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Medicare for all would not make it solvent, it would bankrupt America just like Obamacare"
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You ignorant retarded dolt, yes it is by far more important dumbass and even if you taxed them 100% of their wealth it would not support that bullshit so quit being stupid. If you and your kind want people to have freebies then pay for it your self. It is never right to steal from one to give to another and especially if it destroys all. That's why our ancestors came here, to escape tyranny and legislated theivery.
Bankrupting America doesn't help anyone and in fact, destroy's everyone, the ultimate goal of you ignorant progressive retards.
NO THANKS, I will just keep mine, give them yours if you feel that strong about it!
The way the government is cutting medicare benefits I am shocked anyone would want it. No one seems to be worried about quality of care they maybe loosing if the government keeps screwing with the pay outs to the medical field. Now here is something I wonder about is if they can cut benefits to a government health plan which is Medicare what keeps them from doing the same with Obamacare and people going on the governments plan?
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<quoted text>The way the government is cutting medicare benefits I am shocked anyone would want it. No one seems to be worried about quality of care they maybe loosing if the government keeps screwing with the pay outs to the medical field. Now here is something I wonder about is if they can cut benefits to a government health plan which is Medicare what keeps them from doing the same with Obamacare and people going on the governments plan?


Most supporters of Obamacare embraced it because of a principled belief that everyone should have access to essential healthcare. But even the establishment, still Democrat dominated, CBO admits that after 10 years of implementation, Obamacare will still leave 30 million uninsured. Just wait until the broad realization dawns that the harsh reality of Obamacare is that tens of millions will lose their employer provided insurance because of the perverse incentives under the program. Even the establishment CBO admits that at least 7 million, and as many as 20 million, will lose their employer coverage. In February, CBO reported that “in 2019 [5 years after Obamacare is implemented], an estimated 12 million people who would have had an offer of employment-based coverage under prior law will lose their offer under current law [aka ‘Obamacare’].”

But that report is just the early breeze of the coming storm. The Obamacare employer mandate requires all employers of 50 or more full time workers to purchase the expensive insurance for those employees that Kathleen Sebelius (“The Secretary shall determine”) specifies that they must buy. But that mandate is enforced by a penalty of $2,000 per worker, which may be only 10% of the average cost of family coverage under the Sebelius requirements. Moreover, workers who do not receive employer provided coverage are eligible to purchase their health insurance on the state Exchanges with extensive taxpayer subsidies to help cover the cost. Indeed, in the Exchanges, low and moderate income workers can even get subsidies covering their out-of-pocket expenses. Employers can terminate their employee coverage and let the taxpayers bear the cost of subsidizing their coverage in the Exchanges which means more profit for companies. Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated in a study for the American Action Forum that more than 40 million workers would lose their employer coverage due to these perverse incentives. It’s going to be even worse than that, when all of the cost increasing impacts of Obamacare are realized.

Obama campaigned in 2008 on a promise that Obamacare would reduce the cost of health insurance by $2,500 for average families. But since Obamacare passed, the cost of an average family policy has already increased by $3,000. That reflects the philosophical problem that so many “progressives” have with math, which they are certain is a fascist conspiracy against working people. But this again is just an early breeze from the coming storm. If you require coverage of more benefits, such as “free” check ups,“free” preventive care,“free” contraceptives,“free” preventive care, and everything Kathleen Sebelius says must be covered to satisfy the individual mandate and the employer mandate, then fascist math says that means there must be higher premiums, just so those fascist insurance companies can have enough money to pay all their promised benefits. Then there is the benevolent Obamacare regulation called “guaranteed issue.” That requires all insurers to cover everyone who applies, no matter how sick they are when they first apply, without having ever paid any premiums to the insurer before. That concept applied to fire insurance would require fire insurers to cover applicants who waited until their home caught on fire to call for coverage.

Max Baucus said it best,
"This is a Train Wreck", waiting to happen.
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Most supporters of Obamacare embraced it because of a principled belief that everyone should have access to essential healthcare. But even the establishment, still Democrat dominated, CBO admits that after 10 years of implementation, Obamacare will still leave 30 million uninsured. Just wait until the broad realization dawns that the harsh reality of Obamacare is that tens of millions will lose their employer provided insurance because of the perverse incentives under the program. Even the establishment CBO admits that at least 7 million, and as many as 20 million, will lose their employer coverage. In February, CBO reported that “in 2019 [5 years after Obamacare is implemented], an estimated 12 million people who would have had an offer of employment-based coverage under prior law will lose their offer under current law [aka ‘Obamacare’].”
But that report is just the early breeze of the coming storm. The Obamacare employer mandate requires all employers of 50 or more full time workers to purchase the expensive insurance for those employees that Kathleen Sebelius (“The Secretary shall determine”) specifies that they must buy. But that mandate is enforced by a penalty of $2,000 per worker, which may be only 10% of the average cost of family coverage under the Sebelius requirements. Moreover, workers who do not receive employer provided coverage are eligible to purchase their health insurance on the state Exchanges with extensive taxpayer subsidies to help cover the cost. Indeed, in the Exchanges, low and moderate income workers can even get subsidies covering their out-of-pocket expenses. Employers can terminate their employee coverage and let the taxpayers bear the cost of subsidizing their coverage in the Exchanges which means more profit for companies. Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated in a study for the American Action Forum that more than 40 million workers would lose their employer coverage due to these perverse incentives. It’s going to be even worse than that, when all of the cost increasing impacts of Obamacare are realized.
Obama campaigned in 2008 on a promise that Obamacare would reduce the cost of health insurance by $2,500 for average families. But since Obamacare passed, the cost of an average family policy has already increased by $3,000. That reflects the philosophical problem that so many “progressives” have with math, which they are certain is a fascist conspiracy against working people. But this again is just an early breeze from the coming storm. If you require coverage of more benefits, such as “free” check ups,“free” preventive care,“free” contraceptives,“free” preventive care, and everything Kathleen Sebelius says must be covered to satisfy the individual mandate and the employer mandate, then fascist math says that means there must be higher premiums, just so those fascist insurance companies can have enough money to pay all their promised benefits. Then there is the benevolent Obamacare regulation called “guaranteed issue.” That requires all insurers to cover everyone who applies, no matter how sick they are when they first apply, without having ever paid any premiums to the insurer before. That concept applied to fire insurance would require fire insurers to cover applicants who waited until their home caught on fire to call for coverage.
Max Baucus said it best,
"This is a Train Wreck", waiting to happen.
All to what you said plus any health insurance that is provided by their employer is added on to their base pay and the employee pays federal tax on it. I am not sure if this applies to anyone that get pay assistance from the government also. But what was the big promise to the people by the democrat party was there was to be no tax raises to the middle class and below. I know plenty of people both democrats and republicans pretty upset and mad about this.
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Are all these stupid, ill-mannered, republicans and wantabee repigs in the 1% of the ultra rich or are they just surrogates for the 1%?

A mouthpiece for the rich and usually talking out their azz because their mouth knows better."""
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Gett ready for more.

Since they do not have to disclose what is in the fluid they are injecting (The Halliburton loophole), in a business sense, they would be stupid not to inject every nasty bit of chemical waste down into these holes, which would contaminate their tailings.

Businessmen are psychopaths.
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Radical progressive liberals, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and Kathy Boudin are psychopaths who are now teaching in colleges. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols are psychopaths. The terrorists who committed 9/11 are religious extremist muslims who are psychopaths. The Times Square bomber is a muslim religious extremist terrorist psychopath. The Shoe Bomber is a muslim religious extremist terrorist psychopath. The Boston Marathon bombers, both were muslims, both connected to religious extremist views and their acts were terrorism and their social media exchanges and the fact they went to a party right after committing a heinous crime clearly would label them as psychopaths. Canadians arrested two foreigners both muslims, who live in Canada, who are closely connected to Al Qaeda in Iran intending to bomb a commuter train are the definition of psychopaths.
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Packing Heat wrote:
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Even the establishment CBO admits that at least 7 million, and as many as 20 million, will lose their employer coverage.

That's why our ancestors came here, to escape tyranny and legislated theivery.
Yes, 20M will lose their EMPLOYER coverage. Obamacare
will be the better option and they'll take it.
Please read what you post before you rant.

Your ancestors chose Okieland. Okieland was chosen
by outlaws and thieves and land rushers ( most of whom
left within a year ).
Jangles

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ObamaCare doesn't work now. Kathleen Sebelius, HHS made it very clear recently she can't even implement the required insurance exchanges. Max Baucus,(D)Montana, chairman of the Finance Committee, said last week that ObamaCare is a TRAIN WRECK waiting to happen.

Take the sack off of your head, open your eyes, stop drinking the kool-aide.

OBAMACARE DOESN'T AND WON'T WORK!!!!!!!!!!
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WarForOil wrote:
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Yes, 20M will lose their EMPLOYER coverage. Obamacare
will be the better option and they'll take it.
Please read what you post before you rant.
Your ancestors chose Okieland. Okieland was chosen
by outlaws and thieves and land rushers ( most of whom
left within a year ).
He's from Grapevine....maybe he's been drinking the fermented kind...:-)
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Wonder of Obama

Out of Kenya he did rise from the dust
Barack the 2nd, his father radical flair
Embedded in his son hatred a lack of trust
For any Western or white man, freedom bare.

Move to Indonesia practice muslim prayers
Became Barry, embraced his step dad's name
Mom moved to Hawaii, Gramps teachings flare
Socialist, Communism, radicals all the same.

Infiltrated America, Occidental College attend
Involved with radicals, socialist Armand Hammer
Mentors abound to groom this mixed race son send
Columbia and Harvard Ivy who paid, in what manner?

Meteoritic ascension to power the senate member
Far left his politics voted most liberal by all
Who is this man where did he come, so limber
Talks for hours nothing said, photogenic and tall

He spent 5 years wagging his finger lecturing us
Playing golf, riding carts all day, parties galore
His daughters only the best vacations Spring must
With his podium of power, teleprompters his floor

To continue the lie of ObamaCare to help you, me
The huddle masses on foodstamps, welfare to cash
Seek the government to pay all, Taxpayer's fee
Drain the American Worker, non producers stash

Ill gotten gains, from the burden society death
No longer a proud country of hard workers united
We are swamped by moochers, like addicts to meth
Industry closes, businesses foreclosed, blighted

Justice a travesty, liberty's robes tore asunder
Wailing, terror, NY, Boston by radical jihadist
Voted Obama as president is American's blunder
Close borders, no foreign aid, no crazy Islamist

This is our country paid for by our blood, tears
We as a people give more than any country does
To people of the world, in need of hope, fears
Our army is volunteer, there is no greater love.
Stephen

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Zane wrote:
Wonder of Obama
Out of Kenya he did rise from the dust
Barack the 2nd, his father radical flair
Embedded in his son hatred a lack of trust
For any Western or white man, freedom bare.
Move to Indonesia practice muslim prayers
Became Barry, embraced his step dad's name
Mom moved to Hawaii, Gramps teachings flare
Socialist, Communism, radicals all the same.
Infiltrated America, Occidental College attend
Involved with radicals, socialist Armand Hammer
Mentors abound to groom this mixed race son send
Columbia and Harvard Ivy who paid, in what manner?
Meteoritic ascension to power the senate member
Far left his politics voted most liberal by all
Who is this man where did he come, so limber
Talks for hours nothing said, photogenic and tall
He spent 5 years wagging his finger lecturing us
Playing golf, riding carts all day, parties galore
His daughters only the best vacations Spring must
With his podium of power, teleprompters his floor
To continue the lie of ObamaCare to help you, me
The huddle masses on foodstamps, welfare to cash
Seek the government to pay all, Taxpayer's fee
Drain the American Worker, non producers stash
Ill gotten gains, from the burden society death
No longer a proud country of hard workers united
We are swamped by moochers, like addicts to meth
Industry closes, businesses foreclosed, blighted
Justice a travesty, liberty's robes tore asunder
Wailing, terror, NY, Boston by radical jihadist
Voted Obama as president is American's blunder
Close borders, no foreign aid, no crazy Islamist
This is our country paid for by our blood, tears
We as a people give more than any country does
To people of the world, in need of hope, fears
Our army is volunteer, there is no greater love.
WOW !
TAMARA

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Yes, 20M will lose their EMPLOYER coverage. Obamacare
will be the better option and they'll take it.
Please read what you post before you rant.
Your ancestors chose Okieland. Okieland was chosen
by outlaws and thieves and land rushers ( most of whom
left within a year ).
I cannot see how anyone can possibly make the statement that Obamacare will be better than their coverage from EMPLOYER coverage. First of all with out it being in full force no one know how this will work out. Second no one knows if you will get better quality of care and coverage. And second of all if it is ran like government health care called medicare now with the government taking benefits away from medicare coverage then Mister you will be screwed!
Open your eyes TEXAN!
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Zane wrote:
<quoted text>He's from Grapevine....maybe he's been drinking the fermented kind...:-)


I noticed that too! I think I heard his main Suppliers Still blew-up the other day, lol. Just saying.

Do they really let these moron's run loose in Texas or are they confined to a Basement with a keyboard in their hand?
His Therapist really should take that keyboard away from him.
It shows the Therapist isn't bringing any reality into his mindless brain yet...
taxpayers are stilling paying for this dirtbags pathetic existance and he's still begging for more.
I wonder if he could be some of Justaminutes kin-folks, lol.
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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I cannot see how anyone can possibly make the statement that Obamacare will be better than their coverage from EMPLOYER coverage. First of all with out it being in full force no one know how this will work out. Second no one knows if you will get better quality of care and coverage. And second of all if it is ran like government health care called medicare now with the government taking benefits away from medicare coverage then Mister you will be screwed!
Open your eyes TEXAN!


LOL, I can't see how either TAMARA. I laughed so hard when I read that Mental Midgets response and when I can quit laughing, I'll find my coloring book and draw that idiot a picture.

I thought the Public School System taught these mental midgets to read after second grade without coloring book pictures but... guess not in Grapevine, Tx.
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LOL, I can't see how either TAMARA. I laughed so hard when I read that Mental Midgets response and when I can quit laughing, I'll find my coloring book and draw that idiot a picture.
I thought the Public School System taught these mental midgets to read after second grade without coloring book pictures but... guess not in Grapevine, Tx.
It just blows my mind that people are believing that this Obamacare thing is great when no one has had to deal with it. Medicare would not be bad if it was used for what it was set for. But the government have added so many things that people can be put on it before they turn 65. Those medical conditions these people have are not the run of the mill medical problems but high dollar costing ones then the government has the gall to tell senior citizens there is not money to keep funding it. But the first place the government goes to pay for obamacare is taking funding away from Medicare. So why do people not think when the government wants money for something else the government won't be doing it to obamacare. Hick the govenment even steal from So. Security and always finds some excuse not to pay it back.
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Are all these stupid, ill-mannered, republicans and wantabee repigs in the 1% of the ultra rich or are they just surrogates for the 1%?

A mouthpiece for the rich and usually talking out their azz because their mouth knows better."""
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TAMARA wrote:
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First of all with out ObamaCares being in full force no one know how this will work out.

Second no one knows if you will get better quality of care and coverage.

And second of all if it is ran like government health care called medicare
Yes, it will be run like Medicare.
Medicare is a great program and way more efficient than
America's private system.

And ' Secondly ' there can be only one secondly,
not two as you have written above.

The government coverage will actually be cheaper than
most all private plans. Medicare is a bargain.
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WarForOil wrote:
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Yes, it will be run like Medicare.
Medicare is a great program and way more efficient than
America's private system.
And ' Secondly ' there can be only one secondly,
not two as you have written above.
The government coverage will actually be cheaper than
most all private plans. Medicare is a bargain.
Do or did you have a private health ins. plan?
Are you on Medicare?
We are not poor but not rich enough to fund our own health care plan. So we have medicare now. I would give anything to be back to having my health insurance before hitting the age of 65. The constant threat from this government administration towards Medicare and So. Security is bullshit!. The constant wondering if you have a major health problem will medicare pay or will because of all the cuts you will be told sorry to bad so sad we deny you the treatment to make you well. This is where medicare is heading with the medicare cuts to fund Obamacare and this last deal Obama came with over the Sequestery cuts. The major one is the cut to the cancer treatments for Medicare. If you donot have your own money and many do not to pay you are screwed. Anyone no matter what age should be able to get treatments if they are in 1,2,& 3 stage of cancer. 4 and 5 stages in cancer even with treatment you usually donot make it. I hope if that ever happens to me I am strong enough to do the right thing and be appreciating of the life I have had.
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Zane wrote:
Wonder of Obama
Out of Kenya he did rise from the dust
Barack the 2nd, his father radical flair
Embedded in his son hatred a lack of trust
For any Western or white man, freedom bare.
Move to Indonesia practice muslim prayers
Became Barry, embraced his step dad's name
Mom moved to Hawaii, Gramps teachings flare
Socialist, Communism, radicals all the same.
Infiltrated America, Occidental College attend
Involved with radicals, socialist Armand Hammer
Mentors abound to groom this mixed race son send
Columbia and Harvard Ivy who paid, in what manner?
Meteoritic ascension to power the senate member
Far left his politics voted most liberal by all
Who is this man where did he come, so limber
Talks for hours nothing said, photogenic and tall
He spent 5 years wagging his finger lecturing us
Playing golf, riding carts all day, parties galore
His daughters only the best vacations Spring must
With his podium of power, teleprompters his floor
To continue the lie of ObamaCare to help you, me
The huddle masses on foodstamps, welfare to cash
Seek the government to pay all, Taxpayer's fee
Drain the American Worker, non producers stash
Ill gotten gains, from the burden society death
No longer a proud country of hard workers united
We are swamped by moochers, like addicts to meth
Industry closes, businesses foreclosed, blighted
Justice a travesty, liberty's robes tore asunder
Wailing, terror, NY, Boston by radical jihadist
Voted Obama as president is American's blunder
Close borders, no foreign aid, no crazy Islamist
This is our country paid for by our blood, tears
We as a people give more than any country does
To people of the world, in need of hope, fears
Our army is volunteer, there is no greater love.
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