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'Good without a god': Faces of atheism in Oklahoma

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#568 Jul 29, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
the difference is.........there actually was a Jesus who walked and talked among us. He performed miracles witnessed by thousands and rose from the dead........also witnessed by many. Of course there are going to be copy cat religions.....we can't help that.
Oh no........here comes the crying and wining about the big bad Christians making rules for the poor little atheists. Who should make the rules? Why do you even have rules since morality is not a humanists, atheist value. Like it or not, somebody has to make some rules in this world.
Also it's getting really sickening to continue to hear you and all your friends come over here and say that non-believers have no morals....this is not true and the only reason you say it is to make people angry....and darlin, christianity is a copy cat religion lol

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#569 Jul 29, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
the difference is.........there actually was a Jesus who walked and talked among us. He performed miracles witnessed by thousands and rose from the dead........also witnessed by many. Of course there are going to be copy cat religions.....we can't help that.
Oh no........here comes the crying and wining about the big bad Christians making rules for the poor little atheists. Who should make the rules? Why do you even have rules since morality is not a humanists, atheist value. Like it or not, somebody has to make some rules in this world.
There are actually 10 figures that have the almost exact same story as Jesus :D... but I'm bettin that your Jesus is the right one right lmao!
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#570 Jul 29, 2013
why would you have morals? I mean aren't you in favor of everyone making up their own morality? You don't want anyone telling you that you are wrong correct?

Its so funny.......you probably believe many ancient text yet you refuse to believe the bible. Do some research for once.......you might get enlightened....naw I doubt it. Your mind is already made up.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#571 Jul 29, 2013
well so what???? You are showing how little you really know. Why don't you go read a few books and educate yourself. I recommend "The Case for Christ". Of course there are many others. My guess is you will condemn anyone or any book that differs from your opinion. I've seen atheists do that time and time again. They claim to want the truth yet they are not open to the possibility that they are wrong about God. They are too entrenched in their belief system.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#572 Jul 29, 2013
isn't it amazing that Jesus is the one that atheists attack? You never hear them talking about any other religion or the gods of those religions. Its always Jesus that they hate so much. Very telling.

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#573 Jul 29, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
why would you have morals? I mean aren't you in favor of everyone making up their own morality? You don't want anyone telling you that you are wrong correct?
Its so funny.......you probably believe many ancient text yet you refuse to believe the bible. Do some research for once.......you might get enlightened....naw I doubt it. Your mind is already made up.
lol..you know what I find so comical about you... you keep "telling" me how I supposedly feel, but in question form lol.

I already told you why I have morals, but I'll answer it again. My parents taught me good morals, and as an adult I choose to continue to have good morals.
Contrary to your assessment of what I want and don't want, Its no bother to me if you disagree with me. Of course I also don't know anyone who would say they "like" to be told they are wrong lol so no I can't say I like it, but if I am "wrong" about something I will most definitely admit to it....
And actually no lol...I don't believe any of those ancient txts any more than I believe yours. I've done my research already, and that is what helped me make my decision to not believe in any of these similarly told stories, because I know they have to be stories or there wouldn't be so many of them.
You should take your ego down a couple of levels and open your eyes up to some research on the subject...of course I will use your words above... naw...if you did that you might be enlightened and you've already made your mind up.

The difference between you and I dear is that I know I don't know all the answers... and your ego has made you think that you do.

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#574 Jul 29, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
well so what???? You are showing how little you really know. Why don't you go read a few books and educate yourself. I recommend "The Case for Christ". Of course there are many others. My guess is you will condemn anyone or any book that differs from your opinion. I've seen atheists do that time and time again. They claim to want the truth yet they are not open to the possibility that they are wrong about God. They are too entrenched in their belief system.
LOL...again...I have done my research darlin...that is why I made my decision to not follow any religion in the first place. There has been no new discoveries on the history of Christ and no new discoveries on the whereabouts of any "god" as a creator, under any religion. I would love to know the "truth" and have answers, but sadly we do not have those yet... well religion thinks it has the answer.

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#575 Jul 29, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
isn't it amazing that Jesus is the one that atheists attack? You never hear them talking about any other religion or the gods of those religions. Its always Jesus that they hate so much. Very telling.
Well you posted this while I was away, but Jesus isn't under attack, he is simply not believed in as the son of a "god". No one ever says that they hate him, they just don't believe in his ever existing. Why are you continuously putting words in other people's mouths. It's quite annoying.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#576 Jul 29, 2013
they don't hate Jesus? Have you read many of the comments on these threads? Jesus and Christians are constantly attacked. Why attack something you don't even believe in? Very telling....darlin.

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#577 Jul 29, 2013
10. Buddha
Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
“When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age…“Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.”(Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said:“Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said:“All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me”(Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”:“Get you away from me.”
Jesus responded:“…begone, Satan!”(Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said:“If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;.”(Matthew 5:29).
9. Krishna
Radha Y Krishna
According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed:“I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.

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#578 Jul 29, 2013
8. Odysseus
Homeric tales about Odysseus emphasize his suffering life, just as in Mark Jesus said that he, too, would suffer greatly. Odysseus is a carpenter like Jesus, and he wants to return his home just as Jesus wants to be welcomed in his native home and later to God’s home in Jerusalem. Odysseus is plagued with unfaithful and dim-witted companions who display tragic flaws. They stupidly open a magic bag of wind while Odysseus sleeps and release terrible tempests which prevent their return home. These sailors are comparable to Jesus’ disciples, who disbelieve Jesus, ask foolish questions, and show general ignorance about everything. It’s amazing that either Odysseus or Jesus ever manage to accomplish anything, given the companions they have, but this simply demonstrates the power and ability of the one true leader who has a divine mandate to lead the people out of darkness and into a brighter future.
7. Romulus
Romulus Warrior
Romulus is born of a vestal virgin, which was a priestess of the hearth god Vesta sworn to celibacy. His mother claims that the divine impregnated her, yet this is not believed by the King. Romulus and his twin brother, Remus, are tossed in the river and left for dead.(A “slaughter of the innocents” tale which parallels that of Matthew 2:13-16). Romulus is hailed as the son of god. He is “snatched away to heaven” by a whirlwind (It is assumed that the gods took him), and he makes post mortem appearances. In his work Numa Pompilius, Plutarch records that there was a darkness covering the earth before his death (Just as there was during Jesus’ death according to Mark 15:33). He also states that Romulus is to be know afterwards as ‘Quirinus’; A god which belonged to the Archiac Triad (a “triple deity” similar to the concept of the Trinity).

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#579 Jul 29, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
they don't hate Jesus? Have you read many of the comments on these threads? Jesus and Christians are constantly attacked. Why attack something you don't even believe in? Very telling....darlin.
Yes, just as there are angry, mean people on the believing side, there are also angry, mean people on the non-believing side. Usually what starts the attacking is when people say that are 100% correct on the subject of creation, and that usually starts with the religious groups... and I only say that because science only has theories so far, and they don't claim to know exactly how it happened yet...

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#580 Jul 29, 2013
6. Dionysus
Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,”“Redeemer,”“Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
5. Heracles
Heracles is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring of David”(Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to the Supreme God.
Diodorus writes that,”For as regards the magnitude of the deeds which he accomplished it is generally agreed that Heracles has been handed down as one who surpassed all men of whom memory from the beginning of time has brought down an account; consequently it is a difficult attainment to report each one of his deeds in a worthy manner and to present a record which shall be on a level with labours so great, the magnitude of which won for him the prize of immortality.”
Jesus is also said to have done a very large number of good works. John 21:25 says that:“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”
Hera tries to kill Heracles as an infant by sending two serpents after him, yet Heracles survives by strangling them. This parallels Herod’s slaughter of the innocents in an attempt to kill Jesus (Matthew 2:13-16).
Heracles makes a descent into Hades and returns from it with Theseus and Peirithoüs, just as Jesus descends into the “lower parts of the earth” or Hades (Ephesians 4:7-8); Though Jesus does not bring anyone up from it. Heracles’ body is not found and he is assumed to have been taken by the gods:”After this, when the companions of Iolaüs came to gather up the bones of Heracles and found not a single bone anywhere, they assumed that, in accordance with the words of the oracle, he had passed from among men into the company of the gods.”

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#581 Jul 29, 2013
4. Glycon
In the middle of the 100s AD, out along the south coast of the Black Sea, Glycon was the son of the God Apollo, who: came to Earth through a miraculous birth, was the Earthly manifestation of divinity, came to earth in fulfillment of divine prophecy, gave his chief believer the power of prophecy, gave believers the power to speak in tongues, performed miracles, healed the sick, and raised the dead.
3. Zoroaster/Zarathustra
Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.” He was baptized in a river. In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom. He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil. He began his ministry at age 30. Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.” He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man. He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse. He had a sacred cup or grail. He was slain. His religion had a eucharist. He was the “Word made flesh.” Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 AD and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.

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#582 Jul 29, 2013
2. Attis of Phrygia
Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana. He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. He descended into the underworld. After three days, Attis was resurrected.
1. Horus
Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to:“Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.

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#583 Jul 29, 2013
I missed 6. and 5., but you get the idea :D
Amused

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#584 Jul 30, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
isn't it amazing that Jesus is the one that atheists attack? You never hear them talking about any other religion or the gods of those religions. Its always Jesus that they hate so much. Very telling.
If you read much here, you would see that atheists aren't fond of islam or judaism either. Hindus and Buddhists aren't big on prosletyzing, so we don't see many of them in these forums. Christians, on the other hand, are attracted to the atheist forum like iron filings to a magnet. If you spend most of your time replying to christian posters, you necessarily spend a lot of time discussing jesus and the bible. Most christians have only a passing acquaintance with the contents of their own holy book. Their knowledge of other religions is negligible. Discussing Buddhism's 8-fold path with a christian would yield as much success as trying to teach a pig to sing.

We also don't spend much time discussing zoaroaster, zeus, loki, posiedon and that lot simply because they've already been discredited. If everyone agrees there's no zeus, what is there to debate?
AngelAngle

Dallas, TX

#585 Jul 30, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
did I ever say it had anything to do with being open minded? You honestly expect me to believe that buddha is the same God as the one Christians worship? Thats crazy.
You love to use the word "religion" dont you? Other religions never have had a living, breathing savior that thousands witnessed perform miracles and rose from the dead. I guess you think all those people were also delusional. Its not about "religions" its about accepting and believing in Christ.
I think your numbers might be off a little. Thousands of people witnessed the miracles?

I also think your time line is off as well. None of the people that wrote about Jesus ever met. him or even lived at the same time.

If you will look up Buddha you will find that he NEVER claimed to be a god nor did he want to be worshiped as one.
A little history:
Historians estimate that the founder of Buddhism, Siddhartha Gautama, lived from 566(?) to 480(?) B.C. The son of an Indian warrior-king, Gautama led an extravagant life through early adulthood, reveling in the privileges of his social caste. But when he bored of the indulgences of royal life, Gautama wandered into the world in search of understanding. After encountering an old man, an ill man, a corpse and an ascetic, Gautama was convinced that suffering lay at the end of all existence. He renounced his princely title and became a monk, depriving himself of worldly possessions in the hope of comprehending the truth of the world around him. The culmination of his search came while meditating beneath a tree, where he finally understood how to be free from suffering, and ultimately, to achieve salvation. Following this epiphany, Gautama was known as the Buddha, meaning the "Enlightened One." The Buddha spent the remainder of his life journeying about India, teaching others what he had come to understand.

antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#586 Jul 30, 2013
i wondered how long it would take for angel to start talking. The more you chime in the ignorant I can tell you really are about the bible. Go read "the case for Christ" and it will answer all these questions for you. Oh wait, I forgot you aren't interested in the truth.

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#587 Jul 30, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
i wondered how long it would take for angel to start talking. The more you chime in the ignorant I can tell you really are about the bible. Go read "the case for Christ" and it will answer all these questions for you. Oh wait, I forgot you aren't interested in the truth.
Just prove your f*cking god you lying little twerp.

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