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xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16055 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What makes them true is that they happened. That was kind of a stupid question.
Look. This was on the first page of your search.
Woman, 86, pulled gun before intruder killed her, documents say
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/2012121...
The woman didn't even have control over the gun. She was 86 years old for crying out loud. She was reaching for the gun when he wrestled it away from her. You call that evidence to support your claim?
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16056 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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From what we know now, there are two things that caused her demise: first off is training your screwed up kid how to shoot a gun. Second is that she danced around having him institutionalized and informing him of her intent. It's believed now that's what set him off. She did some voluntary work at the school which is why her son chose it as a target.
I don't blame the gun or type of gun for this tragedy. I blame a irresponsible parent.
How old is a reasonable age to teach your child how to use a gun?
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16057 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Just so you will now tell us how you can't do scientific research through a Google search, do one on "shot with own gun."
Gun accidents happen all the time. Every hunting season usually starts out with a hunter getting hurt or killed by accident. So do we outlaw hunting or disarm the rest of America for that reason?
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16058 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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That's called a gun accident and doesn't support your claim that those who use a gun are likely to make matters worse on themselves ending up with them getting shot instead.
Oh. I didn't understand the terminology. When a homeowner pulls a gun on an intruder and "wins" the confrontation, that is a gun success story. When a home owner pulls a gun on who he thinks is an intruder and shoots someone in his own family, that's just an unfortunate incident. I see. I bet that gun made that granddaughter shot in the chest feel much safer in her home.

Since: Feb 12

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#16059 Dec 19, 2012
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Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16060 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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The woman didn't even have control over the gun. She was 86 years old for crying out loud. She was reaching for the gun when he wrestled it away from her. You call that evidence to support your claim?
If you recall, you told me to Google the words you provided and told me I would find hundreds of heartwarming gun success stories and no stories of gun failures. The only claim I was making was how you were wrong about that specific assertion of yours.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#16061 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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How old is a reasonable age to teach your child how to use a gun?
I started teaching my son when he was 12.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16062 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Gun accidents happen all the time. Every hunting season usually starts out with a hunter getting hurt or killed by accident. So do we outlaw hunting or disarm the rest of America for that reason?
Crazy. These experienced, trained, gunmen shooting themselves or each other. Even more reason to put more guns in schools, eh?
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16063 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Oh. I didn't understand the terminology. When a homeowner pulls a gun on an intruder and "wins" the confrontation, that is a gun success story. When a home owner pulls a gun on who he thinks is an intruder and shoots someone in his own family, that's just an unfortunate incident. I see. I bet that gun made that granddaughter shot in the chest feel much safer in her home.
"She didn't say that having a gun makes you more likely to be assaulted. She said the study said if you have a gun when you get assaulted you are more likely to get shot."

That's what we were discussing.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#16064 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Gun accidents happen all the time. Every hunting season usually starts out with a hunter getting hurt or killed by accident. So do we outlaw hunting or disarm the rest of America for that reason?
XX, there is an assumed risk when people hunt. There is an assumed risk when we get in a car, bus, plane, truck. We don't expect anything to happen, but we know it is a possibility.

There is not an assumed risk when we send kids to school or go to the movies. We may expect that our kids will fall off the slide or the swings, or fall down on the playground at recess, but we never expect them to be gunned down at school at 6 or 7 years old.

Another poster on another thread suggested that maybe gun owners should have their Semi Automatics and Clips of more than 12 Rounds locked away at Shooting ranges. Come shoot them when they wish. Gun owners expense Not a bad idea. It would likely be the Honor System, like our Taxes, so there would be cheats. Electronic chips/tracking systems also an option. First thing that should be done, regardless of what goes down with Gun limitations is a lock system at schools, like they have at Malls. When someone reports a lost child all the doors to Exterior are locked automatically. Cameras and Metal Detectors prior to the doors could help at schools.
Better than having kids in an armed camp and calling it school.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16065 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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"She didn't say that having a gun makes you more likely to be assaulted. She said the study said if you have a gun when you get assaulted you are more likely to get shot."
That's what we were discussing.
And my contribution to the discussion is that anecdote and Google searches are a completely unscientific approach at trying to answer that question and are essentially worthless. She is the only person who has offered an answer based on scientific method.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16066 Dec 19, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I started teaching my son when he was 12.
Do you know what age people usually start demonstrating symptoms of schizophrenia?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#16067 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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How old is a reasonable age to teach your child how to use a gun?
Apparently, considering all the experienced gun owners with dead children, Median age is 3 Years.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#16068 Dec 19, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I started teaching my son when he was 12.
As did the school shooters Mother. But she is dead as is the shooter.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16069 Dec 19, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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XX, there is an assumed risk when people hunt. There is an assumed risk when we get in a car, bus, plane, truck. We don't expect anything to happen, but we know it is a possibility.
There is not an assumed risk when we send kids to school or go to the movies. We may expect that our kids will fall off the slide or the swings, or fall down on the playground at recess, but we never expect them to be gunned down at school at 6 or 7 years old.
Another poster on another thread suggested that maybe gun owners should have their Semi Automatics and Clips of more than 12 Rounds locked away at Shooting ranges. Come shoot them when they wish. Gun owners expense Not a bad idea. It would likely be the Honor System, like our Taxes, so there would be cheats. Electronic chips/tracking systems also an option. First thing that should be done, regardless of what goes down with Gun limitations is a lock system at schools, like they have at Malls. When someone reports a lost child all the doors to Exterior are locked automatically. Cameras and Metal Detectors prior to the doors could help at schools.
Better than having kids in an armed camp and calling it school.
Tell your friend in the other blog that firing ranges are not like gyms. You don't have lockers or storage spaces for your personal belongings.

Most of the guns in America today are semi-automatics. So what you're suggesting is that innocent civilians go out with a revolver and try to defend themselves against criminals with semi-automatic weapons. Good luck with that one. You might as well make all guns illegal and to hell with the Constitution.

So we install "lock systems" in the schools. That way, if a shooter breaks in, we can make it more difficult for the police to enter the school. Great idea! The school in Conn. did have locked doors. The clown shot the locks out to enter the building.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#16070 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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And my contribution to the discussion is that anecdote and Google searches are a completely unscientific approach at trying to answer that question and are essentially worthless. She is the only person who has offered an answer based on scientific method.
What scientific method? To just print numbers and no explanation behind them? I don't call that scientific.

It kind of reminds me of the race debate with narcotics. They just print sentences and try to relate it to race rather than circumstance. No information about past criminal records. No data to say how the defendants conducted themselves. No data on the circumstances regarding the arrest. No data on how remorseful the defendant was. Just that white coke users get less time than black crack users. End of story.
Pops

United States

#16071 Dec 19, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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My posts was in direct response to another's post. Learn to read in context. Christ.
Same response Che. My reply was to YOUR post!! I have occasionally agreed with your posts but when you are wrong you are just like the true blue Lib, blame someone else.
It is impossible for you to say; oops, I miss-stated, that is not what I meant, my info was in error or whatever.In other words, YOU pass the buck. Typical Obama, Pill-osi type of Lib.
It seems equally true that YOU deem yourself infallible!! Incapable of typo's, misinformation, personal bias, miscommunication & just plain 'to error is human'.
At times you argue the inarguable. Other times you have a valid point. This is NOT one of those occasions.
WE are all possible of human error but YOU can NOT admit that of yourself. So just go on your merry infallible, la-la land way & prohibit personal mental growth.
WE know you for who & what YOU are.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16072 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Tell your friend in the other blog that firing ranges are not like gyms. You don't have lockers or storage spaces for your personal belongings.
Most of the guns in America today are semi-automatics. So what you're suggesting is that innocent civilians go out with a revolver and try to defend themselves against criminals with semi-automatic weapons. Good luck with that one. You might as well make all guns illegal and to hell with the Constitution.
So we install "lock systems" in the schools. That way, if a shooter breaks in, we can make it more difficult for the police to enter the school. Great idea! The school in Conn. did have locked doors. The clown shot the locks out to enter the building.
Or we could read ALL of the words of the 2nd amendment and realize that it is no longer 1789 and we really don't need armed citizens in order to maintain a well regulated militia and just repeal that sucker. We can throw Three in there as well. Just as relevant.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#16073 Dec 19, 2012
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Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#16074 Dec 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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What scientific method? To just print numbers and no explanation behind them? I don't call that scientific.
It kind of reminds me of the race debate with narcotics. They just print sentences and try to relate it to race rather than circumstance. No information about past criminal records. No data to say how the defendants conducted themselves. No data on the circumstances regarding the arrest. No data on how remorseful the defendant was. Just that white coke users get less time than black crack users. End of story.
There were numbers behind them. She offered to get them for you. What she was able to link to was called an abstract. An abstract is a brief explanation of the study and its results. The numbers and explanation you desire is contained in the complete report the abstract summarizes.

The disparity in crack versus powder cocaine sentences had nothing to do with priors or anything else. It was simply that the statutes punished possession or sale of the same weight of crack much more severely than the possession or sale of the same weight of powder.

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