Coach Cindy Wiseman
haha

Farmington, MO

#1 Jan 6, 2010
I personally do not like Cindy she doesn't know how to coach and she is pregnant again. The school board really needs to find a coach that can work with them this coming up year because there is major potential in Lorie Vangennip and Emily Merick. I know Lorie is Cindy's neice but thats a reason why. I have had people from other schools come and tell me she favors her family over every other player she has, and I agree. The person that everybody needs to watch is Emily Merick. All she needs is a good setter now and she will be good.
Cody

United States

#2 Jan 7, 2010
You seem to think quite highly of Emily Merick - you wouldn't by any chance BE a Merick, would you?=)

I haven't seen the junior high play yet, but I'm sure I'll come to a few of their games to see what Cindy has to work with next year. I'm hoping they have enough for two teams next year, and unless something changes, they're already going to be short on numbers with seven on varsity and from what I can count, just barely enough (six) on junior varsity next year assuming Savannah, Krysta and Jenny play. Emily Merick is tall so her height is a definite advantage. Same goes for Emily Davis. I think Mikayla Marler is pretty tall, too, and that is always a plus in volleyball. I'm old and have been out of high school for too long to know what other girls are playing on the junior high team.

I disagree with your opinion that Cindy favors her nieces over the other players. If anything else, she is harder on her nieces than any of the other players, so if that's what you mean by your opinion that she favors them, then I guess you're right. I do wish she were as tough on the rest of the girls as she is on Torie and Lorie, but I think she's afraid of what the parents will say if she's too tough on them, to which I would tell the parents if I were in her situation that she's the coach and if they don't like the way she is coaching them then they need to go to school and get their own coaching certification and become a coach. Tough coaches produce results. The name Carl Ritter comes to mind here. Ask any of those girls who played on his state teams in the early 90s if he was easy/nice on them. He pushed those girls and made them work extra hard and it got them multiple banners in the gym with their names proudly displayed. If the girls really want to go to state next year (which I know they can if they really want it), they're going to have to work twice as hard as they did last season so they can beat Leopold and win Districts and then go on to Sectionals and fight their way to state. Lesterville, the defending Class 1 state champions, is going to be tough to be at Sectionals though! I'd have at least three-hour practices instead of one to two hour practices, and weekend practices too, but once again, I'm not the coach. I'd also have private practices as well and work individually with each girl to give them the one-on-one attention they need and help them work on their weaknesses and work out their strengths.

Cindy must be a good coach to have her varsity team post an impressive 20-10 record last season and I'm not just saying that because she's my friend. I've been with the volleyball program at Zalma for a long time, and I don't think any other team since those teams in the early 90s has won 20+ games at the varsity level. I know my senior year, the junior varsity that my sister played on had a 20-7 record, but the transitioning from JV to varsity is quite different. If anything, that year Chelsea and those girls beat Leopold four times and then once those girls moved up to varsity, Leopold beat them five times.

Thanks for starting a discussion on volleyball though, "haha." I'm definitely looking forward to watching the junior high team this year and ready for high school volleyball season to start! Go Lady Bulldogs!
guest

United States

#3 Jan 8, 2010
Did anyone ever stop to think that the reason Zalma has not been as strong in vball as they were in past years could be because 1) the love of the sport, 2)Parents gripe to much about their kids not getting to play so the school finds another coach. How many coaches has zalma had over the past few years. You have to get someone in there that is going to make the girls work hard and push them passed their limits. I agree with cody, look at what Ritter Jr. and Ritter Sr. did for their teams. Leave Cindy alone, she is doing a fine job coaching those girls. Zalma needs to step up and support their staff and quit giving in to every parent that comes crying to the board bc their kid dont get to play, well its probably because they suck!!!!!!!
And about her being pregnant, thats noones business but hers and her husbands and has nothing to do with her coaching abilities. If they want 10 more then who cares. Babies are a blessing from God. At least her babies are being raised in a stable household with 2 parents that love them very much.

Leave her alone and let her do her job!!!!
oh by the way, why do you let her family know you are talking about her, see what they have to say about it.
zalman

Farmington, MO

#4 Jan 8, 2010
I totally agree with Cody and "guest" i love Coach Wiseman as a coach. i respect her desisions and i believe the sisters work amazing together
Joe DiMaggio

Columbia, MO

#5 Jan 11, 2010
I will say this. If the administration thinks she is doing a good job, that's all that really matters. Parents should have no say in whether a coach stays or go's when it comes to wins and losses. Only if they do something inapropriate(spelling). Once you start letting parents say whether a coach should stay or go b/c of who plays and wins and losses you're just asking for a mess.
As for her coaching abilities, she is not very good. The team had a good season, but they also had a lot of talent. Her two nieces should play, they are better than anyone on the bench, they look like they work very hard, enough said. To me it just looks like she yells a lot about their mistakes, there is no coaching. You can yell and coach, and then you can just yell and that is what she does. She does a good job of motivating the girls and they play hard, but they don't make adjustments and i really haven't seen a lot of improvement with the girls. Players for the most part are going to get better as they get older, but you can increase that improvement, and I have not seen that.
I'm not a person who thinks a coach should not yell, as it is important to motivate your players. But all she does is yell, and again it's just yelling at them about what they have done wrong. I never see her tell them what they should do differently, as with position on the court or technique. Sometimes just being relaxed and just talking to your players can do so much more than yelling. By being relaxed and just explaining what you need to do to win, shows your players that you are not concerned and that they just need to do stuff a little different.
If you disagree with that last statement, go watch some bell city games. I've never heard their coach say a word from where i'm sitting. She always seems relaxed, as though everything is in hand and we just need to change a few things. She has been extremely successful.
Cody

Fredericktown, MO

#6 Jan 11, 2010
Joe DiMaggio, I agree with most of what you said. Yeah, the team did have a relatively good season this year (20-10). Could have been better but eh, what can you do? I think the reason Cindy yells at them during games is because, like any coach, she doesn't like to lose, and she knows the girls can play much better than when they are getting yelled at. The problem with these girls is that their mentality needs changed. They go into games thinking they're either going to win or they're going to lose, and that's exactly what happens 99.9% of the time. Sometimes they're beat before they even walk onto the court. You can see this in their faces when they play Leopold. I will say that they definitely played their best games against Leopold this year despite losing to them three times this season but the scores were always close, but I've noticed as a scorekeeper/volunteer coach whatever you want to call me that when they play a team that they think is tougher than they are like Leopold, Bell City or a bigger school up at the SEMO Classics, they go into the game thinking that they're going to lose so they don't even try to win. That's probably why Cindy yells at them so much. Then you have when they play weaker teams like Marquand and Oak Ridge and Greenville they go into these games thinking that they can play like crap because they'll still win, and when they do this, they almost lose. As sad it is sounds, we almost lost to Marquand TWICE this season, and Marquand hasn't won a single game in volleyball in over five years. Did you watch the Greenville game this year when we played like crap and Cindy made them stay after and practice? That's what she needs to do after every game that they lose or play like crap. These girls just need to build up a better mentality if they want to go state next year, because I know with a lot of work, they can. They've proven this past season that they can compete with the best around here - giving Leopold really close matches and then they defeated state-ranked Bell City 25-23, 25-20 in their opening home match this season. You bring up Bell City's coach, Erin Hoffman, and I agree. She is definitely one of the best coaches around here. She's done great things at Bell City and was a great coach up at Meadow Heights as well, and yes, she is very calm, cool and collected as a coach. I've never heard her scream or yell at any of her players, either. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the night they lost to us, they had a tough practice that night or the day after. You could see it in her face that night. She didn't scream or holler at her team but you could tell just by looking at her face that she was POed. Erin is a great coach and a nice person as well. It's no wonder Bell City always produces some of the best and toughest volleyball teams around here.

As for Cindy's nieces, let me just say a word about one of them, the younger one Lorie. As the only freshman on the team, Lorie gets the Spirit Award from me this year and I'll tell you why. Being the only freshman starting on varsity is a lot of pressure that you feel from the community and your teammates, but Lorie proved to be a valuable asset to the team this year. At the Marquand game before the SEMO Classics, she fell and did something to her ribs (I think she bruised them really badly) but the next days at the SEMO Classics when the rest of our girls were playing so crappy and acted like they didn't even want to be out there playing, little Lorie with her bruised ribs and feeling as bad as she did was falling all over the floor and chasing after balls left and right while the rest of the girls were just standing around. It's dedication like this that wish all of our girls had. If all of the girls on the team had about half of Lorie's dedication, then there's no doubt in my mind that they would have went to State. Just sayin'.
Tina

Farmington, MO

#7 Jan 17, 2010
Lories ribs weren't bruised
Cody

United States

#8 Jan 17, 2010
Tina wrote:
Lories ribs weren't bruised
Yes, they were. I was there at the SEMO Classics when her parents took her to the hospital and the girls were still playing in the tournament when they came back from the hospital and her parents said that she bruised her ribs really badly. Either way, the point I was trying to make is that it just shows how dedicated little Lorie was/is to have been hurt so badly to the point of tears but she was still hustling and fighting harder than all of the other girls out there on the court who had their heads shoved so far up their butts - it was pathetic, but Lorie definitely gets the Spirit/Dedication/Hustle Award from me. She was like that at every ballgame this season: always seemed as though she wanted to be out there and always gave it her all, even against tougher and bigger schools. As a freshman, I think this says a lot about her.
Tina

Farmington, MO

#9 Jan 18, 2010
they werent bruised. She was trying to get attention she just hit herself in the wrong spot. Ive heard it all before. Yes, she is a freshman but also look at who the coach is. Her aunt. Yes Cindy doesnt always favor the nieces but she doesnt push everybody as hard as she does her family. Lets just wait and see when they graduate and who sees who gets to play volleyball in college. this is just my opinion
family

Jackson, MO

#10 Jan 18, 2010
Lories ribs were bruised, im sure Betsy can show you the ER report if its that important. Curt was the one who took her to the ER that day.
And if they are that good of players, why did Carl Ritter call and ask them to be on his USAV team.

Tina...Jealous Much?????
family

Jackson, MO

#11 Jan 18, 2010
supposed to be "if they are NOT that good of players"
Cody

United States

#12 Jan 18, 2010
Hm, well her parents and the doctors must have been lying, then, because that's what we were told was that she bruised her ribs. Knowing Lorie, she wouldn't have tried to get attention by faking an injury. She's above that. She would try to get attention by being the best player on the court, giving it her all, so by putting herself on the injured list would have gotten her sympathy but not attention.

How do you know Cindy doesn't push the rest of the players like she does her nieces? Did you go to all of their practices this season? My guess would be no. If you had, you would have seen where Cindy treated all of the girls equally and pushed all of them to reach their full potential. Just ask any of the varsity players this year how many times she yelled and screamed at them in practice when they were slacking off or not playing up to their full potential.

As for college ball, that doesn't necessarily make for a better or worse athlete. How many girls from Zalma have played college volleyball lately? I can only count one: Amber Buehler. Erika Campbell and Carrie Pixley were just as good of players as Amber. Just because they didn't play college volleyball doesn't make them any less better of or less dedicated of a volleyball player as Amber. Look at all the talent in volleyball that Zalma has had over the recent years: Carlye Burchett, all the Pixley sisters, the Hovis sisters, the Fish sisters, my Chelsea, Jerica Rogers, just to name a few. None of these girls played college volleyball but they were the best of the best at Zalma when they played. Many of them played club volleyball or USAV while they were in high school, too. Torie and Lorie are both playing on a USAV team coached by Carl Ritter after HE called them. The Fish sisters and Chelsea also played on a USAV team coached by Ritter, too. That's pretty impressive if you ask me. Chelsea is playing on a city league in Cape (co-ed) right now alongside Carrie Hovis and yours truly. Lesta is playing on a club team up in Jackson. Mary Kay Hovis is the coach at Woodland.

Just because you don't play volleyball in college doesn't mean you don't love the sport of volleyball or doesn't make you a better or worse player.
Roger and Betsy VanGennip

United States

#13 Jan 19, 2010
Tina wrote:
Lories ribs weren't bruised
How do you know Lorie's ribs were not bruised? Were you at the hospital ER when the doctor came in and told her Uncle Curt Wiseman and myself ( her mother) what was wrong with her. I think not. There were 3 people in that room: Curt Wiseman, Betsy VanGennip and the doctor. It is a shame that you can mouth off about stuff you THINK you know about and cannot even put your full name to the accusation. Please reply with full name
Tina

Farmington, MO

#14 Jan 19, 2010
I have heard from a few people she didnt bruise her ribs. I have known these people for a few years and they said more than likely she did not thats why I said that. Im sorry for the wrong mistake by trusting my friends.

sorry for the remarks
Roger and Betsy VanGennip

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Jan 20, 2010
Tina wrote:
I have heard from a few people she didnt bruise her ribs. I have known these people for a few years and they said more than likely she did not thats why I said that. Im sorry for the wrong mistake by trusting my friends.
sorry for the remarks
It might be wise to get information correct before you start broadcasting information. That is slander
Concerned

Columbia, MO

#16 Jan 21, 2010
why would a coach play someone with bruised ribs in the first place? In a game like volleyball where you need to lift your arms up and DIVE on the floor, why would you take a chance with a kid's health like that. Come on Coach, be the adult and realize that winning isn't everything. What would have happened had she fallen on them again, and cracked or caused a fracture. Whether she wanted to play or not, and whether her parents wanted her to play or not means nothing. YOU should have been the voice of reason and let her get healthy before you put her back on the court. W

Whether you can coach or not is irrelevent, doing something as playing a kid with bruised ribs should be enough for the board to consider finding someone who can make rational decisions with the students at the school.
Concerned

Columbia, MO

#17 Jan 21, 2010
Last paragraph should read

Whether you can coach or not is irrelevent, doing something as STUPID as playing a kid with bruised ribs should be enought for the board to consider finding someone who can make rational decisions with the students at the school.
family

Jackson, MO

#18 Jan 21, 2010
Seriously?????
I would really love to know where you people get your information.
Lorie did not play for like 5 games, and the "COACH" did not allow her to play until the dr said she could. Apparently none of you have no clue what went on so maybe this topic should be dropped.
People get a life and stop trying to ruin a 15 year olds rep by spreading rumors. GOOD GREIF!

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