Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17359 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>yeap and we can thank the Liberal G.W. Bush too just like Bruce Bartlett said In the Imposter, How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy and if go to Chapter 9 and he Starts out and say "George W. Bush's best known domesitc policy may be his relentless effort to cut taxes. Yet Ironically, he may ultimatelly be responsible for enactment of the largest tax increase in American history. It may not come on his watch, but it is inevitable and will be the direct results of Bush's Polices"
if you goto Chapter 5, which is titled "The Worst Record on Trade since Hoover" made things worse.
And look to see which party controlled the purse strings.
IF things were as simple as you have stated, why did Nobama & the Democratic House & White House start to reverse those things in 2009 & 2010? OH, That's right, because it was Bush's fault!
Let me add that increased taxes may not be needed. Cutting run away spending is definitely needed. Improving employment, NOT giving tax money to illegals except for emergency care, stopping borrowing, re-evaluating 'donations' to other countries, cutting waste farther,& then reducing welfare rolls.
We can't keep taxing when fewer people have incomes to tax. We'll still run out of money. duh!

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#17360 Jan 21, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>And look to see which party controlled the purse strings.
IF things were as simple as you have stated, why did Nobama & the Democratic House & White House start to reverse those things in 2009 & 2010? OH, That's right, because it was Bush's fault!
Let me add that increased taxes may not be needed. Cutting run away spending is definitely needed. Improving employment, NOT giving tax money to illegals except for emergency care, stopping borrowing, re-evaluating 'donations' to other countries, cutting waste farther,& then reducing welfare rolls.
We can't keep taxing when fewer people have incomes to tax. We'll still run out of money. duh!
In the book its cut & dry and the numbers dont lie but Chapter 3 "Why the Bush Tax cuts didnt deliver" compounded the economical problem which everything was being added to the Federal Deficit and not being paid for then on top of that Chapter 4 titled "The Worst Legistlation in History" which was medicare party was passed by the Republican Majority and another entitlement program added to the Federal Deficit.

Bruce Bartlett on Where the Right Went Wrong

http://vimeo.com/36529531

Since: Aug 11

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#17361 Jan 21, 2013
Medicare Part D was passed by the Republican Majority, I meant.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17362 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>thank Nixon for that.
Nixon created the EPA, he hasn't been in charge for 4 decades. Why do you keep digging up & blaming people that are no longer in any office & in some cases they are dead?
OH, That's right, because it can't be Nobama fault that the debt is 6 trillion higher in LESS than 4 yrs after he belittled it being 4 trillion in Bush's 8 years, that the deficit is MORE than a TRILLION EVERY year, that the U.S. credit rating has been lowered for the 1st time ever & threatened to be lowered again. It's ALL Bush's fault, now let's throw in Nixon. You are such a putz.

Since: Aug 11

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#17363 Jan 21, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Nixon created the EPA, he hasn't been in charge for 4 decades. Why do you keep digging up & blaming people that are no longer in any office & in some cases they are dead?
OH, That's right, because it can't be Nobama fault that the debt is 6 trillion higher in LESS than 4 yrs after he belittled it being 4 trillion in Bush's 8 years, that the deficit is MORE than a TRILLION EVERY year, that the U.S. credit rating has been lowered for the 1st time ever & threatened to be lowered again. It's ALL Bush's fault, now let's throw in Nixon. You are such a putz.
the Conservatives call & consider both Nixon and Bush Liberals which I have to agree because both were promoting big Government agenda and another complaint by the Conservatives was that during Bush's 8 years as president he didnt veto a single Bill. which is true and Medicare Part D should have been vetoed but the Liberals on the Right call it Compassionate Conservatism.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17365 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>the Conservatives call & consider both Nixon and Bush Liberals which I have to agree because both were promoting big Government agenda and another complaint by the Conservatives was that during Bush's 8 years as president he didnt veto a single Bill. which is true and Medicare Part D should have been vetoed but the Liberals on the Right call it Compassionate Conservatism.
I hear what you are saying & it is logical BUT even tho Nixon was a paranoid SOB, what IF, these were cases examples of compromise & cooperation instead of a 'My way or the highway' insistence & hard headedness? OR knowing what vetoes may have been over ridden and then even backroom 'trades' beyond the media? Such dealing goes on undeniably & secrecy usually serves all parties involved. And politicians & lawyers (many politicians are lawyers) wonder why they are held in such low public esteem!
They are wordsmiths that talk without saying much, they ride fences so to speak to often get 51% of the vote, that's all that they need to keep their powerful but cushie jobs, term after term.
They 'work', dine, travel, socialize, get medical care, & even 'vacation' on the taxpayers dime. Sort of like the taxpayer being a John(s) & politicians being hookers, we all get screwed!
Term limits may be a solution. But that's another topic.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17366 Jan 21, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly.. same reason corn will never drop below 5 bucks ever again now. More so to the devaluation of the dollar.
With food items, it's a bit more than that. Our grocery bills have been higher since we decided that environmental justice is to burn up our food supply to make our vehicles run although it's only 10% of our fuel right now. Reports now show that prices are going to go even higher.

Supply and demand. Yet one more hidden environmental cost we must pay, and don't even understand why.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17367 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>yeap and we can thank the Liberal G.W. Bush too just like Bruce Bartlett said In the Imposter, How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy and if go to Chapter 9 and he Starts out and say "George W. Bush's best known domesitc policy may be his relentless effort to cut taxes. Yet Ironically, he may ultimatelly be responsible for enactment of the largest tax increase in American history. It may not come on his watch, but it is inevitable and will be the direct results of Bush's Polices"
In short, it's still Bush's fault.

I remember the warnings Republicans gave before the housing crisis. They were demonized by being called racist and uncaring about the poor. Then there was Bush's SS reform. Shot down like a kite flying in the sky. When Gingrich and the Republicans introduced Welfare Reform, it was said Republicans wanted to get even with the poor. Same thing when Gingrich introduced block grants for welfare and school lunches. The Democrats said Republicans wanted kids to starve.

Moving forward, we introduced Medicare reform. That led to commercials about granny getting pushed over the cliff in a wheelchair. Boehner fought hard to cut spending, and now the Republicans lost power not to mention seats in the Senate.

How can the Republicans do the right and proper thing if people and the liberal media won't support them? It's not possible. Don't blame Republican politicians for not doing the right thing, blame ignorant voters and the media instead.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17368 Jan 21, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I guess that my post could have been more concise. I was meaning to say that the consumer has to buy low cost foreign made goods.
I remember when Wal-Mart had signs throughout their stores different depts declaring US Made! They fazed that out to keep prices down to compete with their competition that was doing the same thing. After awhile, it became what it is now, a search to find competitive priced US goods, even when one tries.
Try finding a U.S. of A. flag made on shore. They exist but you have to shop.
It's easier to demonize Wal-Mart than it is the consumer. Don't insult the American consumer.

Several years ago when shots were taken at Wal-Mart by the Democrats, a writer went out to take pictures of cars in their parking lot that had the proud UAW or some other union bumper sticker.

We could have many Americans working tomorrow if we were willing to buy their products. But that's not a reality. The reality is that Americans are consumed with cheap low-grade products regardless where they come from. We don't care if our purchases puts Americans out of work, we don't care if our products were made by non-union labor, we don't even care if they were manufactured by slave labor with terrible environmental conditions. All we care about is what it costs.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#17369 Jan 21, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I hear what you are saying & it is logical BUT even tho Nixon was a paranoid SOB, what IF, these were cases examples of compromise & cooperation instead of a 'My way or the highway' insistence & hard headedness? OR knowing what vetoes may have been over ridden and then even backroom 'trades' beyond the media? Such dealing goes on undeniably & secrecy usually serves all parties involved. And politicians & lawyers (many politicians are lawyers) wonder why they are held in such low public esteem!
They are wordsmiths that talk without saying much, they ride fences so to speak to often get 51% of the vote, that's all that they need to keep their powerful but cushie jobs, term after term.
They 'work', dine, travel, socialize, get medical care, & even 'vacation' on the taxpayers dime. Sort of like the taxpayer being a John(s) & politicians being hookers, we all get screwed!
Term limits may be a solution. But that's another topic.
I agree with what your saying.
John Smith

Somerset, NJ

#17370 Jan 21, 2013
Stupid in Mansfields wrote:
Hey Pants! How about some hot monkey spunk in me buttocks?
uh....

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#17371 Jan 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
In short, it's still Bush's fault.
I remember the warnings Republicans gave before the housing crisis. They were demonized by being called racist and uncaring about the poor. Then there was Bush's SS reform. Shot down like a kite flying in the sky. When Gingrich and the Republicans introduced Welfare Reform, it was said Republicans wanted to get even with the poor. Same thing when Gingrich introduced block grants for welfare and school lunches. The Democrats said Republicans wanted kids to starve.
Moving forward, we introduced Medicare reform. That led to commercials about granny getting pushed over the cliff in a wheelchair. Boehner fought hard to cut spending, and now the Republicans lost power not to mention seats in the Senate.
How can the Republicans do the right and proper thing if people and the liberal media won't support them? It's not possible. Don't blame Republican politicians for not doing the right thing, blame ignorant voters and the media instead.
like I tell those on the US politics forum when they blame Bush & the Republicans I tell them I blame the Democrats too for not offering better choices other than just Gore & Kerry and gave no better choice but Bush. Speaking of the housing crisis in April 2001 that is when the Bush Administration first red flagged Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about trouble with the GSE but then was advocating for affordable housing in May 2002.

Home Ownership and President Bush



and then in October 2002 G.W. Bush gave another speech saying "we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want."

George Bush: we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

and all G.W. Bush did was continue on with the Clinton home ownership policy.

and then speaking of Social Security Reform in chapter 11 of the book the main reason why Social Security reformed died was because of the option of allowing individuals to Privatize their Social Security Taxes and the foreseen biggest problem by the Federal Government was the lost tax revenue that the Federal Government would lose since the tax money would be no longer collected by the US Treasury which was the main reason that Social Security privatization died and besides the Federal Government was trying collect as much tax revenue as Federal Government could get its hands on because the Federal Deficit that was growing under Bush.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#17372 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>like I tell those on the US politics forum when they blame Bush & the Republicans I tell them I blame the Democrats too for not offering better choices other than just Gore & Kerry and gave no better choice but Bush. Speaking of the housing crisis in April 2001 that is when the Bush Administration first red flagged Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about trouble with the GSE but then was advocating for affordable housing in May 2002.
Home Ownership and President Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QYvtvcBKgIQXX
and then in October 2002 G.W. Bush gave another speech saying "we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want."
George Bush: we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
and all G.W. Bush did was continue on with the Clinton home ownership policy.
and then speaking of Social Security Reform in chapter 11 of the book the main reason why Social Security reformed died was because of the option of allowing individuals to Privatize their Social Security Taxes and the foreseen biggest problem by the Federal Government was the lost tax revenue that the Federal Government would lose since the tax money would be no longer collected by the US Treasury which was the main reason that Social Security privatization died and besides the Federal Government was trying collect as much tax revenue as Federal Government could get its hands on because the Federal Deficit that was growing under Bush.
Absolutely incorrect. The reason it died was because of scare tactics by the Democrats. Think about it: Bush said his plan would allow only 1 to 3% of your SS contributions to go into a private fund. That would drain SS so that nobody could get it???? Plus it was optional.

The larger point is that politicians (both left and right) do whatever it takes to please the people even if it leads to our demise. A more educated public would prevent that. But the problem is that more Americans know more about their favorite American Idol than they do their Congressman, Senator or President. So politicians do whatever it takes to keep themselves or party in power.

It's like the Wal-Mart debate. Wal-Mart only gives people what they want. That's why they are number one in the country. Same holds true with politicians. They give people what they want. Screw the ramifications of their decisions.

GW and the Republicans found themselves in a disadvantage of public opinion. If you can't beat them--join them.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#17373 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>like I tell those on the US politics forum when they blame Bush & the Republicans I tell them I blame the Democrats too for not offering better choices other than just Gore & Kerry and gave no better choice but Bush. Speaking of the housing crisis in April 2001 that is when the Bush Administration first red flagged Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac about trouble with the GSE but then was advocating for affordable housing in May 2002.
Home Ownership and President Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QYvtvcBKgIQXX
and then in October 2002 G.W. Bush gave another speech saying "we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want."
George Bush: we want everybody in America to own their own home. That's what we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
and all G.W. Bush did was continue on with the Clinton home ownership policy.
and then speaking of Social Security Reform in chapter 11 of the book the main reason why Social Security reformed died was because of the option of allowing individuals to Privatize their Social Security Taxes and the foreseen biggest problem by the Federal Government was the lost tax revenue that the Federal Government would lose since the tax money would be no longer collected by the US Treasury which was the main reason that Social Security privatization died and besides the Federal Government was trying collect as much tax revenue as Federal Government could get its hands on because the Federal Deficit that was growing under Bush.
Show us the youtubes where GW warned of the collapse due to the Clinton policies of loaning money with food stamps for collateral...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#17374 Jan 21, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely incorrect. The reason it died was because of scare tactics by the Democrats. Think about it: Bush said his plan would allow only 1 to 3% of your SS contributions to go into a private fund. That would drain SS so that nobody could get it???? Plus it was optional.
The larger point is that politicians (both left and right) do whatever it takes to please the people even if it leads to our demise. A more educated public would prevent that. But the problem is that more Americans know more about their favorite American Idol than they do their Congressman, Senator or President. So politicians do whatever it takes to keep themselves or party in power.
It's like the Wal-Mart debate. Wal-Mart only gives people what they want. That's why they are number one in the country. Same holds true with politicians. They give people what they want. Screw the ramifications of their decisions.
GW and the Republicans found themselves in a disadvantage of public opinion. If you can't beat them--join them.
no thats the real reason Bruce Bartlett explains because its lost revenue for the current entitlement society and if you allow the ones currently paying Social Security taxes and let them take their money and privatize their Social Security tax money the Recipents currently on the entitlement system are done because Social Security is based on a Ponzi Scheme which I think it needs to end because of SCOTUS case of Flemming vs Nestor stating that there is no Property right regardless of an individuals contribution since it is based on a tax as stated the SCOTUS case of Helvering v. Davis(1937) the Social Security tax is treated as any other tax there for is not earmarked.

Since: Aug 11

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#17375 Jan 21, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Show us the youtubes where GW warned of the collapse due to the Clinton policies of loaning money with food stamps for collateral...
Setting the Record Straight: Six Years of Unheeded Warnings for GSE Reform Starting in April 2001.

ĽApril: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity." (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/ne...
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#17376 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>
and then speaking of Social Security Reform in chapter 11 of the book the main reason why Social Security reformed died was because of the option of allowing individuals to Privatize their Social Security Taxes and the foreseen biggest problem by the Federal Government was the lost tax revenue that the Federal Government would lose since the tax money would be no longer collected by the US Treasury which was the main reason that Social Security privatization died and besides the Federal Government was trying collect as much tax revenue as Federal Government could get its hands on because the Federal Deficit that was growing under Bush.
Again, an example of OUR reps under performing.The biggest problem is that BOTH parties tapped the SS fund by 'borrowing' from it.
Social Security would still be totally viable IF the I.O.U.'s didn't exist for money "borrowed" from it. S.S. is NOT an entitlement program since specific payroll taxes were deducted for it & then were stolen to balance the federal budget at times. Which the senate has not even brought to a up or down vote since April 2009 which the president & OUR so called representatives are OBLIGATED to do EVERY year. I would love an explaination on that one. It seems like impeachment qualifications due to malfeasance to me for Harry Reid & others since he has tabled EVERY bill that came out of Congress including a democratic congress in 2009 & 2010 & then 2011 & 2012.
There is some clearly illegal activity or lack of activity there. Why has the media & or the public NOT been on the top of this issue? Again, politicians wonder why they have low public respect. Perfectly an example of political B.S.
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#17377 Jan 21, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>thank Nixon for that.
It is amazing that a man who was once the model of a conservative Republican (Nixon) would now be seen as being to the left of a liberal Democrat! How times have changed...
Wondering

United States

#17378 Jan 21, 2013
What are you talking about? Just let it go and enjoy life. Enjoy yourself. Life is way to short to worry about this stuff. God is in control and it is all going to be ok.
Wondering

United States

#17379 Jan 21, 2013
John Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
uh....
John Smith I agree with you what was up with that?

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