Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15055 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Since you and Pops have both conveniently forgotten Pops' post from last night, here it is,
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I've read it several times. Let me give you an example of what he meant:

Bill Clinton signed welfare reform against his own wishes. He also lowered capital gains taxes to help keep the economy moving. Democrats are for welfare people and for higher taxes. He raised taxes in some areas while lowering them in others to get the market going. That's working for the better of our country and not your party alone.

George Bush believed that the wealthy were paying too much tax. He also realized that the economy needed improvements. So he lowered the taxes for everybody--not just the wealthy. He also created the second largest government entitlement in Medicare. Republicans are not for expanding entitlements.

Tell me, what has DumBama done for the better of the country and not his party with the exception of making trade-offs on a few items with Republicans? Nothing. DumBama is a party first-country second President.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15056 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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A much more honest answer than I expected.
Thank you.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15057 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Now you are back to products instead of profits. If the government, because it only provides services, is not a part of the GDP, than your owner and the plumber and the electrician aren't a part of the GDP either because all they provide is a service, right?
Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time. GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living;[2][3] GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income (See Standard of living and GDP). Under economic theory, GDP per capita exactly equals the gross domestic income (GDI) per capita (See Gross domestic income).

GDP is related to national accounts, a subject in macroeconomics. GDP is not to be confused with gross national product (GNP) which allocates production based on ownership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDP
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15058 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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I've read it several times. Let me give you an example of what he meant:
Bill Clinton signed welfare reform against his own wishes. He also lowered capital gains taxes to help keep the economy moving. Democrats are for welfare people and for higher taxes. He raised taxes in some areas while lowering them in others to get the market going. That's working for the better of our country and not your party alone.
George Bush believed that the wealthy were paying too much tax. He also realized that the economy needed improvements. So he lowered the taxes for everybody--not just the wealthy. He also created the second largest government entitlement in Medicare. Republicans are not for expanding entitlements.
Tell me, what has DumBama done for the better of the country and not his party with the exception of making trade-offs on a few items with Republicans? Nothing. DumBama is a party first-country second President.
That is a Rush Limbaugh retread and nothing more.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15059 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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That is a Rush Limbaugh retread and nothing more.
Fair enough. Answer Rush's question.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15060 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Fair enough. Answer Rush's question.
What has Obama done for the country? Other than reforming health insurance, saving the auto industry, stopping the economic free fall, regulating Wall Street, ending discrimination against homosexuals in the military, signing equal pay legislation, ending the war in Iraq, giving us an outdate from Afghanistan, killing Osama bin Laden, and repairing our standing with the rest of the World? Gee, I don't know.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15061 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Holy Christ. Right. That's what you said. My question was, how in the name of perdition does he do that on issues like abortion, marriage equality, etc. The POTUS is not a representative office. Candidates run on platforms and it is expected that they will advance the platform once elected. What is the point of an election if the winner is supposed to "represent" every view point? Every time I forget how insufferably stupid you are, you remind me.
I am beginning to believe that YOU are not only the owner of a mind that is twisted but also entertaining yourself with twisted arguments that resorts to name calling when you have no logic to share.
Let me ask, are you a parent? IF so, your offspring have my sympathies. But that aside, as a parent, YOU represent YOUR family, as a provider, teacher & decision maker, or at least you should.
Does Every decision that you make satisfy or make happy, Everyone in your family? Yet you represent all of them. NOT just your spouse OR your 1st born or 2nd born etc or only the ones of the same gender as you.
Did one of your parents (bless them for putting up with you) represent only one or two of your siblings? OR Did they focus on making only certain family members 'happy' as you put it? Maybe they did & that is the embryo of your mental issues. But they likely 'represented' all of you in their decision making.Unlike Obama & his Minions do for the entire country.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#15062 Dec 8, 2012
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I am beginning to believe that YOU are not only the owner of a mind that is twisted but also entertaining yourself with twisted arguments that resorts to name calling when you have no logic to share.
Let me ask, are you a parent? IF so, your offspring have my sympathies. But that aside, as a parent, YOU represent YOUR family, as a provider, teacher & decision maker, or at least you should.
Does Every decision that you make satisfy or make happy, Everyone in your family? Yet you represent all of them. NOT just your spouse OR your 1st born or 2nd born etc or only the ones of the same gender as you.
Did one of your parents (bless them for putting up with you) represent only one or two of your siblings? OR Did they focus on making only certain family members 'happy' as you put it? Maybe they did & that is the embryo of your mental issues. But they likely 'represented' all of you in their decision making.Unlike Obama & his Minions do for the entire country.
So in other words, the POTUS has to exercise his own judgment to do what he believes in in the best interest of the entire nation?
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15064 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Maybe you don't. Our company doesn't produce products. An electrician doesn't produce products. Neither does a plumber. It's not production--it's service oriented. Government provides services--not products with perhaps very few exceptions such as NASA or a water plant.
Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.

And? What the heck is your point?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15065 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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A much more honest answer than I expected.
Too bad its flawed.

woof
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15066 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What has Obama done for the country? Other than reforming health insurance, saving the auto industry, stopping the economic free fall, regulating Wall Street, ending discrimination against homosexuals in the military, signing equal pay legislation, ending the war in Iraq, giving us an outdate from Afghanistan, killing Osama bin Laden, and repairing our standing with the rest of the World? Gee, I don't know.
Wrong. Health insurance is up because of Commie Care. That's not for the good of the country. Saving the auto companies (which is debatable) was for his union friends who support his party. Stopping the "free fall" is speculation at best. If anything, his policies have kept this economy stagnant for the last several years.

Gays in the military. Gee, that's not candy for Democrat voters. Definitely no advantage for the country in general. Equal pay legislation only forces companies to pay the same money to less productive workers. No advantage to the country there. If anything, it will only make it more likely for a company to leave the states if they are on the fence about it. Ending the war in Iraq making it a terrorist bed is not in the best interest of our country. It's pandering to his base instead. Giving the terrorists and outdate in Afghanistan only allows them to plan a little better.

Most everything you listed was for the good of himself or his party. I asked what he did to make this country better. You have no real answer. Bin Laden was nothing more than a continuation of Bush and his efforts to find him. Execution without a trial.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15067 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Gross domestic product (GDP) is the market value of all officially recognized final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time. GDP per capita is often considered an indicator of a country's standard of living;[2][3] GDP per capita is not a measure of personal income (See Standard of living and GDP). Under economic theory, GDP per capita exactly equals the gross domestic income (GDI) per capita (See Gross domestic income).
GDP is related to national accounts, a subject in macroeconomics. GDP is not to be confused with gross national product (GNP) which allocates production based on ownership.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDP
You better go back and finish your homework. You've left quite a bit out. Read closer next time under "services" and "government spending".

woof

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Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#15068 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Fair enough. Answer Rush's question.
Enforced the VRA.

Kept the Country out of a depression, despite GOP obstruction.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#15069 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.

woof
Wrong. They produce consumer services that provide tax revenue, salaries that are generated in the private sector and purchase goods from manufacturers than aren't paid for by the taxpayers.
Fire and police are essential, but they are net drains on an economy. That's not a crime, it's just the way it is.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15070 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What has Obama done for the country? Other than reforming health insurance, saving the auto industry, stopping the economic free fall, regulating Wall Street, ending discrimination against homosexuals in the military, signing equal pay legislation, ending the war in Iraq, giving us an outdate from Afghanistan, killing Osama bin Laden, and repairing our standing with the rest of the World? Gee, I don't know.
Health insurance that may bankrupt the country although I hope not.
Save the auto industry? He didn't save Ford, Toyota, Subaru, or Honda. They make vehicles in the U.S. & also export from here. So don't be so broad to declare "saving the auto industry" because you will be as inaccurate as a typical koolade drinking liberal. Besides, GM NOW makes more cars overseas than ever before than compared to here. Instead, Toyota in Georgetown KY has been sending Camrys back to Japan for well over a decade.
GM was run so poorly that they couldn't even make a profit by selling off Hummer, Saab, Saturn, Pontiac, Oldsmobile & whatever else. In fact, NONE of those divisions were sold except for Saab & it is now defunct.
NEXT, Obama did NOT kill Osama! The program that tracked him down was established by the GW White House & executed by a Seal Team who's budget that Obama wants now to cut, I accept that Obama gave the ultimate order & give him credit for having the ga-hoona's to do that but in '08 he campaigned on terminating the very same program that allowed him to give that order. WE should all be happy that that in particular is one of the many promises that he didn't keep.
As far as liberating the U.S. from Iraq, that was already in motion.
Then don't forget that Obama also campaigned on getting the U.S. out of Afghanistan & then created the 'Surge' which one of my sons was part of. Gratefully he made it back unharmed along with most others that did, but unlike many others that did not...My sympathies & respect for all of those that did not return & their families.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#15071 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Neither retail businesses nor restaurants nor communications providers produce anything either.
And? What the heck is your point?
woof
My point is that the private sector is part of the GDP because (according to Wiki) services and goods are a "marketable" product. Government services are not a marketable product. Again, with a few exceptions.

I drive a truck and produce profit for my company. In return, they pay me for my services. Now we take a state snow plow driver who clears our highways and state routes. A needed service? Yes, but not a marketable product because no profit was created.

Our system of finances work like this: The private sector creates products and services for profit. From that profit, money is taken from workers and companies to support the public sector. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.

This is why DumBama is such an utter failure. His plan was to have the public sector support the private. It didn't work. It can't because no profit was created. The success of the public sector does not create additional jobs.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#15072 Dec 8, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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My point is that the private sector is part of the GDP because (according to Wiki) services and goods are a "marketable" product. Government services are not a marketable product. Again, with a few exceptions.
I drive a truck and produce profit for my company. In return, they pay me for my services. Now we take a state snow plow driver who clears our highways and state routes. A needed service? Yes, but not a marketable product because no profit was created.
Our system of finances work like this: The private sector creates products and services for profit. From that profit, money is taken from workers and companies to support the public sector. In other words, the private sector supports the public sector.
This is why DumBama is such an utter failure. His plan was to have the public sector support the private. It didn't work. It can't because no profit was created. The success of the public sector does not create additional jobs.
We're wasting our time trying to teach freshman economics to these lefties. Not only do they not understand economic logic, they hate what they don't understand and they hate those of us who do have a clue. It's that hate which makes them dangerous, as we have seen for nearly four years of the most anti-American and anti-freedom administration in US history. This bunch makes Henry Wallace look like a John Bircher.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#15073 Dec 8, 2012
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Since you and Pops have both conveniently forgotten Pops' post from last night, here it is,
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Correct. So what in the world is your supposed point? YOU iterated "happy" in your post from the post that you just pasted & should now see that that is NOT true which would invalidate much of what you have commented on. Twisted so to speak.

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#15074 Dec 8, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>best thing for workers.
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#15075 Dec 8, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Enforced the VRA.
Kept the Country out of a depression, despite GOP obstruction.
woof
33 Straight Months of Job creation.
Despite GOP Obstruction.
Convinced 53.5% of Voters that the recovery is working and not to give up on him now.

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