Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15870 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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What you don't know is that switching a magazine is nothing more than pushing a butting and inserting a new clip. If you are counting the rounds you shoot off, you don't even have to put a new round in the chamber. You just keep on firing.
If somebody is on a killing spree, they are not worried about catching the used clip. It simply drops to the ground. If you have a 10 round clip, once you get to your sixth shot, you continue firing with one hand while the other grabs the new clip. Push the button, snap in the new clip and keep on firing. You won't even hear a pause if you are listening to somebody switching clips that way.
If you visit your local gun shop and ask the salesman to demonstrate the speed at which you can insert a new clip, he or she will be happy to show you. Police practice this way during training. A 9mm semi-automatic handgun is one of the most popular guns the police use.
The point is, limiting the size of a magazine only makes the shooter do a little more work. It does not stop or slow down the damage he can do.
How quick can you switch out a cylinder in a revolver because you just made me decide that banning those ridiculous multiround clips is not going to be enough.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15871 Dec 17, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
Says he. He didn't shoot him and it is doubtful that someone pointing a gun at him scared him so much he shot himself.
Why didn't he shoot him? Had trouble with his gun, but was able to shoot himself?
Whatever the problem was, the shooter fixed it. People that do these mass shootings are on a suicide mission. They know they are going to die, but want to take out as many victims as they can. Somebody firing a shot at them may only wound them--perhaps leaving them incapable of the ultimate finish which is suicide. They have no desire to go to jail, trial, or hospital. When they're done, they just want it over with. So they fear being taken into custody.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15872 Dec 17, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
How quick can you switch out a cylinder in a revolver because you just made me decide that banning those ridiculous multiround clips is not going to be enough.
You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.

So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.

I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15873 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever the problem was, the shooter fixed it. People that do these mass shootings are on a suicide mission. They know they are going to die, but want to take out as many victims as they can. Somebody firing a shot at them may only wound them--perhaps leaving them incapable of the ultimate finish which is suicide. They have no desire to go to jail, trial, or hospital. When they're done, they just want it over with. So they fear being taken into custody.
I think she was asking why the wannabe Dirty Harry CCW guy didn't shoot the shooter but rather let him get off one more round.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15874 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.
So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.
I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
We better arm our teachers with M16s then.

But I wonder how Great Britain can manage to have a rather peaceful society without even arming most of their police officers.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15875 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.
So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.
I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
How many times have you had to draw down?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15876 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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You don't switch cylinders. They used to have "speed loaders" but I never used one and don't know how it works. They came out with speed loaders before semi-automatics became the gun to buy.
So let's say we ban all semi-automatics. Do you think the criminal will not use them? That's the point. We citizens need equal firepower of our attackers be it a robber or government.
I have a .357 revolver. It was given to me as a gift. A beautiful gun--all stainless steel. I love shooting it for target practice but would never consider it for the streets. I could fire six rounds in a semi-automatic before I could fire two rounds from that revolver. That puts me at a disadvantage to the criminal because he's not going to rob me using a revolver.
Do you really think that if someone comes up to you, to rob you, is armed and ready that your gun will keep you alive? Is he/she giving you a head start/ points for a handicap? If someone wants to shoot you, they will, you may shoot them too, XX, but they will get you. You know that.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15877 Dec 17, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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We better arm our teachers with M16s then.
But I wonder how Great Britain can manage to have a rather peaceful society without even arming most of their police officers.
Years ago their officers didn't have firearms. Time changed that. Most (if not all) are armed.

GB is less of a multicultural society than ours. Our statistics show people of different races that are much more prone violence and crime than others.

It's difficult to make apples to apples comparisons of our culture than those in other countries. What might work there may not work here. What might work here may not work there.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15878 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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If it was known that anybody in that school had a firearm, it's likely he would have chose another target. Kooks may be kooks, but they're smart enough to know what Victim Zones are. They choose places where they know fully well nobody is armed.
Are people not armed in Alabama? Stats tell us they are.
Arizona too.
Texas Cafeteria shooting?

Alabama shooter kills one sheriff's deputy, wounds another ... article.wn.com/view/2012/11/24/Alabama_shoote... ...

Nov 24, 2012 ... Wife, Daughter Killed By Gunman. Ala. Sheriff's deputy Josh Myers spoke out about the murder of his wife and daughter durin... published: 11 ...
Alabama gunman kills 10, including wife and child of sheriff's ... www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/179... ...- Similarto Alabama gunman kills 10, including wife and child of sheriff's ...

Mar 11, 2009 ... Associated Press SAMSON, Ala. Authorities say an Alabama gunman who killed 10 people and himself in a rampage had once trained as a ...
2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting - Wikipedia,... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alab... ...- Similarto 2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting - Wikipedia,...

Anderson revealed that his wife had borrowed the gun used in the shooting, and that he had escorted her to ..... "Three killed in University of Alabama shooting".
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15879 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Reports out now say he lived with his mother. They also say the kook was an intelligent person. He was taking college courses at the age of 16. They also say he as no history of violence in his 20 years on earth. Of course, you know how these stories change with time. I'm just printing some things I heard on the radio today.
Right, he was over 18, lock his ass out & report suspicions to the law. I would have done that if I were in her shoes & I have 3 sons that would agree. Fortunately for society my family never came to that but my grown sons will tell you that I could & did do 'tuff love'.
My sons are now a fine auto mechanic, 9 yrs Navy with 5 yrs to go & a 3rd yr psychology student.
At young ages I entered all 3 & myself into state recognized weapons safety classes (firearms, bows & arrows, knives, throwing stars etc) & we all passed. Two of us have CCDW licenses, the navy son doesn't need one at this time & the other son doesn't really care to get one.
The main point is the 'tuff love' although a parent can do all of the right things & still end up with a loser. Such is life.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15880 Dec 17, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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How many times have you had to draw down?
Never, but most people who defended themselves with firearms didn't either. It's one of those things that are unlikely to happen to you, but do happen to others.

We had a debate going on during the considerations of CCW's here in Ohio. One argued with me about the practicality of using firearms in our state. To make my point of having CCW's, I explained to him that my mother lives alone. She never drove a car either. She likes her walks to the store or church, and I was concerned about her safety at her age.

He wrote back asking me that if CCW's passed, would my elderly mother carry a firearm? To that I responded "No she wouldn't, but the criminal doesn't know that."

Criminals don't like uncertainty. If they are planning on stealing a car, they would choose one without an alarm than one that has an alarm. They have better odds at success that way. Same holds true of armed citizens. Most of these murders take place in areas where guns are not permitted by law-biding citizens. Again, uncertainty scares criminals.

Even if it was announced that a city decided to have armed teachers or administrators in a school building, that alone would discourage potential kooks like this guy in Connecticut from going there whether teachers or facility were armed or not. Again, uncertainty.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15881 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Years ago their officers didn't have firearms. Time changed that. Most (if not all) are armed.
GB is less of a multicultural society than ours. Our statistics show people of different races that are much more prone violence and crime than others.
It's difficult to make apples to apples comparisons of our culture than those in other countries. What might work there may not work here. What might work here may not work there.
I think that you are wrong about whether the police in Great Britain commonly carry guns.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19...

I know you are wrong to suggest the reason that the US has a disproportionate number of mass shooting is our diversity. I suggest you check the race of the last 4 (random number) mass shootings.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15882 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Never, but most people who defended themselves with firearms didn't either. It's one of those things that are unlikely to happen to you, but do happen to others.
We had a debate going on during the considerations of CCW's here in Ohio. One argued with me about the practicality of using firearms in our state. To make my point of having CCW's, I explained to him that my mother lives alone. She never drove a car either. She likes her walks to the store or church, and I was concerned about her safety at her age.
He wrote back asking me that if CCW's passed, would my elderly mother carry a firearm? To that I responded "No she wouldn't, but the criminal doesn't know that."
Criminals don't like uncertainty. If they are planning on stealing a car, they would choose one without an alarm than one that has an alarm. They have better odds at success that way. Same holds true of armed citizens. Most of these murders take place in areas where guns are not permitted by law-biding citizens. Again, uncertainty scares criminals.
Even if it was announced that a city decided to have armed teachers or administrators in a school building, that alone would discourage potential kooks like this guy in Connecticut from going there whether teachers or facility were armed or not. Again, uncertainty.
Then I have an idea. Let's issue 1 CCW permit per 500 people on a random basis. Less guns and more uncertainty. There you go.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15883 Dec 17, 2012
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Right, he was over 18, lock his ass out & report suspicions to the law. I would have done that if I were in her shoes & I have 3 sons that would agree. Fortunately for society my family never came to that but my grown sons will tell you that I could & did do 'tuff love'.
My sons are now a fine auto mechanic, 9 yrs Navy with 5 yrs to go & a 3rd yr psychology student.
At young ages I entered all 3 & myself into state recognized weapons safety classes (firearms, bows & arrows, knives, throwing stars etc) & we all passed. Two of us have CCDW licenses, the navy son doesn't need one at this time & the other son doesn't really care to get one.
The main point is the 'tuff love' although a parent can do all of the right things & still end up with a loser. Such is life.
So true. But the liberal stance is that all society ills can be rectified through legislation. There is no truth to it, but it's their philosophy.

If early reports are correct, the mother did try to seek help for her son. But because he was never a trouble maker, it fell on deaf ears. She was married to a pretty wealthy man and didn't have to work. She could have afforded him proper treatment.

We have 315 million people in this country, and from time to time, some kook like this manages to carry out a multiple deadly murder spree. Is it possible to prevent this one out of 315 million people from achieving his or her goals every year or so? I don't think so. It's just something we all have to live with.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15884 Dec 17, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that you are wrong about whether the police in Great Britain commonly carry guns.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/19...
I know you are wrong to suggest the reason that the US has a disproportionate number of mass shooting is our diversity. I suggest you check the race of the last 4 (random number) mass shootings.
Those types of murders are basically white oriented crimes. But what about street crimes that kill many more than those mass murderers? How about robberies or rapes? Tell me what is going on in Chicago these past few years? They have the strictest gun laws in the nation, and in fact, was ordered by the court to begin a CCW program. Connecticut was had the third strictest gun laws in the country.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15886 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Those types of murders are basically white oriented crimes. But what about street crimes that kill many more than those mass murderers? How about robberies or rapes? Tell me what is going on in Chicago these past few years? They have the strictest gun laws in the nation, and in fact, was ordered by the court to begin a CCW program. Connecticut was had the third strictest gun laws in the country.
We are a culture that glorifies guns and death. We have a lot of work to do. Unfortunately, to some extent, we will probably have to wait to pry the guns out of your generation's cold, dead fingers.

But we can start by working on reducing these ridiculous military style weapons from out streets and taxing the ever loving shit out of guns and ammo to pay for the cost of trying to protect the innocent.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15887 Dec 17, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Those types of murders are basically white oriented crimes. But what about street crimes that kill many more than those mass murderers? How about robberies or rapes? Tell me what is going on in Chicago these past few years? They have the strictest gun laws in the nation, and in fact, was ordered by the court to begin a CCW program. Connecticut was had the third strictest gun laws in the country.
Oh, that an issuing only 1 CCW permit per every 500 people. Good idea, by the way. Thanks.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15888 Dec 17, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think she was asking why the wannabe Dirty Harry CCW guy didn't shoot the shooter but rather let him get off one more round.
Yes. And why didn't the shooter take out Dirty Harry Wanna Be, since he was there to kill as many as possible and he fixed his gun?
If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15889 Dec 17, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
We better arm our teachers with M16s then.
But I wonder how Great Britain can manage to have a rather peaceful society without even arming most of their police officers.
Talk about a "Police State" that most right wingers claim they want to avoid.
Think about all the teachers, staff and personnel walking around with AK 47's or AR 15's.
What kind of kids would come out of those schools?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15890 Dec 17, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
Talk about a "Police State" that most right wingers claim they want to avoid.
Think about all the teachers, staff and personnel walking around with AK 47's or AR 15's.
What kind of kids would come out of those schools?
The 16 year old usher at the movie theater will probably dig it.

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