OKIES=lucky as hell
great

Mustang, OK

#26 May 9, 2013
So What wrote:
Why is Oklahoma spending state money to enforce a federal law. It is the job of the federal government to enforce federal law. Federal law currently mandates work requirements for non-exempt applicants to be eligible for SNAP. Applicants who are non-exempt must register and participate in the SNAP Employment and Training Program and accept any job that is offered to them. Further, Able-Bodied Adults without Dependents (ABAWDs) who are not enrolled in the SNAP E&T program are limited to benefits for three-months every three years. Additional work requirements should be unnecessary given the restrictiveness of the current able-bodied restrictions in place.
all states spend money to enforce all kinds of federal laws every day....
So What

Mcloud, OK

#27 May 9, 2013
But very few states refuse government funds when they do it. This is a matter of economics. Most of us pay federal taxes, and wouldn't you prefer that our federal tax dollars come back to our state. This bill stops that from happening, and spends state funds to do so. Because dollars are allocated to SNAP through the U.S Farm Bill, reducing state SNAP caseloads through increased work requirements would not manage to save any federal dollars or reduce the U.S. deficit; it would, however, increase state administrative costs and divert federal funds to other states. .
great

Mustang, OK

#28 May 9, 2013
So What wrote:
But very few states refuse government funds when they do it. This is a matter of economics. Most of us pay federal taxes, and wouldn't you prefer that our federal tax dollars come back to our state. This bill stops that from happening, and spends state funds to do so. Because dollars are allocated to SNAP through the U.S Farm Bill, reducing state SNAP caseloads through increased work requirements would not manage to save any federal dollars or reduce the U.S. deficit; it would, however, increase state administrative costs and divert federal funds to other states..
no, I don't want more money just because....
So What

Mcloud, OK

#29 May 9, 2013
What's up with people with children are exempt from the law? I believe that people should be doing everything (that is legal) that they can to support their children, not be given free passes because they have children. It also encourages people without children to reproduce so they can stay on the money-for-nothing bandwagon. Those kids cost us so much tax money it is unbelievable, and are more likely to abused and neglected.

So What

Mcloud, OK

#30 May 9, 2013
great wrote:
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no, I don't want more money just because....
I love to see federal funds for food programs come into our state. It does nothing but help our states economy.
great

Mustang, OK

#31 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
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I love to see federal funds for food programs come into our state. It does nothing but help our states economy.
it may help short term but in the long run it's just making people more dependent on big government.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#32 May 10, 2013
We are all dependent on government. I think what you mean by big government, is a government that spends to much. Do you agree with that statement?
Zane

United States

#33 May 10, 2013
great wrote:
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you must be old money with that kind of attitude. mommy and daddy pay for your education or rather, step mommy and daddy. I don't know where that chip on your shoulder comes from exactly but you should really get over it and get your head out of your ass. who calls they employees servants? anyway, no wonder we're worlds apart, I was raised middle class and pulled my own bootstraps up by working hard to educate myself on my own dime. I know the real world which clearly you do not unless you're just lying which I haven't dismissed as a possibility. enjoy Europe and rest assured you aren't the only one in this conversation with a passport... some of us just have more class in our pinky toe than you have in your entire being.
OilyWarMan isn't wealthy or even very bright but he loves to say he is... all the way from Grapevine, TX which is a suburb of Dallas Metro Area. He probably lives in the poor side of town with HUD rental and Obama FREE cell phone. BTW, he's been royally spanked in any debate I know him to be in just like justaliar, I mean justaminute!
So What

Mcloud, OK

#34 May 10, 2013
Zane wrote:
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OilyWarMan isn't wealthy or even very bright but he loves to say he is... all the way from Grapevine, TX which is a suburb of Dallas Metro Area. He probably lives in the poor side of town with HUD rental and Obama FREE cell phone. BTW, he's been royally spanked in any debate I know him to be in just like justaliar, I mean justaminute!
What does that have to do with Oklahoma HB 1909?
Zane

United States

#35 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
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What does that have to do with Oklahoma HB 1909?
I was responding to a post "great" posted concerning OilForWar. I thought that was self-evident.
great

Mustang, OK

#36 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
We are all dependent on government. I think what you mean by big government, is a government that spends to much. Do you agree with that statement?
we are all dependent upon certain things from the government but it's the extent of that dependence that, in my mind, defines big government. socialized healthcare, for example, is a step closer to big government so it's more than just a government that spends too much money and more of a government that forces it's populace to rely on it instead of teaching them how to live. there's the saying that goes something like give a man a fish he eats for a day but teach him how to fish and he eats for a lifetime. governments have held thier citizens hostage before by making them totally dependent for protection and food and I don't want that for the United states.
great

Mustang, OK

#37 May 10, 2013
Zane wrote:
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OilyWarMan isn't wealthy or even very bright but he loves to say he is... all the way from Grapevine, TX which is a suburb of Dallas Metro Area. He probably lives in the poor side of town with HUD rental and Obama FREE cell phone. BTW, he's been royally spanked in any debate I know him to be in just like justaliar, I mean justaminute!
Lol! well, I suspected as much when he mentioned his income in what I can only guess was an attempt at validation and was about 90% sure of when he referred to his employees as servants.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#38 May 10, 2013
When you refer to "teach a man how to fish", is that metaphor for our education system?
great

Mustang, OK

#39 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
When you refer to "teach a man how to fish", is that metaphor for our education system?
no, that's a metaphor for instead of giving people food set up a system to teach them to support themselves. the current education system doesn't come close to preparing people for the real world.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#40 May 10, 2013
Zane wrote:
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I was responding to a post "great" posted concerning OilForWar. I thought that was self-evident.
I understand now. All you want to do is trash talk. I would like to thank you for bringing that to my attention.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#41 May 10, 2013
great wrote:
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no, that's a metaphor for instead of giving people food set up a system to teach them to support themselves. the current education system doesn't come close to preparing people for the real world.


For a lot of people in this county the real world is public assistance, and our education system for them, does a good job preparing them for that life style. I'm not just referring to schools, but also how they are raised. Our problems are not government problems, but society problems.
Zane

United States

#42 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
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I understand now. All you want to do is trash talk. I would like to thank you for bringing that to my attention.
Hardly, mental midget...my post was directed toward the most obvious poster who has a clue to reality of the situation. I gave a little background on OilyWarMan. I look for patterns on threads and it doesn't take long to uncover what the pattern is for posters. My remarks were directed to "great" and had no bearing on what you do or don't understand. Trash talk is exclusive to those who post misrepresentations, out right lies and fabrications or too lazy to research a validity of a claim. Not interested in wasting time on any of those categories, since they have no positive purpose. I prefer the truth.

THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA..........
So What

Mcloud, OK

#43 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>
For a lot of people in this county the real world is public assistance, and our education system for them, does a good job preparing them for that life style. I'm not just referring to schools, but also how they are raised. Our problems are not government problems, but society problems.
You keep bringing up food. What do you think would happening if we took away food from the people you feel don't deserve it?
great

Mustang, OK

#44 May 10, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>
For a lot of people in this county the real world is public assistance, and our education system for them, does a good job preparing them for that life style. I'm not just referring to schools, but also how they are raised. Our problems are not government problems, but society problems.
that's exactly the point except our society elects government and so the problem is both. until that option no longer exists people will continue to live off the system. it's tragic how many adults and children have no idea how to grow gardens or can food, talents our great grandparents held as survival skills are disappearing. what happens if the government collapses? we all like to live in a bubble and pretend that isn't possible but it is and how many will starve or die from disease because we lack the most basic survival skills because we chose to depend on our government?
So What

Mcloud, OK

#45 May 11, 2013
Zane wrote:
<quoted text>
Hardly, mental midget...my post was directed toward the most obvious poster who has a clue to reality of the situation. I gave a little background on OilyWarMan. I look for patterns on threads and it doesn't take long to uncover what the pattern is for posters. My remarks were directed to "great" and had no bearing on what you do or don't understand. Trash talk is exclusive to those who post misrepresentations, out right lies and fabrications or too lazy to research a validity of a claim. Not interested in wasting time on any of those categories, since they have no positive purpose. I prefer the truth.
THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA..........
You and WarforOil remind me of a Star Trek show. The one that had a guy that is half black half white, and the other guy that is exactly like him, but he was half white half black, and they hated each other because they were different, but they weren't.

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