Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15064 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Maybe you don't. Our company doesn't produce products. An electrician doesn't produce products. Neither does a plumber. It's not production--it's service oriented. Government provides services--not products with perhaps very few exceptions such as NASA or a water plant.
Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.

And? What the heck is your point?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15065 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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A much more honest answer than I expected.
Too bad its flawed.

woof
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15066 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What has Obama done for the country? Other than reforming health insurance, saving the auto industry, stopping the economic free fall, regulating Wall Street, ending discrimination against homosexuals in the military, signing equal pay legislation, ending the war in Iraq, giving us an outdate from Afghanistan, killing Osama bin Laden, and repairing our standing with the rest of the World? Gee, I don't know.
Wrong. Health insurance is up because of Commie Care. That's not for the good of the country. Saving the auto companies (which is debatable) was for his union friends who support his party. Stopping the "free fall" is speculation at best. If anything, his policies have kept this economy stagnant for the last several years.

Gays in the military. Gee, that's not candy for Democrat voters. Definitely no advantage for the country in general. Equal pay legislation only forces companies to pay the same money to less productive workers. No advantage to the country there. If anything, it will only make it more likely for a company to leave the states if they are on the fence about it. Ending the war in Iraq making it a terrorist bed is not in the best interest of our country. It's pandering to his base instead. Giving the terrorists and outdate in Afghanistan only allows them to plan a little better.

Most everything you listed was for the good of himself or his party. I asked what he did to make this country better. You have no real answer. Bin Laden was nothing more than a continuation of Bush and his efforts to find him. Execution without a trial.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15067 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time. GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living;[2][3] GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income (See Standard of living and GDP). Under economic theory, GDP per capita exactly equals the gross domestic income (GDI) per capita (See Gross domestic income).
GDP is related to national accounts, a subject in macroeconomics. GDP is not to be confused with gross national product (GNP) which allocates production based on ownership.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDP
You better go back and finish your homework. You've left quite a bit out. Read closer next time under "services" and "government spending".

woof

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15068 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Fair enough. Answer Rush's question.
Enforced the VRA.

Kept the Country out of a depression, despite GOP obstruction.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#15069 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.

woof
Wrong. They produce consumer services that provide tax revenue, salaries that are generated in the private sector and purchase goods from manufacturers than aren't paid for by the taxpayers.
Fire and police are essential, but they are net drains on an economy. That's not a crime, it's just the way it is.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15070 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What has Obama done for the country? Other than reforming health insurance, saving the auto industry, stopping the economic free fall, regulating Wall Street, ending discrimination against homosexuals in the military, signing equal pay legislation, ending the war in Iraq, giving us an outdate from Afghanistan, killing Osama bin Laden, and repairing our standing with the rest of the World? Gee, I don't know.
Health insurance that may bankrupt the country although I hope not.
Save the auto industry? He didn't save Ford, Toyota, Subaru, or Honda. They make vehicles in the U.S. & also export from here. So don't be so broad to declare "saving the auto industry" because you will be as inaccurate as a typical koolade drinking liberal. Besides, GM NOW makes more cars overseas than ever before than compared to here. Instead, Toyota in Georgetown KY has been sending Camrys back to Japan for well over a decade.
GM was run so poorly that they couldn't even make a profit by selling off Hummer, Saab, Saturn, Pontiac, Oldsmobile & whatever else. In fact, NONE of those divisions were sold except for Saab & it is now defunct.
NEXT, Obama did NOT kill Osama! The program that tracked him down was established by the GW White House & executed by a Seal Team who's budget that Obama wants now to cut, I accept that Obama gave the ultimate order & give him credit for having the ga-hoona's to do that but in '08 he campaigned on terminating the very same program that allowed him to give that order. WE should all be happy that that in particular is one of the many promises that he didn't keep.
As far as liberating the U.S. from Iraq, that was already in motion.
Then don't forget that Obama also campaigned on getting the U.S. out of Afghanistan & then created the 'Surge' which one of my sons was part of. Gratefully he made it back unharmed along with most others that did, but unlike many others that did not...My sympathies & respect for all of those that did not return & their families.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15071 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.
And? What the heck is your point?
woof
My point is that the private sector is part of the GDP because (according to Wiki) services and goods are a "marketable" product. Government services are not a marketable product. Again, with a few exceptions.

I drive a truck and produce profit for my company. In return, they pay me for my services. Now we take a state snow plow driver who clears our highways and state routes. A needed service? Yes, but not a marketable product because no profit was created.

Our system of finances work like this: The private sector creates products and services for profit. From that profit, money is taken from workers and companies to support the public sector. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.

This is why DumBama is such an utter failure. His plan was to have the public sector support the private. It didn't work. It can't because no profit was created. The success of the public sector does not create additional jobs.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#15072 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that the private sector is part of the GDP because (according to Wiki) services and goods are a "marketable" product. Government services are not a marketable product. Again, with a few exceptions.
I drive a truck and produce profit for my company. In return, they pay me for my services. Now we take a state snow plow driver who clears our highways and state routes. A needed service? Yes, but not a marketable product because no profit was created.
Our system of finances work like this: The private sector creates products and services for profit. From that profit, money is taken from workers and companies to support the public sector. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.
This is why DumBama is such an utter failure. His plan was to have the public sector support the private. It didn't work. It can't because no profit was created. The success of the public sector does not create additional jobs.
We're wasting our time trying to teach freshman economics to these lefties. Not only do they not understand economic logic, they hate what they don't understand and they hate those of us who do have a clue. It's that hate which makes them dangerous, as we have seen for nearly four years of the most anti-American and anti-freedom administration in US history. This bunch makes Henry Wallace look like a John Bircher.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15073 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Since you and Pops have both conveniently forgotten Pops' post from last night, here it is,
<quoted text>
Correct. So what in the world is your supposed point? YOU iterated "happy" in your post from the post that you just pasted & should now see that that is NOT true which would invalidate much of what you have commented on. Twisted so to speak.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15074 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>best thing for workers.
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Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15075 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Enforced the VRA.
Kept the Country out of a depression, despite GOP obstruction.
woof
33 Straight Months of Job creation.
Despite GOP Obstruction.
Convinced 53.5% of Voters that the recovery is working and not to give up on him now.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#15076 Dec 8, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
[PDF] The Truth about Right to Work for Less - Pennsylva... www.paaflcio.org/docs/The%20Truth%20about%20R...
Comparison of Pennsylvania and “Right to Work” States Shows that So-... than $10,000 greater than the average annual pay in Right to Work states like South ... Means; US Census Bureau; US Department of Labor; Bureau of Labor Statistics; ...
5 Ways 'Right To Work'(For Less) Laws Crush The Middle Class www.nationalmemo.com/5-ways-right-to-work-for... ...
1 day ago ... The deceptively named “Right to Work” bill was passed by both state .... seems to ultimately mean youll be doing the same work but for less pay ...
Missouri's Right to Work for Less bills are functionally ... www.progressmissouri.org/missouris-right-work... ...
Missouri's Right to Work for Less bills are functionally identical to ALEC models ... The term "labor organization" means any organization of any kind, or agency ...
Right To Work For Less www.miafscme.org/RTW_overview.htm - Similarto Right To Work For Less
Right To Work For Less: An Overview. What Is Right To Work? Bad for Michigan, Bad for Working Families. Who's Behind It? Myths and Facts. Right to Work ...
Right to Work | Building the Middle Class buildingthemiddleclass.org/issues/right-to-wo...
Workers in RTW states—union and non-union alike—earn less than their peers in other states. RTW laws, in other words, do not discourage investment but they ...
Effects of Right to Work Laws on Employees, Unions, and ... right-to-work-laws.johnwcooper.com/ - Similarto Effects of Right to Work Laws on Employees, Unions, and ...
The Taft-Hartley Act, which allows states to make Right to Work laws, was enacted .... about $5,333 less a year than workers in other states”(“RTW States Are”).
$5,333...That about covers the extra taxes, union dues and payoffs in union states.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#15077 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
You better go back and finish your homework. You've left quite a bit out. Read closer next time under "services" and "government spending".
woof
woof
Wait till he figures out that he has a Black Box in his car.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15078 Dec 8, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>We're wasting our time trying to teach freshman economics to these lefties. Not only do they not understand economic logic, they hate what they don't understand and they hate those of us who do have a clue. It's that hate which makes them dangerous, as we have seen for nearly four years of the most anti-American and anti-freedom administration in US history. This bunch makes Henry Wallace look like a John Bircher.
When you attack a cradle-to-graver on government, it's like somebody attacking your wife or children. They defend it right or wrong.

My dear old dad stopped over for a visit this afternoon. He went on about how we have less disposable income today than we did say 35 years ago. He blamed it on the private market.

I went on to explain that we didn't spend money on things 35 years ago that we spend today. Look at your cable/ internet bill that we didn't have back then. Some are as high as $200.00 per month when you include pay-per-view. Family cell phone plan? That's $120.00 with all the text/ pictures and downloads. Then we have NetFlix. How much money to we spend on that today? What about a new video game for your WII? How about all those DVD rentals you made in a months time? 35 years ago, McDonalds was a rare treat. Today, some use fast food as their standard way to feed the family.

Now we add all the intrinsic environmental cost to gasoline, automobiles, utilities, and yes, even your lawnmower and snowblower. Now that we paid that, let's talk about taxes. Then of course there are the dreaded medical care bills.

Like our federal government, it's now how much we bring in, it's what we do with it once we bring it in. How much money would we all have in the bank or investments if we only spent money on things we did 35 years ago? Quit blaming the rich guy.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#15079 Dec 8, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
<quoted text>
33 Straight Months of Job creation.
Despite GOP Obstruction.
Convinced 53.5% of Voters that the recovery is working and not to give up on him now.
He got 51.0% of the vote. Do you lie often?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_pr...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#15080 Dec 8, 2012
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>$5,333...That about covers the extra taxes, union dues and payoffs in union states.
that was what I was thinking too.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#15081 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
When you attack a cradle-to-graver on government, it's like somebody attacking your wife or children. They defend it right or wrong.
My dear old dad stopped over for a visit this afternoon. He went on about how we have less disposable income today than we did say 35 years ago. He blamed it on the private market.
I went on to explain that we didn't spend money on things 35 years ago that we spend today. Look at your cable/ internet bill that we didn't have back then. Some are as high as $200.00 per month when you include pay-per-view. Family cell phone plan? That's $120.00 with all the text/ pictures and downloads. Then we have NetFlix. How much money to we spend on that today? What about a new video game for your WII? How about all those DVD rentals you made in a months time? 35 years ago, McDonalds was a rare treat. Today, some use fast food as their standard way to feed the family.
Now we add all the intrinsic environmental cost to gasoline, automobiles, utilities, and yes, even your lawnmower and snowblower. Now that we paid that, let's talk about taxes. Then of course there are the dreaded medical care bills.
Like our federal government, it's now how much we bring in, it's what we do with it once we bring it in. How much money would we all have in the bank or investments if we only spent money on things we did 35 years ago? Quit blaming the rich guy.
I agree with your dad and he is right, the private market & sector is & has created alot of this mess along with the help of the Federal Government with the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act & the Humphrey–Hawkins Full Employment Act.

Humphrey–Hawkins Full Employment Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Employment_...

Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Le...
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15082 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.
And? What the heck is your point?
woof
They produce an outlet for the makers of sinks, clothes, tools, gasoline, lawnmowers & everything else. Restaurants produce consumers for Heinz, Campbell soups, dairies, wheat growers etc etc. Communications produces an outlet for advertising sponsers, information, news, weather reports, music, sports broadcasts etc.
ALL of which create income & wealth that is NOT supported by taxes but instead produce revenue that support tax paid positions & services. WOOF
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15083 Dec 8, 2012
Cousin DuPrees Cousin wrote:
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33 Straight Months of Job creation.
Despite GOP Obstruction.
Convinced 53.5% of Voters that the recovery is working and not to give up on him now.
33 straight months of job groeth? Only by cooking the numbers like NOT counting people that have given up on job searching or have had their unemployment run out but both groups are still unemployed & by not counting them, wrongly skew the unemployment figures. This is common knowledge although not realized by koolade drinkers.

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