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First off, you don't know that. Go to YouTube videos and watch gun enthusiasts drop and replace a clip; less than a second of time. And all this nonsense for what? It won't stop the next shooting like this. What may stop the next shooting is to have teachers and staff armed in the school. It might not stop a shooter before he kills anybody, but it will save more lives than a ban on assault rifles and smaller clips.
Less than a second? doubtful, and especially unfettered. What is it that I don't know? The bushmaster?

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First off, you don't know that. Go to YouTube videos and watch gun enthusiasts drop and replace a clip; less than a second of time. And all this nonsense for what? It won't stop the next shooting like this. What may stop the next shooting is to have teachers and staff armed in the school. It might not stop a shooter before he kills anybody, but it will save more lives than a ban on assault rifles and smaller clips.
Do you know how nutty and impossible that sounds, XX? We can not train teachers, nurses, principals and other staff to use weapons accurately and safely in a school full of kids. No staff members are in the same spot all day every day inside the school. Maybe they won't agree to being trained to kill people.
Training would need to be much more extensive than what most CCW holders have. Would need to be along the lines of Police/Secret Service training. It still would not prevent ALL of what happened in CT, Aurora,CO, VA Tech, Stockton,CA, Portland,OR, Chardon,OH, Columbine,CO, and neither will banning HC Magazines, but it is a start, and it is something as opposed to Nothing.

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Dec 17, 2012
 
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Less than a second? doubtful, and especially unfettered. What is it that I don't know? The bushmaster?
What you don't know is that switching a magazine is nothing more than pushing a butting and inserting a new clip. If you are counting the rounds you shoot off, you don't even have to put a new round in the chamber. You just keep on firing.

If somebody is on a killing spree, they are not worried about catching the used clip. It simply drops to the ground. If you have a 10 round clip, once you get to your sixth shot, you continue firing with one hand while the other grabs the new clip. Push the button, snap in the new clip and keep on firing. You won't even hear a pause if you are listening to somebody switching clips that way.

If you visit your local gun shop and ask the salesman to demonstrate the speed at which you can insert a new clip, he or she will be happy to show you. Police practice this way during training. A 9mm semi-automatic handgun is one of the most popular guns the police use.

The point is, limiting the size of a magazine only makes the shooter do a little more work. It does not stop or slow down the damage he can do.

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Disarming CCW holders from an officer's prospective. www.defensivecarry.com/forum/concealed-carry-... ...

Just because someone has a CCW does not mean they are a law abiding citizen.... Last year, a local officer was shot and killed by a CCW holder on a traffic stop..... I have several different types and have been shooting since I was a ... stopped or ten minutes prior when you changed songs on your ipod.

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Depends if the mall allows it or not. Maybe the state doesn't allow them either, I guess it depends on where you go. What I do know however is the Oregon shooting was stopped by a CCW holder. He killed two people, but when he had trouble with his gun, a CCW holder had him in sight. When the shooter realized that there was somebody pointing a gun at him, he finally took his own life.
Says he. He didn't shoot him and it is doubtful that someone pointing a gun at him scared him so much he shot himself.
Why didn't he shoot him? Had trouble with his gun, but was able to shoot himself?

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Depends if the mall allows it or not. Maybe the state doesn't allow them either, I guess it depends on where you go. What I do know however is the Oregon shooting was stopped by a CCW holder. He killed two people, but when he had trouble with his gun, a CCW holder had him in sight. When the shooter realized that there was somebody pointing a gun at him, he finally took his own life.
You don't KNOW that. That is what 22 yr old kid says. Why didn't he shoot?
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Do you know how nutty and impossible that sounds, XX? We can not train teachers, nurses, principals and other staff to use weapons accurately and safely in a school full of kids. No staff members are in the same spot all day every day inside the school. Maybe they won't agree to being trained to kill people.
Training would need to be much more extensive than what most CCW holders have. Would need to be along the lines of Police/Secret Service training. It still would not prevent ALL of what happened in CT, Aurora,CO, VA Tech, Stockton,CA, Portland,OR, Chardon,OH, Columbine,CO, and neither will banning HC Magazines, but it is a start, and it is something as opposed to Nothing.
What's the difference between a CCW holders training for use of a weapon in public and that in a school? Nothing. You take precautions be it a child or an adult. There is a time when you can safely use your firearm and when you can't.

As I mentioned, the Oregon Mall shooter was stopped by a CCW holder. While he had clear site of his target, he didn't shoot. Why? Because his training taught him that you don't fire a weapon if you suspect an innocent person behind your target. He saw some kind of movement behind the shooter, but was unsure of what he seen.

This is a lesson called Downrange. Never shoot your gun unless you are positive nothing is beyond your target. If you're shooting 5 yo 8 feet away (which is the range most CCW holders have used their firearm) then it's likely you won't miss your target. If it's more than 10 feet away, a better chance one of your bullets will miss. 20 feet away, it's more than likely you are going to have a miss if not several.

Here is a police clip of highly trained officers in a shot-out. You may want to fast forward to nearly the end. Take note of the range these officers shot and how many rounds they fired off that didn't hit their suspects:

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What you don't know is that switching a magazine is nothing more than pushing a butting and inserting a new clip. If you are counting the rounds you shoot off, you don't even have to put a new round in the chamber. You just keep on firing.
If somebody is on a killing spree, they are not worried about catching the used clip. It simply drops to the ground. If you have a 10 round clip, once you get to your sixth shot, you continue firing with one hand while the other grabs the new clip. Push the button, snap in the new clip and keep on firing. You won't even hear a pause if you are listening to somebody switching clips that way.
If you visit your local gun shop and ask the salesman to demonstrate the speed at which you can insert a new clip, he or she will be happy to show you. Police practice this way during training. A 9mm semi-automatic handgun is one of the most popular guns the police use.
The point is, limiting the size of a magazine only makes the shooter do a little more work. It does not stop or slow down the damage he can do.
How quick can you switch out a cylinder in a revolver because you just made me decide that banning those ridiculous multiround clips is not going to be enough.
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Says he. He didn't shoot him and it is doubtful that someone pointing a gun at him scared him so much he shot himself.
Why didn't he shoot him? Had trouble with his gun, but was able to shoot himself?
Whatever the problem was, the shooter fixed it. People that do these mass shootings are on a suicide mission. They know they are going to die, but want to take out as many victims as they can. Somebody firing a shot at them may only wound them--perhaps leaving them incapable of the ultimate finish which is suicide. They have no desire to go to jail, trial, or hospital. When they're done, they just want it over with. So they fear being taken into custody.
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How quick can you switch out a cylinder in a revolver because you just made me decide that banning those ridiculous multiround clips is not going to be enough.
You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.

So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.

I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
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Whatever the problem was, the shooter fixed it. People that do these mass shootings are on a suicide mission. They know they are going to die, but want to take out as many victims as they can. Somebody firing a shot at them may only wound them--perhaps leaving them incapable of the ultimate finish which is suicide. They have no desire to go to jail, trial, or hospital. When they're done, they just want it over with. So they fear being taken into custody.
I think she was asking why the wannabe Dirty Harry CCW guy didn't shoot the shooter but rather let him get off one more round.
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You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.
So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.
I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
We better arm our teachers with M16s then.

But I wonder how Great Britain can manage to have a rather peaceful society without even arming most of their police officers.
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You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.
So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.
I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
How many times have you had to draw down?

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You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.
So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.
I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
Do you really think that if someone comes up to you, to rob you, is armed and ready that your gun will keep you alive? Is he/she giving you a head start/ points for a handicap? If someone wants to shoot you, they will, you may shoot them too, XX, but they will get you. You know that.
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We better arm our teachers with M16s then.
But I wonder how Great Britain can manage to have a rather peaceful society without even arming most of their police officers.
Years ago their officers didn't have firearms. Time changed that. Most (if not all) are armed.

GB is less of a multicultural society than ours. Our statistics show people of different races that are much more prone violence and crime than others.

It's difficult to make apples to apples comparisons of our culture than those in other countries. What might work there may not work here. What might work here may not work there.

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If it was known that anybody in that school had a firearm, it's likely he would have chose another target. Kooks may be kooks, but they're smart enough to know what Victim Zones are. They choose places where they know fully well nobody is armed.
Are people not armed in Alabama? Stats tell us they are.
Arizona too.
Texas Cafeteria shooting?

Alabama shooter kills one sheriff's deputy, wounds another ... article.wn.com/view/2012/11/24/Alabama_shoote... ...

Nov 24, 2012 ... Wife, Daughter Killed By Gunman. Ala. Sheriff's deputy Josh Myers spoke out about the murder of his wife and daughter durin... published: 11 ...
Alabama gunman kills 10, including wife and child of sheriff's ... www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/179... ...- Similarto Alabama gunman kills 10, including wife and child of sheriff's ...

Mar 11, 2009 ... Associated Press SAMSON, Ala. Authorities say an Alabama gunman who killed 10 people and himself in a rampage had once trained as a ...
2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting - Wikipedia,... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alab... ...- Similarto 2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting - Wikipedia,...

Anderson revealed that his wife had borrowed the gun used in the shooting, and that he had escorted her to ..... "Three killed in University of Alabama shooting".
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Reports out now say he lived with his mother. They also say the kook was an intelligent person. He was taking college courses at the age of 16. They also say he as no history of violence in his 20 years on earth. Of course, you know how these stories change with time. I'm just printing some things I heard on the radio today.
Right, he was over 18, lock his ass out & report suspicions to the law. I would have done that if I were in her shoes & I have 3 sons that would agree. Fortunately for society my family never came to that but my grown sons will tell you that I could & did do 'tuff love'.
My sons are now a fine auto mechanic, 9 yrs Navy with 5 yrs to go & a 3rd yr psychology student.
At young ages I entered all 3 & myself into state recognized weapons safety classes (firearms, bows & arrows, knives, throwing stars etc) & we all passed. Two of us have CCDW licenses, the navy son doesn't need one at this time & the other son doesn't really care to get one.
The main point is the 'tuff love' although a parent can do all of the right things & still end up with a loser. Such is life.
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How many times have you had to draw down?
Never, but most people who defended themselves with firearms didn't either. It's one of those things that are unlikely to happen to you, but do happen to others.

We had a debate going on during the considerations of CCW's here in Ohio. One argued with me about the practicality of using firearms in our state. To make my point of having CCW's, I explained to him that my mother lives alone. She never drove a car either. She likes her walks to the store or church, and I was concerned about her safety at her age.

He wrote back asking me that if CCW's passed, would my elderly mother carry a firearm? To that I responded "No she wouldn't, but the criminal doesn't know that."

Criminals don't like uncertainty. If they are planning on stealing a car, they would choose one without an alarm than one that has an alarm. They have better odds at success that way. Same holds true of armed citizens. Most of these murders take place in areas where guns are not permitted by law-biding citizens. Again, uncertainty scares criminals.

Even if it was announced that a city decided to have armed teachers or administrators in a school building, that alone would discourage potential kooks like this guy in Connecticut from going there whether teachers or facility were armed or not. Again, uncertainty.
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Years ago their officers didn't have firearms. Time changed that. Most (if not all) are armed.
GB is less of a multicultural society than ours. Our statistics show people of different races that are much more prone violence and crime than others.
It's difficult to make apples to apples comparisons of our culture than those in other countries. What might work there may not work here. What might work here may not work there.
I think that you are wrong about whether the police in Great Britain commonly carry guns.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19...

I know you are wrong to suggest the reason that the US has a disproportionate number of mass shooting is our diversity. I suggest you check the race of the last 4 (random number) mass shootings.

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