Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
mutt

Chillicothe, OH

#25642 Feb 17, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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The last ones to use them were southern conservatives trying to disenfranchise black voters. Those "literacy tests" were made illegal by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.(This law was later affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test#Vo...
The only time the word "conservative" was used in that article, was when it mentioned House Speaker Joseph Gurney Cannon, a conservative Republican who was against literacy tests for immigrants in 1906.

Literacy tests, as well as poll taxes, were used by southern state legislatures full of DEMOCRATS for the purpose of disenfranchising blacks. Read this article to find out all about the exhaustive measures taken by southern democrats to keep blacks from voting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disfranchisement...
mutt

Chillicothe, OH

#25643 Feb 17, 2014
kuda wrote:
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I've given plenty of attention to "analyzing" President Obama and find a lot to like and respect and nothing to dislike or disrespect....However, what you consider evidence supporting your belief that he's "corrupt and power-hungry" is in fact nothing more than your interpretation through over-reaching the information upon which you based it.
Really. Well, I can see why you wouldn't think the president's and Congress' job descriptions, as outlined in the Constitution, would be compelling evidence that Obama has overreached his authority. So, let's forget about that for now. You still haven't answered my question from the other day:

"Do you think it would be alright if a republican president were issuing executive orders to change ObamaCare? If Romney had won the 2012 election with the democrats still in control of the senate, Harry Reid would never have defunded, repealed, or reformed ObamaCare. It would have remained the law of the land for at least 2 more years. But what if Romney, without going through Congress, takes his pen and his phone and makes 28 changes to the law that favor the republican agenda. That would all be good, right?"

I think it would be good to get rid of the individual mandate. Or maybe just delay the implementation of ObamaCare permanently. Since Obama has set the precedent of deciding which federal laws he will and won't uphold -- and he even alters them at will -- I'm sure you'll agree that a republican president should be able to issue an executive order to nullify ObamaCare.
mutt

Chillicothe, OH

#25644 Feb 17, 2014
Altered Reality wrote:
Again, you seem to have NO problem with the gubment's intrusion into people's personal lives, as long as they're enforcing YOUR sense of "morality" upon the unwashed masses. Why is that?
Oh right, the thuggish conservative double standard again. Sorry...
On the contrary, I don't care what individuals do, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else, and, in the case of minors, that they have their parent's consent. But, there's a difference between permitting a person to freely live his live and putting the govt's stamp of approval on it.
mutt

Chillicothe, OH

#25645 Feb 17, 2014
Canton wrote:
Fortunately, the "carnage" is limited to emailed propaganda Tea Bagger newsletters and have no standing in the real world. Wonder how much Bush's unpaid Medicare expansion cost? How about that unfounded war? Was that factored in?
I wonder if someone did a poll of Americans and asked if they thought Bush was to blame for the current state of our nation...Oh that's right. they did and we do.
You're not going to get me to defend Bush's reckless spending. He shouldn't have expanded Medicare to begin with, and he & Congress should have worked out some way to pay for both the wars.(Slashing spending on non-essential programs would have been a great place to start, as well as aid to countries that hate us.)

How much of Obama's $7 T in debt do you think has been unfunded?

I will say one thing in Bush's favor, though. The economic mess we're in was a result of democrat policies (accelerated by Clinton) that forced banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them. Bush and a couple others tried to warn Barney Frank that a collapse was coming, but Frank said there wasn't a pwobwem. When it all came tumbling down, Bush didn't whine and try to blame it on someone else. He took responsibility and tried to fix it. Obama, on the other hand, hasn't stopped whining since the day he took office.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#25646 Feb 17, 2014
mutt wrote:
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The only time the word "conservative" was used in that article, was when it mentioned House Speaker Joseph Gurney Cannon, a conservative Republican who was against literacy tests for immigrants in 1906.
Literacy tests, as well as poll taxes, were used by southern state legislatures full of DEMOCRATS for the purpose of disenfranchising blacks. Read this article to find out all about the exhaustive measures taken by southern democrats to keep blacks from voting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disfranchisement...
The tea partiers have the Dixiecrats as their legacy. They infested the Democrat Party with an agenda and tactics similar to the tea partiers who now infest the formerly grand old party. The Dixiecrats, whose agenda was were clearly racist, pushed state sovereignty as a vehicle to push their agenda. They never got over the loss of slavery to power their plantations economy by supplying a free labor force. Today's tea partiers continue to advance the Confederate's Civil War aim to destroy the US government.

Literacy test and poll tax strategies for sabotaging African American voting have been replaced by newer strategies such as voter ID laws and gerrymandering, which are no more subtle.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25648 Feb 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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So what are you getting at? He's only twice as honest as the liar of the year President?
Yet I don't look to Obama to get my news "facts". I wonder if America paid any price for Bush's lies? Oh, that's right. We paid in American soldiers' lives.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25649 Feb 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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That would be a good comment provided that you could show one state with voter-ID that discriminates against anybody. You can't. Voter-ID applies to everybody be they white, black, Hispanic, Catholic, Agnostic, straight, gay or whatever.
Racial discrimination with voter-ID is nothing more than a joker card the Democrats use when they want to have their way. Democrats rely on dead voters, illegal voters, and the uninformed voters. They can't win elections without these people. So they use this phony race card to try and draw enough sympathy to rally the troops.
Honest voting would kill Democrat leadership for many years to come. That's why they are so against Voter-ID.
Back up what you say, for once. We already know the odds of Limbaugh telling us the truth, so don't link to him with your dead voter claims. Also, we're not talking about the 1800's here.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#25650 Feb 17, 2014
mutt wrote:
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Really. Well, I can see why you wouldn't think the president's and Congress' job descriptions, as outlined in the Constitution, would be compelling evidence that Obama has overreached his authority. So, let's forget about that for now. You still haven't answered my question from the other day:
"Do you think it would be alright if a republican president were issuing executive orders to change ObamaCare? If Romney had won the 2012 election with the democrats still in control of the senate, Harry Reid would never have defunded, repealed, or reformed ObamaCare. It would have remained the law of the land for at least 2 more years. But what if Romney, without going through Congress, takes his pen and his phone and makes 28 changes to the law that favor the republican agenda. That would all be good, right?"
I think it would be good to get rid of the individual mandate. Or maybe just delay the implementation of ObamaCare permanently. Since Obama has set the precedent of deciding which federal laws he will and won't uphold -- and he even alters them at will -- I'm sure you'll agree that a republican president should be able to issue an executive order to nullify ObamaCare.
You insist in continuing to repeat the same “imperial president” script. I’m familiar with it in extreme detail, but as I’ve told you I don’t like to keep repeating my response to it. Please review it if you wish. I’ve said your “compelling evidence” is nothing more than your own interpretation.

I’ve already answered your question about the legitimacy of a president making executive decisions at his discretion to help orchestrate implementation of a program mandated by a new law. We agree that presidents can’t pass laws. Therein lies the difference. Let’s not confuse apples and oranges by interpreting the guided implementation process with passing legislation. It’ not the same thing.

Yet you go on to say.“I think it would be good to get rid of the individual mandate. Or maybe just delay the implementation of ObamaCare permanently.” You yourself are suggesting altering the implementation of the law. You justify this by asserting “Obama has set the precedent of deciding which federal laws he will and won't uphold -- and he even alters them at will” as though it were an established fact, apparently because it would be a convenience to your position. Finally, you then top that off by disingenuously opining “I'm sure you'll agree that a republican president should be able to issue an executive order to nullify ObamaCare,” knowing that I would not agree because it’s ridiculous. Again, presidents can’t pass laws. We both understand that.

The basis of our disagreement here is quite simple. You repeat the “imperial president” scrip, which I say is not an actual fact, but only your interpretation of actual fact.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#25653 Feb 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Why don't you post the link you refer to about Limbaugh, and then I can look it over?
This might be what Canton was referring to:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-...
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#25654 Feb 17, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
The last ones to use them were southern conservatives trying to disenfranchise black voters. Those "literacy tests" were made illegal by the Voting Rights Act of 1965.(This law was later affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test#Vo...
xxxrayted wrote:
Yeah, those Democrats back then were tricky alright.
mutt wrote:
Literacy tests, as well as poll taxes, were used by southern state legislatures full of DEMOCRATS for the purpose of disenfranchising blacks.
OK, both mutt & xxxrayted, you might have fooled me before, and had me thinking you might just be ignorant of history.

But, now I know you are well aware of the past, and just don't care. You continue to try to confuse people ignorant of our history with some outdated political labels.

Yes, there was a group of southern conservatives in the last century that wanted to keep the black man down. They believed in states rights, and they felt terribly put upon. Their world was changing, and they didn't like it.(Remind you of anyone?) They aligned themselves with the Democractic party, and that worked well for 100 years. That is, until the Democratic party finally rejected their racist views, and passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

In response, the Republicans instituted their "Southern Strategy", to pick up voters much like you...

"Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery before the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixiecrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.

The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon and Republican Senator Barry Goldwater in the late 1960s. The strategy was successful in winning 5 formerly Confederate states in both the 1964 and 1968 presidential elections. It contributed to the electoral realignment of some Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the Democratic Party. As the twentieth century came to a close, the Republican Party began attempting to appeal to black voters again, though with little success."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strateg...
Canton

Canton, OH

#25655 Feb 17, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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This might be what Canton was referring to:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-...
That's the one.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25656 Feb 17, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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And what have we paid with the trillions spent on the failed Socialism experiment that DumBama advanced?
Our solders offered their lives for this country and freedom across the world. Nobody forced them to do so. Also, Limbaugh does not run our government--DumBama does.
Now if you want to look at who promotes the most lies, why not look at MSMBC, CBS, CNN? You know, those failed news outlets that few watch anymore?
Bush claimed Iraq had nukes and made references to mushroom clouds. Said Iraq was responsible for the attacks on 9/11. Said Saddam was linked to Al Qaeda. Claimed "Mission Accomplished" when the war was far from over. All lies. A war based on false information that most of the world did not support. Cheney was still involved with Halliburton when they handed them no bid government contracts in Iraq. You are fine with our American soldiers dying for that, but feel absolute outrage over the idea of poor people getting health insurance. Strange how all of your personal ideas seem to always line up perfectly with big corporation agendas. I wonder why? I certainly don't agree with everything on the left, yet for some strange reason, all of your personal views match up exactly with a corporate agenda. Gee, what are the odds?
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#25657 Feb 18, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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And what have we paid with the trillions spent on the failed Socialism experiment that DumBama advanced?
Our solders offered their lives for this country and freedom across the world. Nobody forced them to do so. Also, Limbaugh does not run our government--DumBama does.
Now if you want to look at who promotes the most lies, why not look at MSMBC, CBS, CNN? You know, those failed news outlets that few watch anymore?
Folks like you, mutt,fantasy(la la) rants fit right perfectly with the group that believes that the sun revolves around the earth and Obama was responsible for the response to Hurricane Katrina. You can't make that up, it's in actual polls.
One of your idols Tucker Carlson made the statement right on air that young people shouldn't even be allowed to vote because they have a hard time choosing what to eat from a menu.
Yet blind partisan idiots like him and youand all the other nutjobs have no qualms and even think it's their patriotic duty to volunteer to be cannon fodder for the money grubbing military complex.
They also have no problem "Caging" the votes of overseas soldiers. Another GOP filthy vote squashing tactic.
They even resorted to a new low in Florida by running ads as Democrats but when you donated it went to the Republican party of low down filthy liars. They're getting desperate trying to raise funds outside of the core group of billionaires who are trying to buy this country. You won't hear but a faint peep about crap like that on FUXED UP News if you even hear a peep about it at all.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25658 Feb 18, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Why don't you post the link you refer to about Limbaugh, and then I can look it over?
OK, even though I asked you first, we have cleared up the FACT that Limbaugh is a liar. Now back up your claims like I asked you to in your original post. We both know where this is heading.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25659 Feb 18, 2014
"Democrats rely on dead voters, illegal voters, and the uninformed voters"-XXXRayted

Back that up with some links.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25660 Feb 18, 2014
Here's some facts for you...from a study showing 14 signs fascist regimes have in common.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/11/tea_party_ra...
Canton

Canton, OH

#25661 Feb 18, 2014
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/1...
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#25662 Feb 18, 2014
Canton wrote:
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OK, even though I asked you first, we have cleared up the FACT that Limbaugh is a liar. Now back up your claims like I asked you to in your original post. We both know where this is heading.
Limbaugh the liar has higher ratings than your favor news.

so what?

since when did your news tell the truth?

should we ask Dan Rather? Larry King? Wolf Blitzer? Matt Lauer?
Canton

Canton, OH

#25663 Feb 18, 2014
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/up...
Canton

Canton, OH

#25664 Feb 18, 2014
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uUotxjkcynw/ULQV0gl...

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