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<quoted text>Your question could apply to your own post that I responded too which was off of topic. Like Comparing coconuts to bananas.
I think bananas are cheaper.

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Dec 19, 2012
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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It's the truth. The only people I have seen shot in home invasions were those who had guns themselves. Most times, they were shot with their own guns.
You don't like scientific studies and prefer anecdotal evidence. That's what I gave you. It seems you simply don't like information that doesn't fit your preconceived notions.
Go to Google and type in GUN and INTRUDER and tell me if that's what you see. Countless...... I mean countless stories of armed people protecting their home and family. I haven't found one yet where the story ends up with the armed homeowner assaulted while he (she) is holding a firearm.
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Go to Google and type in GUN and INTRUDER and tell me if that's what you see. Countless...... I mean countless stories of armed people protecting their home and family. I haven't found one yet where the story ends up with the armed homeowner assaulted while he (she) is holding a firearm.
So what? That doesn't make my anecdotes untrue.

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Dec 19, 2012
 
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Maybe somebody on the net posts their findings and you can give me that address.
It's pure logic: somebody breaks into your home with a gun, bat or knife. Are you safer with a gun or without? If somebody is out to kill you or bring you harm, how is being defenseless an advantage?
Better question: several administrators at the Conn. grade school were armed. Do you think those kids stood a better chance with an armed teacher or worse? If worse, please explain.
Shooters Mother was heavily armed as we know. Did it help or hinder her survival? You could say it CAUSED her demise.

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Dec 19, 2012
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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So what? That doesn't make my anecdotes untrue.
So 100 stories of people protecting themselves with firearms not being harmed for using them doesn't make your anecdotes untrue? Then what makes them true?
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#16045
Dec 19, 2012
 
" Liberals are going to have to decide if they’ll stick with the president if the plan he floated this week to cut Social Security benefits by switching to the so-called chained CPI becomes a reality, and it’s not an easy choice. Progressive pressure groups and lawmakers are furious with Obama for proposing the cuts, as I noted yesterday,but House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said she’s confident that her caucus would ultimately support the plan if the president asks them too."
Mittens,paul ryan,aluminum foil hat,secondhandsmoke..........; -)
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Dec 19, 2012
 
xxxrayted wrote:
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Go to Google and type in GUN and INTRUDER and tell me if that's what you see. Countless...... I mean countless stories of armed people protecting their home and family. I haven't found one yet where the story ends up with the armed homeowner assaulted while he (she) is holding a firearm.
Just for a chuckle, I did what you suggested. Here is the fourth result. But I used Bing.

Rochester pastor who shot granddaughter thought she was intruder

http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.ht...

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Dec 19, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Most criminals ARE Wingnuts..
Aha! Thank you for verifying that. ;-0
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Dec 19, 2012
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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It's the truth. The only people I have seen shot in home invasions were those who had guns themselves. Most times, they were shot with their own guns.
You don't like scientific studies and prefer anecdotal evidence. That's what I gave you. It seems you simply don't like information that doesn't fit your preconceived notions.
sounds like you know from experiance. The nra gives all kinds of safety classes dave. Even ones that play out home invasions. BTW we all hope your wife is ok dave.
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So 100 stories of people protecting themselves with firearms not being harmed for using them doesn't make your anecdotes untrue? Then what makes them true?
What makes them true is that they happened. That was kind of a stupid question.

Look. This was on the first page of your search.

Woman, 86, pulled gun before intruder killed her, documents say

http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/2012121...
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Dec 19, 2012
 
xxxrayted wrote:
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So 100 stories of people protecting themselves with firearms not being harmed for using them doesn't make your anecdotes untrue? Then what makes them true?
Just so you will now tell us how you can't do scientific research through a Google search, do one on "shot with own gun."
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Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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Shooters Mother was heavily armed as we know. Did it help or hinder her survival? You could say it CAUSED her demise.
From what we know now, there are two things that caused her demise: first off is training your screwed up kid how to shoot a gun. Second is that she danced around having him institutionalized and informing him of her intent. It's believed now that's what set him off. She did some voluntary work at the school which is why her son chose it as a target.

I don't blame the gun or type of gun for this tragedy. I blame a irresponsible parent.
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Dec 19, 2012
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just for a chuckle, I did what you suggested. Here is the fourth result. But I used Bing.
Rochester pastor who shot granddaughter thought she was intruder
http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.ht...
yep and tasers are"non lethal" too. Yet over 500 people are killed by them a year. Just from police.

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Dec 19, 2012
 
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Dec 19, 2012
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just for a chuckle, I did what you suggested. Here is the fourth result. But I used Bing.
Rochester pastor who shot granddaughter thought she was intruder
http://www.startribune.com/local/183452611.ht...
That's called a gun accident and doesn't support your claim that those who use a gun are likely to make matters worse on themselves ending up with them getting shot instead.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What makes them true is that they happened. That was kind of a stupid question.
Look. This was on the first page of your search.
Woman, 86, pulled gun before intruder killed her, documents say
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/2012121...
The woman didn't even have control over the gun. She was 86 years old for crying out loud. She was reaching for the gun when he wrestled it away from her. You call that evidence to support your claim?
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xxxrayted wrote:
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From what we know now, there are two things that caused her demise: first off is training your screwed up kid how to shoot a gun. Second is that she danced around having him institutionalized and informing him of her intent. It's believed now that's what set him off. She did some voluntary work at the school which is why her son chose it as a target.
I don't blame the gun or type of gun for this tragedy. I blame a irresponsible parent.
How old is a reasonable age to teach your child how to use a gun?
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just so you will now tell us how you can't do scientific research through a Google search, do one on "shot with own gun."
Gun accidents happen all the time. Every hunting season usually starts out with a hunter getting hurt or killed by accident. So do we outlaw hunting or disarm the rest of America for that reason?
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xxxrayted wrote:
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That's called a gun accident and doesn't support your claim that those who use a gun are likely to make matters worse on themselves ending up with them getting shot instead.
Oh. I didn't understand the terminology. When a homeowner pulls a gun on an intruder and "wins" the confrontation, that is a gun success story. When a home owner pulls a gun on who he thinks is an intruder and shoots someone in his own family, that's just an unfortunate incident. I see. I bet that gun made that granddaughter shot in the chest feel much safer in her home.

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