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#45 Jan 16, 2011
member019 wrote:
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No, you are Saved by grace, not of works...so says the bible. We are not obedient because we "must" be as you say, but we are obedient out of love and gratefulness for God's gift. The book of Galatians was written by Paul to those in the church who struggled with God's grace. They had a hard time believing that they were saved by grace not obedience.
here is another line that might seem appropriate .

I believe we should use doctors when needed and that we need them less when we become acquainted with God. the church of the first born is not a cult. it is gods church(Christ) we are in Christ and Christ is Gods. the doctrine must be taught with both knowledge and understanding. not always previous teachings. the church is made new each time a person is baptized, and the scriptures must be taught by the best possible means.such as was the apostle Paul both educated and spiritual.

Romans 6:15-17 (King James Version)

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

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#46 Jan 24, 2011
bobfish40 wrote:
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did you not read line 17??
17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them THAT OBEY NOT the gospel of God?
You had previously stated that "it is obvious that we must be obedient". When you say that, it appears that you are saying that salvation comes from obedience. The bible says that salvation is God's grace and that it is a gift, not of works (Ephesians). A GIFT from God. "Line 17" does not say that we must be obedient to be saved. Rather when considered with what other parts of the bible say, it becomes obvious that we are expected to be obedient, because we are saved, not that we are to be obedient to be saved.

A subtle but very important difference.

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#47 Jan 24, 2011
bobfish40 wrote:
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here is another line that might seem appropriate .
I believe we should use doctors when needed and that we need them less when we become acquainted with God. the church of the first born is not a cult. it is gods church(Christ) we are in Christ and Christ is Gods. the doctrine must be taught with both knowledge and understanding. not always previous teachings. the church is made new each time a person is baptized, and the scriptures must be taught by the best possible means.such as was the apostle Paul both educated and spiritual.
Romans 6:15-17 (King James Version)
15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
I have no idea if the Church of the First Born is a cult or not. But I do know the bible says God is love and it is not loving at all to let a child die when it could be easily prevented.

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#48 Mar 26, 2011
The State of Oregon has had enough of needless child deaths...don't take your child to a doctor in life threatening situations, and if the child dies, then risk twenty-fives year in prison for murder...

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/...
Kelsey Supporter NJ

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#49 Mar 26, 2011
member019 wrote:
The State of Oregon has had enough of needless child deaths...don't take your child to a doctor in life threatening situations, and if the child dies, then risk twenty-fives year in prison for murder...
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/...
Do you know Erica Halfpenny she lives in Oregon and practices some sick church stuff and someone called Amber who's kid name is Vanessa lives out there also kinda sick people.

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#50 Mar 26, 2011
LouisianaSwampDweller wrote:
All religions are cults!They all are made up stories just to keep people feeling safe and needed in a world so large and unpredictable.CHRISTIANS USED TO KILL PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THE EARTH REVOLVED AROUND THE SUN.THE OLD BIBLES PREACHED THAT THE SUN REVOLVED AROUND THE EARTH... You jesus people need to look at the truth in your beliefs...drink the blood and eat the body of christ? THATS CANNIBALISM!....-The virgin mary? YOU WISH SHE WAS A VIRGIN!....jesus came back from the dead? THAT WOULD MAKE HIM A ZOMBIE!.....AND i LOVE HOW PEOPLE BELIEVE they will go to a world beyond life and live happily everafter in the clouds with god.......ALL YOU BRAINWASHED PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT SOONER OR LATER WHEN YOU DIE YOU ROT AND DECOMPOSE INTO NOTHING AND YOU NEVER EXIST AGAIN!!! DEATH IS BLACKNESS FOR ALL ETERNITY...THERE IS NO HELL EITHER YOU UNKNOWLEDGABLE WORTHLESS CREATURES OF THE LORD! HAHAHAAAAAHAA
Someone is angry and crazy, next time look up your facts before saying anything crazy man.
Fred Buck

United States

#52 Jul 4, 2011
self interest and insurance blood money
bec

Lockhart, TX

#59 Apr 18, 2013
LouisianaSwampDweller wrote:
All religions are cults!They all are made up stories just to keep people feeling safe and needed in a world so large and unpredictable.CHRISTIANS USED TO KILL PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THE EARTH REVOLVED AROUND THE SUN.THE OLD BIBLES PREACHED THAT THE SUN REVOLVED AROUND THE EARTH... You jesus people need to look at the truth in your beliefs...drink the blood and eat the body of christ? THATS CANNIBALISM!....-The virgin mary? YOU WISH SHE WAS A VIRGIN!....jesus came back from the dead? THAT WOULD MAKE HIM A ZOMBIE!.....AND i LOVE HOW PEOPLE BELIEVE they will go to a world beyond life and live happily everafter in the clouds with god.......ALL YOU BRAINWASHED PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT SOONER OR LATER WHEN YOU DIE YOU ROT AND DECOMPOSE INTO NOTHING AND YOU NEVER EXIST AGAIN!!! DEATH IS BLACKNESS FOR ALL ETERNITY...THERE IS NO HELL EITHER YOU UNKNOWLEDGABLE WORTHLESS CREATURES OF THE LORD! HAHAHAAAAAHAA
first off that is your perception of what the church of the firstborn is u dont even know the people its not about not taking medicine when they r sick it about trusting in the almighty God and knowing that He will deliver you in all points of life
bec

Lockhart, TX

#60 Apr 18, 2013
member019 wrote:
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I have no idea if the Church of the First Born is a cult or not. But I do know the bible says God is love and it is not loving at all to let a child die when it could be easily prevented.
u dont understand Gods love that is why u dont understand the church of the firstborn

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#61 Jun 9, 2013
Hi...I'm continuing to be against doctrines of man in the church. such as thou shalt not use doctors or medication. I would not encourage anyone to use them in ignorance. The doctrine for the church is about bringing clarity to Romans 5:18.

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#62 Jun 21, 2013
bec wrote:
<quoted text> u dont understand Gods love that is why u dont understand the church of the firstborn
You judge me unfairly.

You appear to believe that God's love and your church building are the same thing. Do you worship God or a building?

If your child gets a cut you apply a bandage but get appendicitis and refuse care using the knowledge of man. That is hypocritical.

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#63 Jun 21, 2013
bobfish40 wrote:
Hi...I'm continuing to be against doctrines of man in the church. such as thou shalt not use doctors or medication. I would not encourage anyone to use them in ignorance. The doctrine for the church is about bringing clarity to Romans 5:18.
Bobfish if you share this view in your church of the Firstborn will you not be rejected?

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#64 Oct 11, 2013
member019 wrote:
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Bobfish if you share this view in your church of the Firstborn will you not be rejected?
probably. Mostly our cotfb does not like for me to say that God has chosen sons and daughters in many places and possibly in congregations which do not keep all of the specific ordinances in the baptism.
In my previous post when I say church I refer to the spiritual church not the carnal congregations. The chosen sons of God are like angels in that we can not know them when passing by in wal-mart. however we will know them in conversation because they will be testifying to the Gospel of Jesus Christ not the doctrine they were raised in from there childhood.
Jim Dukes

Palmer, AK

#65 Nov 17, 2013
Indoctrination of the young before the age of reason & willful ignorance of adult members creates a culture of fear, guilt & peer pressure. This does not allow most to question what they believe or more importantly why they believe. They tell themselves that they have faith in God, but in truth, their faith is actually in what they have been taught to believe by others who were taught to believe.

To say that members are free to doctor if they so desire is equal to saying a member of the KKK is free to date a black person. Of course the freedom exists, but the consequences are obvious. The larger problem is that parents make life and death decisions for their children based on these obvious consequences, all while utilizing optometrists and dentists for their own comfort.

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