Since: Aug 12

United States

#19852 Aug 9, 2013
UdintEARNthat wrote:
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When you say Socialism, do you mean like Social Security or are you referring to the infrastructure, police and fire services and the education of American children?
Social Security is a straight up ponzi scheme.

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#19853 Aug 9, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
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Social Security is a straight up ponzi scheme.
and No rights to Social Security what so ever the SCOTUS Ruled in 1960 in the case of Flemmng v Nestor and it was because of Section 1104 of the 1935 Act, entitled "RESERVATION OF POWER," specifically said: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress." Even so, some have thought that this reservation was in some way unconstitutional.

This is the issue finally settled by Flemming v. Nestor.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19854 Aug 9, 2013
UdintEARNthat wrote:
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When you say Socialism, do you mean like Social Security or are you referring to the infrastructure, police and fire services and the education of American children?
Socialism. As in the cradle-to-grave nanny state government.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19855 Aug 9, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Valid points. I am amazed at all of those that don't think that Detroit can happen to the country. Just a shocking level of non-thinking!
Detroit is a role model for California if they don't get their act together.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19856 Aug 9, 2013
UdintEARNthat wrote:
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A temp work force is nothing new. It's the country GW Bush created. Besides, all those lazy kids of the guy who started the company...oops...I mean highly valued job creators, haven't been paying for health insurance they keep crying about. The temp services pay for all that. Besides, Obamacare was just peachy when the Conservative Right first drafted it.
It was? Then why didn't it receive any support? Why was it never introduced as serious legislation by the Republican party?

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#19857 Aug 9, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Detroit is a role model for California if they don't get their act together.
Exactly try to tell Frank & Spocko that.

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#19858 Aug 9, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Socialism. As in the cradle-to-grave nanny state government.
that is Exactly how the Modern Pseudo Liberals view Socialism and how it should function.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19859 Aug 9, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Try to open your little mind a bit and look at news all over the country and you'll see some areas are reporting that under the new exchange some health care premiums are getting cut in half or better. Kinda doubled up the number the lying Taylor broad threw out there which has already been shot down as being political wrangling.
Shot down by whom?

If these exchanges are saving anybody any money, please explain how that works. Better yet, please provide proof of this.

Don't you ever question your leaders, or do you always follow like a blind sheep? You find nothing amiss about DumBama when he put off the employer mandate until after elections? You find nothing amiss about him giving Congress and their workers a free pass so they don't get strangled by Obama Care? You didn't question why he was passing out waivers to businesses on Obama Care in the last couple of years?
Pops

Newport, KY

#19860 Aug 9, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>You are correct that is Socialism but not as Marxs describes it where Marx said the government doesn't provide nothing for people which people have to work for it and why Modern Day Socialism here in the US is going to fail and the reason is some people are paying(givers) and some are not(takers) which most are part of the Entitlement Society and that is what is killing the United States Socially & Economically which we have to many takers only.
Let's not forget that the federal constitution compels or mandates certain functions & responsibilities that some people use in arguments as 'socialist' & likely every state constitution does too. The examples of police, fire & schools being socialism is somewhat ludicrous.
Especially when governed by states, counties & cities.
Pops

Newport, KY

#19861 Aug 9, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Detroit is a role model for California if they don't get their act together.
AND possibly the entire country.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19862 Aug 9, 2013
xxxtruckstop wrote:
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That's nice and all, but it turns out the whole "88% increase" thing you speak of is just another sneaky ploy. Strange. Me and all my "Liberal" friends have worked hard and paid our taxes all our lives. Wonder why the now has been GOP keeps calling the hard working Americans that carry this country on their backs "free loaders"? Let's see. Newt kept crying about Clinton cheating, when in fact, Newt was cheating. Perhaps, these corporate fetch boy, bonus CEO, off shore loopholes are the free loaders and are rightfully viewed by the majority of hard working Americans as leeches on the necks of society.
Keep trying, you little scandal makers. You're almost there.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113440/oba... #
Great. You keep believing the New Republic and I'll keep believing the Ohio Department of Insurance and the Washington Times.

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#19863 Aug 9, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Let's not forget that the federal constitution compels or mandates certain functions & responsibilities that some people use in arguments as 'socialist' & likely every state constitution does too. The examples of police, fire & schools being socialism is somewhat ludicrous.
Especially when governed by states, counties & cities.
that is why Karl Marxs said that the US was based on and Labeled the US as Socialism but back then everybody had to work and the government didn't provide like they do today besides these people today that are dependent on the Federal Government back then would starve to death.

Since: Aug 11

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#19864 Aug 9, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>AND possibly the entire country.
Exactly
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19865 Aug 9, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Let's not forget that the federal constitution compels or mandates certain functions & responsibilities that some people use in arguments as 'socialist' & likely every state constitution does too. The examples of police, fire & schools being socialism is somewhat ludicrous.
Especially when governed by states, counties & cities.
Not only that, but police, fire and schools are actually regulated by the people and not the politicians. Some places only have the Sheriff to rely on for protection and perhaps a volunteer fire department if that. It's the people who fund these entities and decide on how much they will pay in taxes to have them.

Government is good for some things and terrible for others. But if you put a businessman in charge of government, chances are he will run the government like a business and make it a success. If you take a professional politician and have him run a business the way he ran a government, chances are that business will fold up in a matter of a few years.
Pops

Newport, KY

#19866 Aug 9, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Not only that, but police, fire and schools are actually regulated by the people and not the politicians. Some places only have the Sheriff to rely on for protection and perhaps a volunteer fire department if that. It's the people who fund these entities and decide on how much they will pay in taxes to have them.
Government is good for some things and terrible for others. But if you put a businessman in charge of government, chances are he will run the government like a business and make it a success. If you take a professional politician and have him run a business the way he ran a government, chances are that business will fold up in a matter of a few years.
Thanx for completing & clarifying what I didn't do so well. That being that in the lower tiers of government the people rule.
NO one that I can think of equates Washing D.C. as being "of the people, by the people & for the people" any longer.
Let me add that;
Our Founding Fathers would possibly be for a new armed revolution & agree with that or not, I would understand.
There was a reason that the Constitution that they penned & signed, LIMITED the powers of the Federal Gov & they were very specific as to the responsibilities of the Federal Government while EXCLUDING everything else.
It keeps power closer to the people!
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19867 Aug 9, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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It was? Then why didn't it receive any support? Why was it never introduced as serious legislation by the Republican party?
Your questions contain false premises. The bill including a health insurance mandate WAS introduced by the Republicans and had 21 co-sponsors in the Senate:

"In November, 1993, Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., introduced what was considered to be one of the main Republican health overhaul proposals: "A bill to provide comprehensive reform of the health care system of the United States."

Titled the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993," it had 21 co-sponsors, including two Democrats (Sens. Boren and Kerrey)."

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#19868 Aug 10, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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But if you put a businessman in charge of government, chances are he will run the government like a business and make it a success.
"And then we get the big three—the men widely considered by historians to be the worst presidents of the modern era: Warren G. Harding, Herbert Hoover, and George W. Bush. One left the country on the verge of a depression, one left the country in a depression, and one presided over such corruption and ineptitude that despite the failings of the other two he still manages to get the lowest ranking of them all. And yet all three made millions of dollars in the private sector before entering politics. All three were successful businessmen (a newspaper publisher, a mining tycoon, and the owner of a professional baseball team)."

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/0...
BUBBA

Kenton, OH

#19869 Aug 10, 2013
Who cares about the dang governor.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#19870 Aug 10, 2013
UdintEARNthat wrote:
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I never b1tched about paying taxes. Is this another one of those sneaky GOP ploys? Besides, we all know those companies fled the country under GW Bush. You kookie Tea Baggers. Always trying to rewrite history.
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Fled the country???? NCR, the last fortune 500 company left in Dayton fled to Georgia. High Tech company Agilysis in Solon fled to Georgia.
.
The Tea Party knows you're so full of shitt yer eyes are brown.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#19871 Aug 10, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Thanx for completing & clarifying what I didn't do so well. That being that in the lower tiers of government the people rule.
NO one that I can think of equates Washing D.C. as being "of the people, by the people & for the people" any longer.
Let me add that;
Our Founding Fathers would possibly be for a new armed revolution & agree with that or not, I would understand.
There was a reason that the Constitution that they penned & signed, LIMITED the powers of the Federal Gov & they were very specific as to the responsibilities of the Federal Government while EXCLUDING everything else.
It keeps power closer to the people!
If our founding fathers could come back today, they would be outraged at what's taking place.

By design, states were to operate like miniature countries and only congregate for national matters. Healthcare coverage is not a national matter. Neither are retirement benefits, food, shelter, seat belt laws, midnight basketball courts, cell phones, government air conditioners or environmental policies.

These are all state issues and should only be addressed by the state. Our founders would be outraged at how state dependency on federal government allows them to bypass states rights. The very idea that the federal government threatens states by withholding road funding if you don't comply with their wishes gives the federal government unlimited power.

The biggest threats to our freedoms in this country are bureaucracies and liberal appointed judges. It is these entities that create or manipulate laws against our wishes. You can't elect them, vote them out or impeach them.

I think if the founders could come back and rewrite the Constitution, it would look nothing like it does today. They would look upon the land and see sloths nursing at the breast of the federal government at the expense of the responsible, and make sure the new Constitution would prohibit such abilities. Hell, half of the people in this country are living partially or entirely off of the federal government. This is not what our founders had in mind and in fact, had the opposite goal.

John Kennedy thought the success of this country depended not on what the country can do for the citizens, but what the citizens can do for their country. Barack Obama and his ilk believe the success of our country depends on what the country can do for the citizen, and not what the citizens can do for the country.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger, on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison. Annals of Congress, 1794

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