you seem to be really good person. and attractive as well :) now i see why Chinese were crazy for you...

how old are you? have you been to Russia?
Lila

Sydney, Australia

#16 Dec 31, 2006
David wrote:
I still think that Chinese women are ugly..:) you can't really compare them to Russians, sorry China…
I strongly disagree with you David. One thing is :I seldom find fat Chinese women as I find in Europeon women! Here again you might find fatness is a form of beauty! Chinese women have elegant physiques,charm and beautiful complexion . Here again black is beautiful too! It is all based on our cultural perceptions and preferences. There are "beautiful" and "ugly" women in all races.
I think

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#17 Dec 31, 2006
Ah i see this David must be russian. But if you ever been to Hong Kong there are now alot of Russian girls there.

As far as I know alot of white man goes to China and look for a Chinese wife. There is an increase of number of white women there too looking for chinese man. Alas, but the chinese men are just not so open or tend to be too shy. Anyway for beautiful chinese man and woman u just need to look at the Taiwan and Hong Kong entertainment industry u can find a whole lot of them. Let's name some that we know who are very famous

Woman:
Maggie Cheung, Zhang Ziyi, Michelle Yeoh (Gotta be proub of her she's a Malaysian chinese, there are rumors that she be starring in the next coming final episode of the indiana jones), Gong li, Faye Wong, Michelle Reis...etc etc

Man.
Tony Leung (Famous for Hero and Infernal Affairs, for those who dun know "Infernal Affairs" is being adapted and brought over by hollywood and remake into the hollywood version named "The Departed" starring Jack Nicholason, Leonardo Dicaprio, Mark
Warlberg and Matt Damon)

Chow Yuen Fatt, well as far as I know all the white girls are crazy about him.

Jackie Chan, this one every body knows I dun find him handsome actually he just manly maybe white girls likes manly guy. There is once long ago when he annonced he is getting married some crazed Japanese fans committed suicide.

Andy Lau, Infernal Affairs very famous in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Basically all chinese loves him.

Stephen Chow, Kung Fu hustle, think this one is very famous in the west the movie and its actually sponsored by Columbia.

Bruce Lee and Brandon Lee, Both are iconic Both are deceased and Both are the legends.

etc etc

Another thing French sure loves chinese they gives all kinds of awards to them from cannes.

Look at memoirs of the geisha, its a japanese story but all the actresses are chinese. zhang Ziyi, Gong Li and Michelle Yeoh.

This is just but a few that actually goes for the international standard. If you just look at those that concentrate in Asia only there are in fact alot alot more.
I think

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#18 Dec 31, 2006
Sorri I forget about Jet li ;-)
David

Prague, Czech Republic

#19 Jan 1, 2007
is there anyone who agrees that Chinese women are ugly?:)

Lilia, you seem to be very fat aren’t you? Chinese are slim bec they have got not enough money to eat 20 times per day like you do...otherwise they would have been as fat as you are...

most important part of women’s' beauty is brain and not breasts and ass
I think

Malaysia

#20 Jan 1, 2007
Tryin to ganner sum support huh?^^. Nice....let see how many do agree david is an idiotic azzhole... ;p, btw so far i see 4 vs 1 here, hmm hmmm.....and pls dun call ppl fat when ppl dun agree with u, grow some balls and grow up...:-)

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