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ABER

Lawton, OK

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#934
Feb 15, 2013
 
It's not the guns...it's more likely the increased RF EMF that are causing increased violence across the country and the world.
Can you emagine how crazy we'll be after our utility company finishes strong arming smart meters on every home in America ...and then "smart" appliances.
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/srep00312/ful...
Neurobehavioral disorders are increasingly prevalent in children, however their etiology is not well understood. An association between prenatal cellular telephone use and hyperactivity in children has been postulated
Here we demonstrate that fetal exposure to 8001900 Mhz-rated radiofrequency radiation from cellular telephones leads to behavioral and neurophysiological alterations that persist into adulthood.
Probably that's what's wrong with silly old war for oil and thomas a. Poor things.
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#935
Feb 18, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
Liberals aren't progressive. There is nothing progressive about aristocratic or bureaucratic control of people's lives.
Oklahoma is conservative.
Oklahoma kept prohibition until 1959 ( last in the nation ).
Point made.

You ( and Oklahoma ) need controlling.
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#936
Feb 18, 2013
 
ABER wrote:
it's more likely the increased RF EMF that are causing increased violence

Can you emagine how crazy we'll be after our utility company finishes strong arming smart meters on every home in America ...and then "smart" appliances.
You're right. RF EMF is the problem. Go out
and smash your smart meter now. Show 'em your
violence.

Then call the electric company and complain
your power is out and you don't know why.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#937
Feb 18, 2013
 
WarForOil wrote:
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Oklahoma is conservative.
Oklahoma kept prohibition until 1959 ( last in the nation ).
Point made.
You ( and Oklahoma ) need controlling.
Its becoming more and more clear. This isn't about energy savings, this is all about control. Liberals always want to reach out and help the poor and the uneducated by controlling them - their food, their health care, their education, their access to utilities.... All in the name of the "benevolent society"... all while they sit in their mansions on the hill behind fences and guards to separate them from the common people.

Study a little history, friend. It is a wonderful play while it lasts, but eventually the "common people" rise up against their masters. Study the Bolshevik Revolution, which plunged Russia into a Civil War from which they have never really recovered.

Technology has changed the way that the "Masters" wish to control the "Common" people, but its the same old refrain.

Your comments remind me of Napoleon of "Animal Farm". All men are equal except some are more equal than others..
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#938
Feb 18, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
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Liberals always want to reach out and help the poor and the uneducated by controlling them - their food, their health care, their education, their access to utilities.... All in the name of the "benevolent society"... all while they sit in their mansions on the hill behind fences and guards to separate them from the common people.

eventually the "common people" rise up against their masters.

Your comments remind me of Napoleon of "Animal Farm". All men are equal except some are more equal than others..
My, you're beginning to show some preception.
Stay away from the wall, peon.

The 'common people' are fools. Easily manipulated.
Masters always rule. Lenin was an elitist too, Dilbert.

Some are more equal, and some such as you aren't even counted.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#939
Feb 18, 2013
 
Your words speak against you, friend. Beware living in Texas. They don't take kindly to that kind of thinking.
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#940
Feb 18, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
Your words speak against you, friend. Beware living in Texas. They don't take kindly to that kind of thinking.
Says someone living in Okieland.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#941
Feb 18, 2013
 
Your kind isn't appreciated here either. We still value freedom and liberty and are not fond of snotty liberal control.

You are an incredible poster child for the SMART meter movement. Corporate arrogance, elitist mentality, and a disdain for anyone that doesn't share your Utopian view.

Everyone that visits this thread looking for the two sides of the SMART Meter debate will clearly be able to see that it is liberals like you that don't give a damn about the health, privacy or rights of US citizens. Its not about saving energy, it is about you being able to force your agenda on others, pollute everyone's environment, and spy on them from a distance.

How utterly pathetic.
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WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#942
Feb 19, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
We still value freedom and liberty and are not fond of snotty liberal control.

..... and spy on them from a distance.
Who cares is you're fond of control or not ?
You need controlling, since you haven't the
ability to make intelligent decisions or to be civil.

Keep looking over your shoulder. I'm certain
you see that distant spy someday.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#943
Feb 19, 2013
 
And of course, you are the sole judge of what comprises an intelligent decision or civility.

Funny thing, I have detected neither intelligence nor civility in your discussion on this board.

No wonder you are the SMART meter poster child.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#944
Feb 20, 2013
 
I watched a news report on CNN yesterday about a cyber hacking group, supposedly in China, that has been hacking US corporations, including utilities.

For all of you that said that utilities couldn't be hacked -- guess what -- they successfully hacked directly into several utility systems.

As I noted in this forum several hundred posts ago, a hacker doesn't necessarily have to hack the encrypted wireless transmission to gain access to the grid, they go in the back door through the corporation employees who have access to the database and controls.

SMART meters and the SMART grid system are NOT secure, and just make it too easy for someone to create havoc.

While I understand many of the financial benefits that the system provides, we now have a techno-monster on our hands.
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#945
Feb 20, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
While I understand many of the financial benefits that the system provides, we now have a techno-monster on our hands.
There is a device on the internet ( made in China of course )
that allows one to reprogram a smart meter and reduce one's
bill.

It's an established fact that all smart meters can be
shut down from satellite signals.

Truely, we have a techno-monster on our hands.

Smash your televison now before it turns on you too.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#946
Feb 20, 2013
 
WarForOil wrote:
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There is a device on the internet ( made in China of course )
that allows one to reprogram a smart meter and reduce one's
bill.
It's an established fact that all smart meters can be
shut down from satellite signals.
Truely, we have a techno-monster on our hands.
Smash your televison now before it turns on you too.
I don't know if you are stupid are being sarcastic.

The SMART meter has a mechanism that allows firmware updates to be delivered through the mesh. Once you have control of the firmware, you can insert about anything that you want into the code of the meters, including changing the way that electricity is calculated, or even to shut off the electricity.

The point is, friend, that if you control the central system through a corporate virus, you don't have to control the individual meters. The virus replicates through the standard mechanisms that have been put in place. That's how they always work.

Hacking is hacking. And I can guarantee that any failures in the system will be exploited.
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#947
Feb 21, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
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I don't know if you are stupid are being sarcastic.

The point is, friend, that if ........
You wouldn't know smart if it bit you, stupid
I expect you to know. Sarcasism is what everyone
around directs at you. Just continue to pretend
to yourself they're laughing at something else not
actually you.

Most nearly all my sarcastic comments are over your head.
Don't hurt yourself attempting to understand.

Don't ever ever ever call me friend. That really hurts.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#948
Feb 21, 2013
 
With such a caustic personality, you probably don't hear the term "friend" often.

Enjoy it.
Jerrie McGehee

Shawnee, OK

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#949
Feb 21, 2013
 
Having worked at OG&E for 12 years, the smart meters are good thing to have a around. As far as OG&E not caring for the reader meters that is FLAT false, in fact they were given priority in job interviews. It's true you cannot opt out, but why would you want to. I could go on and on, but I can tell I've already lost those who already against them, Jerrie
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#950
Feb 21, 2013
 
Jerrie McGehee wrote:
Having worked at OG&E for 12 years, the smart meters are good thing to have a around. As far as OG&E not caring for the reader meters that is FLAT false, in fact they were given priority in job interviews. It's true you cannot opt out, but why would you want to. I could go on and on, but I can tell I've already lost those who already against them, Jerrie
Hi Jerrie, welcome to the forum.

As an OG&E employee, you may have a biased viewpoint. I would ask you to keep an open mind and to read the concerns of many who have posted on this board.

These are the primary concerns:

Health concerns, since the RF emissions generated by the meters are rated as a carcinogen. At special risk are the unborn, the young, and those with suppressed immune systems, such as cancer patients. There are also reports of some people that allegedly are hyper sensitive to RF emission, just as some people are hyper sensitive to infrared (they are known as Albinos and cannot tolerate the wavelengths that most of us can)

Privacy - data that is collected is at a high resolution, making it possible to profile a household - what time they wake up, go to bed, go to work, and if they are on vacation. This is very sensitive information that - in the wrong hands - could be very dangerous. The only information that is safe is information that is not collected or stored.

Network risks - while the network itself is encrypted, the largest failure points and most vulnerable are the internal workings of the utility company and their data collection partners. Utilities have reportedly been hacked, and since the meters themselves are capable of being programmed in place, just like your computer or smart phone gets firmware updates, there is always the risk of a malicious update getting through the system and compromising it. Centralized systems have central failure points, with widespread consequences.

Property rights - just because a utility has the right to maintain their equipment doesn't give them the right to eminent domain to utilize private property for their business use. The mesh network used by OG&E passes information from one neighbor to the next, so my property is being utilized by the utility without permission or without recompense. If a TV station wants to put up a tower, they must get the land owner's permission and pay a lease fee. OG&E and violated that precedence. If the only use of the smart meter was between my property and OG&E's receiving station, then this would not be as problematical. The meter would not have to "fire" very often, but since my meter is used to pass along the information from all of my neighbor's meters, then it fires almost constantly.

On your property, do you have the right to tell a visitor that they must turn off their cell phone on your property, or do they have the inherent right to use their cell phone on your personal property. I hope you get the point.

There are many good reasons why citizens across the country are angry about the SMART meters. If you want one, because you don't care about the risks, then I think that it is great and you should be able to get one. But I don't believe that it is right for the utility company to force those that don't want them to get them.

Why is this such a difficult concept? There should be consumer choice. Meter readers have successfully done their job for the last several decades. I see no reason that they must suddenly be eliminated for those that do not wish to participate in the SMART meter program.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#951
Feb 21, 2013
 
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/vi...

This is the story of a local couple where the wife is hypersensitive to EMR (Electro Magnetic Radiation).

And the spokesperson's assertions are a blatant lie. The radiation absorbed by a person's body is cumulative, not instantaneous. You can turn off a cell phone or not use it if it bothers you. Within a 24 hour period of your smart meter being on nearly constantly (remember, it transmits not only your information but re-transmits all of your neighbor's information) your body is forced to absorb a lot of energy.

Its just like sunlight. You can take a walk across the street and it doesn't bother you, but if you were bombarded by sunlight 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, it would cause considerable damage to your body.

I am tired of OG&E's lies. They don't back up their assertions by science or data. A local EMR expert in Arkansas has measured the output and the energy absorption and it is several times average cell phone use. Remember, you use your cell phone only intermittently, and even heavy users turn it off at night. You can't turn your meter off.

I am not aware of any infants or fetuses that use a cell phone, but they are bombarded by SMART meter EMR constantly.

Call your state representatives and demand an inquiry. Several other states have an "opt out" program or have banned the meters entirely.

Here in OK we have let the utilities install the meters without any public comment, and the corporation commission has been complicit. Nothing more than the utility company lap-dogs.

When the actions of a utility impact the well-being of the citizens, then it is time for action.
WarForOil

Southlake, TX

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#952
Feb 22, 2013
 
smart_okie wrote:
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom /top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_9 908.shtml

This is the story of a local couple where the wife is hypersensitive to EMR (Electro Magnetic Radiation).
Excerpts from the FOX program:

"The first day that we got the smart meter, I became really dizzy," says Monique. She says her doctor diagnosed her with electromagnetic hypersensitivity, and in a written request insisted OG&E remove the Smith's smart meter.

"My wife-- her organs are attacked. She has nose bleeds, chronic weakness," says Billy.

"The smart meter itself is just a digital meter. It's not that much different from what customers had on their house before," says O'Shea. She says smart meters contain a little card that transmits data, allowing customers to track their electricity consumption down to 15-minute intervals, helping them save money.

"It puts out frequencies," says Billy.
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That's really rich. Look to FOX and some nearly "The first day that we got the smart meter, I became really dizzy," says Monique. She says her doctor diagnosed her with electromagnetic hypersensitivity, and in a written request insisted OG&E remove the Smith's smart meter.

"My wife-- her organs are attacked. She has nose bleeds, chronic weakness," says Billy.

"The smart meter itself is just a digital meter. It's not that much different from what customers had on their house before," says O'Shea. She says smart meters contain a little card that transmits data, allowing customers to track their electricity consumption down to 15-minute intervals, helping them save money.

"It puts out frequencies," says Billy.

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That's great. Look to FOX and some nearly illiterate Okies
for proof. Those same people including the interviewer
believe the earth is flat and the discovery of fire was a bad
idea.

Keep posting such scientific proof. It's a hoot.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

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#953
Feb 22, 2013
 
You don't have to be a genius to know you don't feel well.

It's your type that killed millions of people with cigarette smoke.

SMART meters should come with a warning from the surgeon general "Inhabiting your house after the installation of a SMART meter may cause cancer and other illnesses."

You want to hear stupidity? Look at the statement from the OG&E spokesman. "Its just a little card that transmits data". And she SHOULD know better.

With lies like that I expect her to run for office soon.

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