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#17380 Jan 21, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
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It is amazing that a man who was once the model of a conservative Republican (Nixon) would now be seen as being to the left of a liberal Democrat! How times have changed...
Old guy: you are going to be ok. it is all be ok. Trust god.

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#17381 Jan 21, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Again, an example of OUR reps under performing.The biggest problem is that BOTH parties tapped the SS fund by 'borrowing' from it.
Social Security would still be totally viable IF the I.O.U.'s didn't exist for money "borrowed" from it. S.S. is NOT an entitlement program since specific payroll taxes were deducted for it & then were stolen to balance the federal budget at times. Which the senate has not even brought to a up or down vote since April 2009 which the president & OUR so called representatives are OBLIGATED to do EVERY year. I would love an explaination on that one. It seems like impeachment qualifications due to malfeasance to me for Harry Reid & others since he has tabled EVERY bill that came out of Congress including a democratic congress in 2009 & 2010 & then 2011 & 2012.
There is some clearly illegal activity or lack of activity there. Why has the media & or the public NOT been on the top of this issue? Again, politicians wonder why they have low public respect. Perfectly an example of political B.S.
if you look back at the census records when Social Security was first implemented it wasnt designed to pay because people back then their life expectancy was never passed 65 for the majority but Both parties have used Social Security as a slush fund as did FDR and yes Social Security is an entitlement because its designed to pay out more than what people paid in and its adminstered by the Federal Government besides its not individuals money since there is no property rights to Social Security tax money its the Federal Government Money to do what they want with it since its based & formulated as a tax as stated in the SCOTUS case of Flemming vs Nestor(1960). below is an example why Social Security is in trouble and shows how its based on a ponzi scheme.

Ida May Fuller had collected $22,888.92 from Social Security monthly benefits, compared to her contributions of $24.75 to the system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_May_Fuller

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#17382 Jan 21, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
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It is amazing that a man who was once the model of a conservative Republican (Nixon) would now be seen as being to the left of a liberal Democrat! How times have changed...
Exactly and why Eisenhower was considered a progressive which they blame that on Nixion's influence on Eisenhower.
titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17383 Jan 22, 2013
Stupid in Mansfield wrote:
Hey Pants! Corporations are "people" too! mit said so!
LOL! You should do a comedy show and take that on the road. Good shyte man.
titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17384 Jan 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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I think the EPA has saddled our refineries with so many regulations that it has to effect the price we pay at the pumps. Add to that the devaluing of our US dollar, the price of gas will never go below $3.00 per gallon again until we get some real leadership in this country.
I figured you would agree that the tax code is the problem. Look at the cliff deal, obama promised to make the "rich" pay their fair share and close corporate tax loopholes. What happened? He eagerly signed a deal that did not raise corporate taxes at all, or close any loopholes. In fact it opened new corporate tax loopholes.
titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17385 Jan 22, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>thank Nixon for that.
I never knew. nixon used an executive order for that?
titonton divaunte pants

United States

#17386 Jan 22, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
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Exactly.. same reason corn will never drop below 5 bucks ever again now. More so to the devaluation of the dollar.
all the unproductive govt spending helps cause the inflation too. That's why I can't take obama supporters who didn't vote for bush twice as being honest with themselves. How is obamas spending better than bushes? What? Bush didn't raise taxes? Oh. Did obama raise them enough?

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#17387 Jan 22, 2013
titonton divaunte pants wrote:
<quoted text> I never knew. nixon used an executive order for that?
Yeap, Nixon sure did use Executive Order to create the EPA.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_En...

Since: Aug 11

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#17388 Jan 22, 2013
titonton divaunte pants wrote:
<quoted text> all the unproductive govt spending helps cause the inflation too. That's why I can't take obama supporters who didn't vote for bush twice as being honest with themselves. How is obamas spending better than bushes? What? Bush didn't raise taxes? Oh. Did obama raise them enough?
as long as the economy stays where its at and nobody has money to buy you wont see inflation because there is no demand and what the government wants which already was proven during the Truman adminstration.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17389 Jan 22, 2013
titonton divaunte pants wrote:
<quoted text> I figured you would agree that the tax code is the problem. Look at the cliff deal, obama promised to make the "rich" pay their fair share and close corporate tax loopholes. What happened? He eagerly signed a deal that did not raise corporate taxes at all, or close any loopholes. In fact it opened new corporate tax loopholes.
The problem with that is we have the highest base rate for corporate taxes in the world. Loopholes were created so that politicians could pick the winners and the losers. I can't tell you how many times I've heard politicians or potential politicians say they were going to close loopholes or simplify the tax system.

But for the sake of discussion, let's say that everybody got together and closed the loopholes and made corporate tax a flat rate. That means most all taxes would increase on corporations. How do you think those corporations would respond? They would just pay more money?

Every action causes a reaction. We've seen it with DumBama's polices his first term and we will see even more during his second. In fact, business leaders are already planning for Commie Care. Many said they will reduce their full time work force because the law doesn't apply to part-time workers, and other say they will outsource work. After all, if you make widgets for a living and sell those widgets for ten bucks a piece, Obama Care would force you to sell those same widgets for $14.00 a piece. If you outsource much of that work, it will still dig into your profit, so you would be able to sell those widgets for $12.00 a piece because outsourcing would be cheaper than getting involved with Commie Care.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17390 Jan 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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It's easier to demonize Wal-Mart than it is the consumer. Don't insult the American consumer.
Several years ago when shots were taken at Wal-Mart by the Democrats, a writer went out to take pictures of cars in their parking lot that had the proud UAW or some other union bumper sticker.
We could have many Americans working tomorrow if we were willing to buy their products. But that's not a reality. The reality is that Americans are consumed with cheap low-grade products regardless where they come from. We don't care if our purchases puts Americans out of work, we don't care if our products were made by non-union labor, we don't even care if they were manufactured by slave labor with terrible environmental conditions. All we care about is what it costs.
Is that what I was doing, demonizing Wal-Mart? Not at all intended. After all, I mentioned that they were keeping up with their competition although without names...Target, Meier, & K-mart to name a few. Heck, IF GM had astute management like P&G, Kroger & these other companies, it is likely that one could still buy a Firebird, Hummer, Saab & or others & the tax payer NOT be on the hook for bailing them out.
Personally my brother & I shop to avoid Mainland China, India, Pakistan & others.
I earn exactly 1/2 of what I earned in 2000 without factoring in inflation so of course I am buying as cheap as I can but without buying from countries with known nasty labor practices. We'll pay more when our standards require it but no more than we have to or we do without when possible.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17391 Jan 22, 2013
titonton divaunte pants wrote:
<quoted text>why? What are we supposed to do, spend money we don't have? Is it our fault gas costs so much too? I blame our stupid set of corporate laws that give huge corporations an unfair advantage and leave any real us competition that would maybe compete, drowning in red tape.
I'm a bit confused here. I have stated that we need to buy low to stretch our incomes or do without.
Unlike our 'representatives' we can't spend $$ that we do NOT have.
Glad to clarify.

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#17392 Jan 22, 2013
wow
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17394 Jan 22, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Is that what I was doing, demonizing Wal-Mart? Not at all intended. After all, I mentioned that they were keeping up with their competition although without names...Target, Meier, & K-mart to name a few. Heck, IF GM had astute management like P&G, Kroger & these other companies, it is likely that one could still buy a Firebird, Hummer, Saab & or others & the tax payer NOT be on the hook for bailing them out.
Personally my brother & I shop to avoid Mainland China, India, Pakistan & others.
I earn exactly 1/2 of what I earned in 2000 without factoring in inflation so of course I am buying as cheap as I can but without buying from countries with known nasty labor practices. We'll pay more when our standards require it but no more than we have to or we do without when possible.
Nah, I wasn't implying you. It's just that we were on the subject so I brought it up.

One of our customers is a manufacture that sells to Wal-Mart. I understand Wal-Mart is on their azz all the time to get products cheaper. So our customer finds the lowest bidder to do their work. Because they are a large company and nobody wants to lose their business, American companies outbid each other all the time. For a few months, we are delivering to company A to have work done. Then six months later, they switch to another company who brought down their price in effort to get the work back.

It's still Americans working, but the companies who bid on the job have to bid so low that I doubt their employees are getting their yearly raises and good benefits.

I deal with Wal-Mart because I have to. I have no prescription coverage for my diabetic supplies. I use three vials of insulin per month, each vial costing $55.00 or more. Wal-Mart? I can get all three vials for $75.00. It's the exact same insulin, in the exact same vials, made by the exact same company. How do they do it?

It seems to me that Wal-Mart made a dirty deal with the company that produces the insulin. What they did was sell Wal-Mart insulin for less than half the price of what they charge every other pharmacy. To make up for the loss, they charge every other drug store twice what they charge Wal-Mart. Without Wal-Mart, it would probably be like $30.00 or so per vial no matter what drug store you use. But because of this Wal-Mart deal, they overcharge everybody else and undercharge Wal-Mart. People who have prescription coverage don't even inquire about the price. It's paid for so they really don't care. But in reality, they are being ripped off.

I don't like the deal either, but what am I supposed to do? Pay $165.00 every month to get the same insulin I could get at Wal-Mart for $75.00?

“ I AGITATE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#17395 Jan 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Nah, I wasn't implying you. It's just that we were on the subject so I brought it up.
One of our customers is a manufacture that sells to Wal-Mart. I understand Wal-Mart is on their azz all the time to get products cheaper. So our customer finds the lowest bidder to do their work. Because they are a large company and nobody wants to lose their business, American companies outbid each other all the time. For a few months, we are delivering to company A to have work done. Then six months later, they switch to another company who brought down their price in effort to get the work back.
It's still Americans working, but the companies who bid on the job have to bid so low that I doubt their employees are getting their yearly raises and good benefits.
I deal with Wal-Mart because I have to. I have no prescription coverage for my diabetic supplies. I use three vials of insulin per month, each vial costing $55.00 or more. Wal-Mart? I can get all three vials for $75.00. It's the exact same insulin, in the exact same vials, made by the exact same company. How do they do it?
It seems to me that Wal-Mart made a dirty deal with the company that produces the insulin. What they did was sell Wal-Mart insulin for less than half the price of what they charge every other pharmacy. To make up for the loss, they charge every other drug store twice what they charge Wal-Mart. Without Wal-Mart, it would probably be like $30.00 or so per vial no matter what drug store you use. But because of this Wal-Mart deal, they overcharge everybody else and undercharge Wal-Mart. People who have prescription coverage don't even inquire about the price. It's paid for so they really don't care. But in reality, they are being ripped off.
I don't like the deal either, but what am I supposed to do? Pay $165.00 every month to get the same insulin I could get at Wal-Mart for $75.00?
I'd say our capitalistic economic system serves you well. It just saved you $90.00 per month.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17396 Jan 22, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
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I'd say our capitalistic economic system serves you well. It just saved you $90.00 per month.
Yes I did, and trust me, it helps. That's over $1,000 per year. But I can't help but to feel just a little guilt by fueling the fire.

Prior to me learning about this Wal-Mart deal, I contacted the manufactures about the steep price increases of their product. After all, when it comes to insulin, there are few competitors. Nobody would give me a straight answer. I guess you can't blame them. The internet was no help either. Couldn't find one story on the subject. Some blogs where people were complaining, but that's about it.

What led me to Wal-Mart was a pharmacist who told me Wal-Mart had a "generic" insulin that was much cheaper. I didn't want to mess with generic anything when it comes to that, so I didn't look into it for several months. Now I'm sorry I didn't act sooner.

When I finally broke down, I went to Wal-Mart and questioned the generic insulin. I purchased it and when I brought it home, found out it was not Wal-Mart who made the insulin at all. It was the exact same drug maker. They just put a little on the vial calling in Reliance which is Wal-Mart's generic name for medications.

People who have RX coverage are overpaying for their insulin. That increases the cost to the employer to provide such coverage. You would think something like this would be on the news or something. People (especially Wal-Mart shoppers) should be aware of these under the table dirty dealings.

Since: Aug 11

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#17397 Jan 22, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
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I'd say our capitalistic economic system serves you well. It just saved you $90.00 per month.
you mean our Socialistic economic system because if our system was Capitalistic there wouldnt be these entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare which Capitalism rejects.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17398 Jan 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Yes I did, and trust me, it helps. That's over $1,000 per year. But I can't help but to feel just a little guilt by fueling the fire.
Prior to me learning about this Wal-Mart deal, I contacted the manufactures about the steep price increases of their product. After all, when it comes to insulin, there are few competitors. Nobody would give me a straight answer. I guess you can't blame them. The internet was no help either. Couldn't find one story on the subject. Some blogs where people were complaining, but that's about it.
What led me to Wal-Mart was a pharmacist who told me Wal-Mart had a "generic" insulin that was much cheaper. I didn't want to mess with generic anything when it comes to that, so I didn't look into it for several months. Now I'm sorry I didn't act sooner.
When I finally broke down, I went to Wal-Mart and questioned the generic insulin. I purchased it and when I brought it home, found out it was not Wal-Mart who made the insulin at all. It was the exact same drug maker. They just put a little on the vial calling in Reliance which is Wal-Mart's generic name for medications.
People who have RX coverage are overpaying for their insulin. That increases the cost to the employer to provide such coverage. You would think something like this would be on the news or something. People (especially Wal-Mart shoppers) should be aware of these under the table dirty dealings.
When I had med insurance it automatically defaulted to 'generics' when available & my policy was not alone in such a practice.

Since: Aug 11

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#17399 Jan 22, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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Yes I did, and trust me, it helps. That's over $1,000 per year. But I can't help but to feel just a little guilt by fueling the fire.
Prior to me learning about this Wal-Mart deal, I contacted the manufactures about the steep price increases of their product. After all, when it comes to insulin, there are few competitors. Nobody would give me a straight answer. I guess you can't blame them. The internet was no help either. Couldn't find one story on the subject. Some blogs where people were complaining, but that's about it.
What led me to Wal-Mart was a pharmacist who told me Wal-Mart had a "generic" insulin that was much cheaper. I didn't want to mess with generic anything when it comes to that, so I didn't look into it for several months. Now I'm sorry I didn't act sooner.
When I finally broke down, I went to Wal-Mart and questioned the generic insulin. I purchased it and when I brought it home, found out it was not Wal-Mart who made the insulin at all. It was the exact same drug maker. They just put a little on the vial calling in Reliance which is Wal-Mart's generic name for medications.
People who have RX coverage are overpaying for their insulin. That increases the cost to the employer to provide such coverage. You would think something like this would be on the news or something. People (especially Wal-Mart shoppers) should be aware of these under the table dirty dealings.
what do you think John D. Rockefeller would think of Cleveland today with the direction that US Socialism has taken Cleveland and the rest of the country since J.D. Rockefeller time besides it was the Republicans that implemented the Sherman Anti Trust act that was ultimately used against Rockefeller & the other Capitalist in this Country and still is and last one was Bill Gates.

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#17400 Jan 22, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>When I had med insurance it automatically defaulted to 'generics' when available & my policy was not alone in such a practice.
alot of them are still that way.

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