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Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door with personal invitations to convention

There are 168 comments on the Ohio.com story from Jul 12, 2013, titled Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door with personal invitations to convention. In it, Ohio.com reports that:

Jehovah's Witnesses will put forth a special effort in the coming weeks to knock on doors throughout Northeast Ohio and extend a personal invitation to its district convention.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Ohio.com.

jackie

Southampton, PA

#160 Sep 12, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you and the other theocratic warriors defending the organization, nanoanomaly, I take the two most important commandments in the bible seriously.
Of course the unconditional LOVE taught by the historical Jesus conflicts with your judgmental bloodbath theology of conditional love making your hateful behavior understandable.
I am doing what I was trained to do from the time I was born until I was cast out of the organization at the age of 28. The only difference is that now I really do have the TRUTH to share with humanity.
This is why I have been using this tagline that sums up the TRUTH that the historical Jesus tried to share to close my posts with most of the time here on topix:
"GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!"
The problem is that you have been taught to worship a graven image instead of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel that is at the heart of the message of the historical Jesus.
The OMNIPRESENT GOD you and your earthly masters reject is LOVE:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
This is why you and your fellow theocratic warriors are so mean and hateful here on topix. you have turned away from the TRUE GOD to follow Judge Rutherford and his god of conditional love derived from the pages of the occult novel, Angels and women.
And, nanoanomaly, the only reason I hid my profile comments is because of JW trolls that follow me to find information to use in later ad hominem attacks, like the LSD experience I was disfellowshiped for over 40 years ago that you JWs keep throwing up in a dishonest attempt to discredit my posts.
Now you wouldn't do something that despicable, nanoanomaly, would you ?
And another thing, nanoanomaly, Jesus taught us to LOVE our enemies.
You and your fellow followers on the other hand though are taught to hate your enemies.
The proof is in the many hateful posts that have been made attacking those who disagree with you and your fellow warriors.
This is why you are so fixated on the absurd idea that I hate the people in the organization. Your masters have taught you to hate so that all that you see is this hate reflected all around you.
Only someone consumed with the fear of a psychotic god can hate their neighbors as much as you do.
I'll go with Jesus and LOVE.
Have a good evening.
So why is the unloving cast in the lake of fire along with Satan and his demons?

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#161 Sep 13, 2013
El cacique wrote:
<quoted text>Is every bar a drinking party with outrageously loud music and bad people?.
Not to sound offensive. But, you must have not ever got out much.
One can physically put themselves in the most innocent looking of situations and have bad intentions.
But, i do know what you mean and i appreciate your post.
I want to thank you for posting.

I also thank you for the kind spirit for it is always welcome.

If you knew me you would understand I know full well (first hand) about the ugly side of life.

I realize the Devils best work in in among the SHEEP (saints / Christians), but we must be careful about where we go and who we hang around (1Cor.15:33).

Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus,(Eph.1:1)

If you want more bible info on this matter check out -

Pro 23:19 Hear thou, my son, and be wise, and guide thine heart in the way.

Pro 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:

Pro 23:21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

One of the most powerful verse in teh bible when it comes to drimking alcohol is found in -

Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pro 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

Pro 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.


There is a paperback book entitled "Bible Wines" by William Patton which you may be interested in for more information from a much smarter person than I.

For the most part a gathering of people may be a good thing, but the one thing which can help a nice gathering of people go sour fast is an intoxicant of some kind.

christiancourier.com

apologeticspress.org




Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#162 Sep 13, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you and the other theocratic warriors defending the organization, nanoanomaly, I take the two most important commandments in the bible seriously.
Of course the unconditional LOVE taught by the historical Jesus conflicts with your judgmental bloodbath theology of conditional love making your hateful behavior understandable.
I am doing what I was trained to do from the time I was born until I was cast out of the organization at the age of 28. The only difference is that now I really do have the TRUTH to share with humanity.
This is why I have been using this tagline that sums up the TRUTH that the historical Jesus tried to share to close my posts with most of the time here on topix:
"GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!"
The problem is that you have been taught to worship a graven image instead of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel that is at the heart of the message of the historical Jesus.
The OMNIPRESENT GOD you and your earthly masters reject is LOVE:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
This is why you and your fellow theocratic warriors are so mean and hateful here on topix. you have turned away from the TRUE GOD to follow Judge Rutherford and his god of conditional love derived from the pages of the occult novel, Angels and women.
And, nanoanomaly, the only reason I hid my profile comments is because of JW trolls that follow me to find information to use in later ad hominem attacks, like the LSD experience I was disfellowshiped for over 40 years ago that you JWs keep throwing up in a dishonest attempt to discredit my posts.
Now you wouldn't do something that despicable, nanoanomaly, would you ?
And another thing, nanoanomaly, Jesus taught us to LOVE our enemies.
You and your fellow followers on the other hand though are taught to hate your enemies.
The proof is in the many hateful posts that have been made attacking those who disagree with you and your fellow warriors.
This is why you are so fixated on the absurd idea that I hate the people in the organization. Your masters have taught you to hate so that all that you see is this hate reflected all around you.
Only someone consumed with the fear of a psychotic god can hate their neighbors as much as you do.
I'll go with Jesus and LOVE.
Have a good evening.
I am a new person to this thread, could you tell me which church you belong to presently?

You can send it to me by email on topix.com if you want.

or [email protected]

I do not want the location just the denomination to which you belong.


*On another note, sounds like you and I have taken the same trip once upon a time.

I wish you well.

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Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#163 Sep 13, 2013
Jehovas Witness wrote:
I'm a Jehova's witness that is baptized. We don't turn in how many hours we went to meetings we turn in how many hours we went preaching door to door. We are not obligated to do anything, if you want to go to our meetings you may and if you want to go out to service you can. We know that there are many lies out there in the world, but if you have never gone to our meetings then you don't truly know how we are. We are kind loving people. We always have different topics that are based on the bible every week. Off coarse there are some who aren't true Christians and those are the ones who committed crimes over and over and do not notice their mistakes.
We also do not make people pay for any of our publication our entire organization lives off of donations. We have ATM machines because some people want to donate money but only have some on their card.
Our organization is almost at 8 million and growing. We preach because we believe in Jehova'. And we go to meetings because we want to learn more. We have many publications based on the bible that are very interesting to read. We don't force anyone to do things they don't like.
Learn more of what? For over 60 years of attending meetings and assemblies I have never heard about the origin of the Bible or the Dead Sea Scrolls. So,what kind of Bible students are jw's? In 60 years I can tell you exactly what is going to be discussed at the meeting and the assemblies,go figure.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#164 Sep 13, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not defending them, just pointing out your lack of a "live and let live" attitude.[[,,...cut,,,...]
Didn't Jesus say to forgive, forgive, forgive.....
You're only hurting yourself with all this hate talk.
Your reading comprehension is pathetic.

Why don't you acquaint yourself with what is going on before mindlessly shooting off your mouth all the time?

I tried to explain to you that I do not hate people but I am concerned about all hate and fear based religions such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses with their bloodbath theology.

The belief system of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is a form of mental illness just like the belief systems of all the other 32000 or so sects of Christianity that have bought into the Roman Mithra based hoax. It just happens to be the one hate and fear based religion that I am most familiar with.

For the mental and spiritual health of humanity we all need to wake up to the insanity of primitive hate and fear based religions such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses that keeps humanity fragmented.

The teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses are harmful to society and they are harmful to families. It's apocalyptic teachings causes people to put their whole lives on hold to follow an incredibly selfish dream of a paradise gained by the slaughter of 99.97 percent of humanity which is supposed to happen any day now!

The organization encourages pedophilia by it's absurd priorities. It Causes needless deaths due to the misunderstanding of scripture on Blood and ignorance of the cultures the scriptures specifically address.

Stress levels and suicides are high in the organization because of the harsh judgmental teachings that keep changing. The list goes on and on.

Would it be live and let live to simply walk on by while your neighbor's house is on fire?

If I can be instrumental in waking up one person here on topix, my time will have been well spent.

I won't be answering any more of your trolls nanoanomaly. This is mainly for the lurkers anyway. I doubt if you will even bother to read down this far.

But if you did perchance read down this far, you should consider giving up your life as a mindless troll and waking up to who you really are.

We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives, such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

( this phrase that I have used over 10,000 times in closing my posts is the totality of the real message of the historical Jesus and can be confirmed as true by simply practicing the two most important commandments in the bible in one's day to day life.)

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#165 Sep 13, 2013
Sosthenes wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a new person to this thread, could you tell me which church you belong to presently?
You can send it to me by email on topix.com if you want.
or [email protected]
I do not want the location just the denomination to which you belong.
*On another note, sounds like you and I have taken the same trip once upon a time.
I wish you well.
Gospel Broadcasting Network
gbntv.org
Free DvDs
We're interested in your soul not your money.
I don't belong to any religion. I see the message of the historical Jesus as amazingly simple and in harmony with recent scientific findings that confirm the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel that most of so-called Christianity rejects.

I see most of what is called Christianity today as a hoax created by the Romans who murdered the historical Jesus, blamed it on the Jews, and replaced his simple and elegant truth with an amalgamation of primitive myths. The predominate myth is the Mithra figure worshiped by the Roman soldiers that replaced the historical Jesus in the Roman form of Christianity.

I know this is a lot for you to swallow and conflicts with what you have been taught but you can prove the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD for yourself if you want to:

Psalm 46:10 (New International Version)

"10 He says, "Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth."

It takes practice in learning to still the constant chatter of the linear brain. But with perseverance you can come to KNOW THE OMNIPRESENT GOD as your spiritual parent:

Genesis 1:27 (New International Version,©2010)

"27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them. "

Once you KNOW GOD as your parent you can begin to LOVE GOD.

You can't love whom you do not know.

The Roman hoax of Christianity is all about hate, fear, and control. It does not know LOVE:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

It is important to understand that true LOVE is unconditional and is ETERNAL.

The conditional love offered by false religions is not LOVE at all but rather a form of manipulation using hate and fear.

I usually close my posts with this tagline that expresses what can be said about the reality of our existence and is in complete harmony with the teachings of the historical Jesus:

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#166 Sep 13, 2013
jackie wrote:
<quoted text>
So why is the unloving cast in the lake of fire along with Satan and his demons?
If you study the history of the bible you will find that the book of Revelation was not even added to the Roman canon until the sixth century.

The early Christians accepted reincarnation. This teaching was outlawed by the Roman emperor Justinian in the year 553 over the objections of Pope Vigilius who had to go into hiding to save his life.

Once reincarnation was outlawed, The pagan hellfire belief was introduced and the book of Revelation was added to the Roman canon to help support this insane belief, again over the objections of the clergy.

Hellfire and eternal torture were created as a political tool to control a populace that would have been much more difficult to control if they believed in reincarnation. If we accept that reincarnation actually exists as the early Christians believed it does we can begin to grasp how unconditional LOVE works.

If we accept a god of hellfire we have a world gone mad as you can plainly see today with all of the different religions fighting each other and many people rejecting religion all together as just plain ridiculous!

Remember, Jesus was Jewish. He worshiped the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel. He taught that this GOD is LOVE.

LOVE and hellfire do not go together.

And conditional love is not LOVE at all but rather a tool of manipulation.

I hope this answers your question.

You can confirm everything that I have said for yourself. It was quite a shock for me to find out that what I thought was Christianity was a hoax perpetrated by the Roman empire to control it's citizens.

But if you consider the simple egalitarian truth of the historical Jesus you can see how true Christianity would be intolerable to a regime based on oppression and so the teachings of the historical Jesus had to be replaced to meet the needs of the empire in controlling it's subjects.

I have been ending most of my posts with this tagline that sums up the simple truth of the historical Jesus:

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
hMMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#167 Sep 13, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>Learn more of what? For over 60 years of attending meetings and assemblies I have never heard about the origin of the Bible or the Dead Sea Scrolls. So,what kind of Bible students are jw's? In 60 years I can tell you exactly what is going to be discussed at the meeting and the assemblies,go figure.
It is pretty hilarious.
Any person with half a brain knows they are "students" of Watchtower propaganda and nothing else.
When they actually have to debate the Bible they "know" next to nothing, and just start reciting the same stupidity over and over.
But they will leave every conversation bragging about their "witness" no matter how badly they were proven to be idiots.
Usually this results in a rousing reincarnation recited at a meeting, where much clapping is given.
The fact that what actually happened has little to do with the fairy tale given, is of no value to the congregation.
It is all about the pure fiction the WBTS wants regurgitated over and over.
It is a joke.

All Jehovah's Witnesses know it is okay to lie "to protect jehovah"

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#168 Sep 13, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
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The light of truth is the same today as it was when the early Christians had to accept Jesus as the only way to everlasting life.
Do not think you are safe and have salvation already, no one is saved until you survive the end of this world ruled by Satan the Devil.... you are either the children of Jehovah God or Satan in this world. 1John 3:10-12
2Corinthians 4:4
Then please explain these scriptures....

John 14
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

He has a place already prepared for us that believe in God and Jesus.

For God so loved the world
that he gave his one and only Son,
[that whoever believes in him shall not perish
but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world
to condemn the world,
but to save the world through him.
John 3:16-17

Those who believe shall not perish but have eternal life! He saved us with his blood.

John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

John 10:9 " I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

1 Corinthians 3:11 "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

1 John 5:12 "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

THAT YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!!!!
Pat

AOL

#169 Sep 13, 2013
1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

THAT YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!!!!

AMEN KAREN we can know that when we believe and follow Jesus we have been given eternal life as God promises us .God is not a liar and keeps his promises .
Pat

AOL

#170 Sep 13, 2013
God's word tells Christians to examine themselves to make sure we are in God's will
2Cor 13:5 (NIV) Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?

We are told

1 Corinthians 15:1-415 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures

1John 2:24 (NIV) See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

If a Christian follows what we have been instructed we have assurance that we have eternal life we need not wonder

AND WE ARE TOLD

Galatians 1:9
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.We are warned not to listen to another gospel .

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. If we follow these instructions and are sincerely making sure of our faith by examining ourselves against God's word we have the PROMISE of eternal life .If we find we have failed in some way we have an advocate in Jesus who will step up for us , a God willing to forgive us and get us BACK ON THE RIGHT PATH .

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#171 Sep 13, 2013
Pat wrote:
1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
THAT YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!!!!
AMEN KAREN we can know that when we believe and follow Jesus we have been given eternal life as God promises us .God is not a liar and keeps his promises .
AMEN!
Monkeymenot

United States

#172 Sep 13, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
So you are saying Jesus was lying when he was praying to his heavenly Father, Almighty God Jehovah, when he said that God hides the truth from people who think they are wise and know everything.
That is why only the meek and humble before Jehovah God are the ones that Jesus will accept as his subjects today.
The light of truth is the same today as it was when the early Christians had to accept Jesus as the only way to everlasting life.
Do not think you are safe and have salvation already, no one is saved until you survive the end of this world ruled by Satan the Devil.... you are either the children of Jehovah God or Satan in this world. 1John 3:10-12
2Corinthians 4:4
By believing in Jesus they think they are save and have nothing else to do but wait to be taken to heaven.they think is a guarantee just like the nation of Israel thought that they will always be God's chosen people.we know how that ended.

Sosthenes

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#173 Sep 13, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't belong to any religion. I see the message of the historical Jesus as amazingly simple and in harmony with recent scientific findings that confirm the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel that most of so-called Christianity rejects.
I see most of what is called Christianity today as a hoax created by the Romans who murdered the historical Jesus, blamed it on the Jews, and replaced his simple and elegant truth with an amalgamation of primitive myths. The predominate myth is the Mithra figure worshiped by the Roman soldiers that replaced the historical Jesus in the Roman form of Christianity.
I know this is a lot for you to swallow and conflicts with what you have been taught but you can prove the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD for yourself if you want to:
Psalm 46:10 (New International Version)
"10 He says, "Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth."
It takes practice in learning to still the constant chatter of the linear brain. But with perseverance you can come to KNOW THE OMNIPRESENT GOD as your spiritual parent:
Genesis 1:27 (New International Version,©2010)
"27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them. "
Once you KNOW GOD as your parent you can begin to LOVE GOD.
You can't love whom you do not know.
The Roman hoax of Christianity is all about hate, fear, and control. It does not know LOVE:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
It is important to understand that true LOVE is unconditional and is ETERNAL.
The conditional love offered by false religions is not LOVE at all but rather a form of manipulation using hate and fear.
I usually close my posts with this tagline that expresses what can be said about the reality of our existence and is in complete harmony with the teachings of the historical Jesus:
GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
You sure can use those fifty-cent words well.

Those who please God glorify Him in the church (Eph.3:21).
Jesus shed his blood to purchase the church (Acts 20:28)
Only the saved are added to the church (Acts 2:36-47)
There is yet but one church (or body)(1Cor.12:20)
The body is the church (Eph.1:22,23)(Col.1:18,24)
Jesus is the Saviour of only one church (Eph.5:23)(Rom.16:16)
No one outside the church will be saved (1Thess.1:7-9)(2Thes.2:10-12)

This info above proves the church is important and necessary for salvation. It worries me that you think you can make it to heaven without being in the church. I do mean "the church" for the bible only speaks of one church and it was established in (Acts 2) on the day of Pentecost some 2000 years ago. Any church which began later than this is not the church of the bible and will not save anyone. Most the churches have been established from the 1500s onward. Only the Roman Catholic Church is left and it is not the church of the bible for it is not mentioned once in the word of God. And it surely does not match the pattern of the NT church.


Would you please explain to me more about the following?

Grndpa ...- the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel that most of so-called Christianity rejects".

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#174 Sep 13, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your reading comprehension is pathetic.
Why don't you acquaint yourself with what is going on before mindlessly shooting off your mouth all the time?
I tried to explain to you that I do not hate people but I am concerned about all hate and fear based religions such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses with their bloodbath theology.
The belief system of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is a form of mental illness just like the belief systems of all the other 32000 or so sects of Christianity that have bought into the Roman Mithra based hoax. It just happens to be the one hate and fear based religion that I am most familiar with.
For the mental and spiritual health of humanity we all need to wake up to the insanity of primitive hate and fear based religions such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses that keeps humanity fragmented.
The teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses are harmful to society and they are harmful to families. It's apocalyptic teachings causes people to put their whole lives on hold to follow an incredibly selfish dream of a paradise gained by the slaughter of 99.97 percent of humanity which is supposed to happen any day now!
The organization encourages pedophilia by it's absurd priorities. It Causes needless deaths due to the misunderstanding of scripture on Blood and ignorance of the cultures the scriptures specifically address.
Stress levels and suicides are high in the organization because of the harsh judgmental teachings that keep changing. The list goes on and on.
Would it be live and let live to simply walk on by while your neighbor's house is on fire?
If I can be instrumental in waking up one person here on topix, my time will have been well spent.
I won't be answering any more of your trolls nanoanomaly. This is mainly for the lurkers anyway. I doubt if you will even bother to read down this far.
But if you did perchance read down this far, you should consider giving up your life as a mindless troll and waking up to who you really are.
We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives, such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!
GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
( this phrase that I have used over 10,000 times in closing my posts is the totality of the real message of the historical Jesus and can be confirmed as true by simply practicing the two most important commandments in the bible in one's day to day life.)
There are exactly 12 people observing this forum as of 1 minute ago, so you're not reaching any audience that cares about your message. The few people who are here, now, already have their personal ideologies solid in their minds and are not swayed by your comments. Those who are JWs will go away from here as Jws and those who are not will leave as they came also.

You influence nobody here. Nobody.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#175 Sep 13, 2013
Sosthenes wrote:
<quoted text>
You sure can use those fifty-cent words well.
[,,...cut,,,...]
Would you please explain to me more about the following?
Grndpa ...- the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel that most of so-called Christianity rejects".
Thank you for your concern, Sosthenes. However your cosmology is not the same as mine.

In answer to your question, The OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel is at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus. The Nation of Israel had accepted the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD long before Jesus was born and still does to this day.

Here is an excellent site discussing the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel:

http://www.jewfaq.org/g-d.htm

Most of Christianity has rejected this GOD and have followed various primitive imaginary gods of conditional love such as the pagan triune god of the Roman Catholic Church, the church who started the whole hoax of Christianity in the first place.

If you really want to know in depth the simple truth of the historical Jesus consider that the only scriptures he ever used were the Hebrew Scriptures. The Greek Scriptures would not be written until many years after his death.

All the historical Jesus taught was an enlightened form of Judaism based on our relationship with the OMNIPRESENT GOD.

And your concern about reaching heaven is based on a mistranslation of the word which in Aramaic denoted a state of consciousness., This is also how I define heaven, as a state of consciousness we can all experience, as did the early Christians.

I consider the historical Jesus to be a mystic who was murdered by the Romans, the murder was blamed on the Jews, and his simple and delightful truth was replaced with an amalgamation of primitive myths, predominately the Mithra myth. This was all done to protect the interests of the Roman empire. The empire is gone now but sadly, people are still protecting it.

Remember, Jesus was a Jew and worshiped the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel. The belief in Jesus as a god-man who died for our sins is derived from the pagan Mithra myth favored by the Roman warriors.

The Roman version of Christianity has nothing to do with a Jewish Messiah. The Jewish definition of a Messiah is much different than the one used by the Romans for their version of Christianity.

In Judaism we are all created in GOD's image! MALE and FEMALE! A Messiah simply demonstrates that this is so! A true Messiah is nobody special!

All of this can be proven. The historical facts are available if you care to do the research for yourself.

I appreciate the time and effort you put into trying to present an argument.

And I don't want to appear unkind, but all of your proofs are based on circular reasoning.

Consider the scripture I quoted in my earlier post. This is a scripture that does not ask you to have blind faith in what it says but provides you a with a simple method to become aware of the OMNIPRESENT GOD and your relationship with this GOD. This method either works are it does not work. Many people besides myself insist that it does work.

To KNOW GOD is an experiential form of knowledge. It can not be found in any book. At best a book can only point the way. But once you have experienced the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD no further proof for the reality of GOD or your own existence is needed.

This is what true Mysticism is all about. Knowing GOD as your parent. You can't do this if you worship a pagan image as most Christians today do.

Wake up to the wonderful reality of your being, Sosthenes, you won't be disappointed!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

Sosthenes

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#176 Sep 14, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Thank you for your concern, Sosthenes. However your cosmology is not the same as mine.
In answer to your question, The OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel is at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus. The Nation of Israel had accepted the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD long before Jesus was born and still does to this day.
Here is an excellent site discussing the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel:
http://www.jewfaq.org/g-d.htm
Sorry It would not allow me to post along with all your post.
I erased part of it. I meant no harm.

*I guess you would say I am dabbling in replacement theology.

It sounds like to me you think man today can have a relationship with God through the OT Law, is this correct?

If I understand you correctly you place your "experience" above any doctrine I could point out in the New Testament. Is this correct?

The NT does tell man how to have a relationship with God in (1Jn 1:6-9).

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.(Jn 3:20)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.(Jn 14:15,21 ; 15:10,14)

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#177 Sep 14, 2013
Sosthenes wrote:
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Sorry It would not allow me to post along with all your post.
I erased part of it. I meant no harm.

[,,,,..... cut ,,,,.....]

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I don't mind you cutting to make room, I do it all the time
( including this post :)). One can always refer back to the post and the one you are replying to knows what you are talking about.

(I still tend to be long winded, but I'm working on it :))

As to your question about the Old testament. I only refereed to the Hebrew Scriptures and the historical Jesus because there is a grain of truth scattered throughout the bible as there is in all of the great spiritual traditions.( the so called new testament is another story and although there are some quotes that are allegedly from Jesus that ring true, most of it is pagan nonsense injected into the Roman version of Christianity to make it more palatable to the Roman populace who was used to a pantheon of gods.

But like all other works of men, the bible falls short of describing what is simply because what is can not be described.

Now as to the word "theology", you will notice under my avatar here on topix the phrase "Mystical atheism for everyone"

Now you might think this a contradiction in terms.

But if we break down the word "theology" we find it simply means the study of GOD.

You can't study GOD! It is impossible! Words can not even begin to describe the infinite complexity of what is!

Anything that can be put down in words in an attempt to define GOD is going to be a graven image!

So all theology can ever be ultimately is the study of graven images!

When you begin to study the Hebrew Scriptures in depth you will find interwoven within the genealogy and royal vanity press, the wisdom that can actually be stated in words that will lead you on the narrow path to accurate experiential knowledge of GOD. First we need to establish what we mean when we use th word "GOD".

In Deuteronomy 6:4-30 we read:

"4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

In the precise translation of the word "ekhad" in this passage scholars argue as to it's meaning. Some say it means as “one”, some say it means “alone.

Based on my personal meditation and contemplation I would have to say it means both and much more. It simply means the totality of what is. In other words GOD is all that exists, all that is real. This is reflected in the name that GOD revealed to the nation of Israel on Mount Sinai through Moses.

In ancient Israel a name was very important. A person's name was a reflection of who they were.

There is a lot of confusion about the name of GOD. If names define a person, what name would define GOD?

Logically since Jesus was born into a Jewish family, attended the synagogue, and went on to be a rabbi (teacher), he would have taught about our relationship with the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel.

There is only one place where the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel's name is mentioned in the entire bible.

This is in Exodus 3:13-15 (King James Version):

"13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

The name "I AM THAT I AM" is the only logical phrase in any language on Earth that could accurately be applied to an OMNIPRESENT GOD. This is why the tetragrammaton is so important.

(to be continued in next post )

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#178 Sep 14, 2013
( continued from previous post )

Knowing the correct name of GOD and what it describes is an essential pointer on the path to understanding who we are in GOD.

As it states in one of the few accurate statements in the New Testement at Acts 17:28 (New International Version,©2010)

"28 For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, "We are his offspring"

There is no place else for us to be, GOD is all that exists! GOD alone is real!

And contrary to what fundamentalist Christians teach this applies to all of humanity!

We are all created in GOD'S image, male and female! Even the unloving, the hateful, and the ungodly.

Evil is a disease we need to cure and killing the patient is not a cure! We won't have a paradise until we solve this problem realistically!

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#179 Sep 14, 2013
Honesty wrote:
<quoted text>Can you disprove their claims or are you going to speak out your ass
Should we use your own words to disprove this claim?
the one where you say 7 million people will live through Armageddon, because only Jehovah's people will survive?

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