Church sign causes political controversy

Church sign causes political controversy

There are 100 comments on the KFOR story from Oct 27, 2010, titled Church sign causes political controversy. In it, KFOR reports that:

As we gear up for election day, there is controversy stirring involving a sign located outside an Oklahoma church.

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Seamore Butts

Oklahoma City, OK

#61 Oct 27, 2010
People do anything now a days to get on the news. Get over this saying!!!
Davlyn Garver

United States

#62 Oct 27, 2010
No one is telling you how to vote. The intention of the sign is to get people thinking about how God would want you to vote. I don't see anything wrong with this and I just want to vote the way God wants me to vote.
Joyce Hagar-Ingram

Edmond, OK

#63 Oct 27, 2010
We all need to be reminded of godly principles, and adhere to them everyday, especially on election day!
Oh Brother

Edmond, OK

#64 Oct 27, 2010
Why did Wendy assume the sign was encouraging people to not vote for Democrats? Why did she not assume the sign was directed at Republicans? Is she acknowledging then, that a large portion of democrats hate the message of Jesus Christ and that their beliefs are infact incompatible with the word of God?

Regardless, anyone in Yukon who knows Wendy knows how she gets if she's not on her medication...
Diana

Oklahoma City, OK

#65 Oct 27, 2010
It's funny that she would think that His Word would be Republican. The sign doesn't say anything like that. If we take her view, wouldn't not voting Republican be against His Word? She said it.
grizzlydane

Henderson, NV

#66 Oct 28, 2010
Holman says she thinks the sign implies that you can't be a Christian and a Democrat that to vote His word would be to vote Republican and that she thinks that God is not Political ....Well she is correct about God but wrong about the sign it says nothing about Democrat or Republican but she did .... all the sign is saying is that you should vote for the candidate whose values most closely mirror those of God whether He/She be Democrat or Republican and if everybody did that there would be true change ..... would it be such a terrible thing if all those elected's values mirrored those of GOD??

“I'm a racist's worst nightmare”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#67 Oct 28, 2010
cracker666 wrote:
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Yes, I agree.
Get rid of Coburn and Fallin while you can!!!
They do better jobs then anybody That has the last name Obama, Pelosi, or Reid

“I'm a racist's worst nightmare”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#68 Oct 28, 2010
PastorCrookPasta wrote:
apparently for the ignoramuses here Bush left a 5-star economy? deficits rose under bush.
Here is quote from Tim Kaine Democrat, the popular conservative former governor of VA:
"shrinking the government and paying off the national debt." But during the Bush administration, government spending increased from 18.4 percent of GDP to 20.3 percent in 2006, the national debt nearly doubled from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion, and the annual budget exploded from a $128 billion surplus in 2001 to a $1.4 trillion deficit in 2008. Where were the GOP's convictions about small government and fiscal responsibility during the Bush administration's spending spree? And why did all Republican Senators, including six who have cosponsored the exact same bill, vote against establishing a bipartisan commission that can help fight the deficit?
Are you stupid? Bush brought the deficit down before he left office only for a socialist to come back and pretty much quadruple it his first year.
Tuna Boat

Montgomery, AL

#69 Oct 28, 2010
PastorCrookPasta wrote:
apparently for the ignoramuses here Bush left a 5-star economy? deficits rose under bush.
Here is quote from Tim Kaine Democrat, the popular conservative former governor of VA:
"shrinking the government and paying off the national debt." But during the Bush administration, government spending increased from 18.4 percent of GDP to 20.3 percent in 2006, the national debt nearly doubled from $5.7 trillion to $10.6 trillion, and the annual budget exploded from a $128 billion surplus in 2001 to a $1.4 trillion deficit in 2008. Where were the GOP's convictions about small government and fiscal responsibility during the Bush administration's spending spree? And why did all Republican Senators, including six who have cosponsored the exact same bill, vote against establishing a bipartisan commission that can help fight the deficit?
This may be to much for you to see. However we were in two war's during the Bush Admin. Two wars that both the Repub's and Dem's a like voted in favor of. They all read the same intel report's and got the same briefing and came to the same conclusion. However when the war's got unpopular the dem's tucked tail and started pointing fingers and said they were lied too. Even if they were lied too it was the same lies that were told to Bush. So if you want to complain about the cost of life during the Bush admin. make sure the blame gets spread evenly across the board.
Cheryl

Oklahoma City, OK

#70 Oct 28, 2010
I'm so tired of everything having to be so politically correct! Where do we draw the line?? If this woman takes the signage so personally, then perhaps she should look within herself for resolution and leave the rest of us alone!
JustSayin

Montgomery, AL

#71 Oct 28, 2010
Citizen Bob wrote:
Which Biblical principles were used to found this country? The Democratic and Representative forms of governing are Greek and Roman inventions. Plus, US Law was derived from British Common Law, which in turn was derived from Roman Law as well as the laws of the Germanic and French tribes.
The bottom line is that religious people needs to stop telling everyone else how to vote.
Many may argue over which of the founding fathers was a Christian, no knowledgeable historian of early American history can deny the fact that the concept of a Creator God who endowed His creation with "unalienable rights" was an essential basis of the American experiment. The Declaration of Independence states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their "Creator" with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." These rights were derived ""not from a government that was transitory"", but from a Governor who was "eternal". It was the role of government to defend these rights and not dilute or remove them.

"Revisionists" Historians extend their influence of their world view outside the classroom as well into nearly every segment of American life. Their descriptions and tours of the nation's capitol, for example, fail to point out that the Ten Commandments are inscribed in the marble of the United States Supreme Court, that there is a beautiful stained glass window in the U.S. Capitol depicting President George Washington kneeling in prayer, and that at the top of the Washington Monument - the highest point in the nation's capital is embedded a plaque which boldly proclaims in Latin, "Praise Be Unto God." So many more inscriptions of America's Biblical Christian Heritage there and in the Founding Documents as well as in the mass majority of our Founders personal writings.
Shannon - Yukon

Montgomery, AL

#72 Oct 28, 2010
Oh come on! Amen to the preacher. I do believe that the sign is just saying vote how you feel not because of political race. No where on that sign does it sway to one political race. If you feel the world is out to get you then maybe you should go find your mothership.
Susan

Montgomery, AL

#73 Oct 28, 2010
Are you kidding me?? No where in that message is it trying to sway people one way or another. Get real!!
Mikep23661

United States

#74 Oct 28, 2010
Blondie wrote:
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What?
Really?
Wow! there just aren't words....
Blondie, do some research on American history. This country belonged to the Native americans long before Anglo saxons landed. They didn't just give up the land, it was taken from them. That is fact, not allegations.
Mikep23661

Montgomery, AL

#75 Oct 28, 2010
not the other chris wrote:
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Let's see, do you have an affordable place to live? Enough to eat? A job that YOU chose or, heaven forbid, are part of our generous welfare system? Do you have the freedom to go where you want to? Do you have a car in which to go wherever you choose? Worship who or what you want to worship? Have you ever given back to our country by offering to lay down your life for these benefits that you haven't earned but lucked into?
Yes, this country is pretty bad. Thank you for your criticisms. That was very helpful.
Chris, do some research on American history. This country belonged to the Native americans long before Anglo saxons landed. They didn't just give up the land, it was taken from them. That is fact, not allegations. Its apparent that, because of the lack of knowledge you have about American history, that you choose to take offense when someone drops a bit of TRUTHFUL knowledge on you. By the way, I served my country honorably and am now a disabled veteran, but that doesnt mean that I am proud of all of Americas history. I bet you probably dont care that we, Amearica, used Guatemala as a science experiment by infecting individuals with STD's for scientific purposes do you? Wouldnt be surprised if your anser was No.
Anonymous

Edmond, OK

#76 Oct 28, 2010
Mikep23661 wrote:
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Chris, do some research on American history. This country belonged to the Native americans long before Anglo saxons landed. They didn't just give up the land, it was taken from them. That is fact, not allegations. Its apparent that, because of the lack of knowledge you have about American history, that you choose to take offense when someone drops a bit of TRUTHFUL knowledge on you. By the way, I served my country honorably and am now a disabled veteran, but that doesnt mean that I am proud of all of Americas history. I bet you probably dont care that we, Amearica, used Guatemala as a science experiment by infecting individuals with STD's for scientific purposes do you? Wouldnt be surprised if your anser was No.
Yup, know all that. What's your point? Thanks for your service. Time to get with the program. This is 2010.
Anonymous

Edmond, OK

#77 Oct 28, 2010
Mikep23661 wrote:
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Blondie, do some research on American history. This country belonged to the Native americans long before Anglo saxons landed. They didn't just give up the land, it was taken from them. That is fact, not allegations.
Once again, time to get with it. This is now the U.S.A. And we've proven ourselves to be the greatest nation on the earth. You want to change it to some communist country like our soon to be impeached president? Or may you prefer living in the past, and using that as an excuse to apologize for who and what we are today. The United States of America? My suggest is to simply move to Red China. You can study all the ancient history you want and spout off all day long about how bad we are - or rather, WERE - just like Obama. Makes no difference to the rest of us patriots. Again, thanks for your service, and welcome back to America.
Wanda

United States

#78 Oct 28, 2010
Well it is implied.
In the BIBLE BELT!
If you are a democrat you can't possible be A Christian.
But you see all these republican /Christians who judge others so quickly and throw stones left and right.
It's enough to make you sick
Amber

Norman, OK

#79 Oct 28, 2010
The Pastor does not make any sense. He says "I can understand how someone might be offended though, we are not singling out any particular party. We put the sign up because we believe that the founding fathers founded this country on biblical principles."
So is he saying the biblical principles tell you to vote a certain way, and if so what is the way he is saying the Bible and the founding fathers are telling you to vote??? I am confused. If he knew his history he would know the founding fathers are the ones who created and wanted the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE... and the political parties that were established at that time, are not the same as what we have today. Democrat and Republican parties have developed from other parties and through time because of social, economic and political changes that have taken place over time in our country. Besides, any group of people who participated in and contributed to the ultimate sins of enslaving one group of people and almost erasing yet another group of people, would not be considered living by biblical principles, nor should they be the example by which we govern our country today.

I am proud of Mrs. Holman for speaking out and standing up for what she believes in and for what is right. When you are a community organization and your job is to reach out and to help ALL people, you should stay impartial and you should if anything open your mind and your heart and welcome and educate those who are different or do not agree with you, instead of alienating and dividing a community with disrespectul and offensive words or actions.
Amber

Norman, OK

#80 Oct 28, 2010
Davlyn Garver wrote:
No one is telling you how to vote. The intention of the sign is to get people thinking about how God would want you to vote. I don't see anything wrong with this and I just want to vote the way God wants me to vote.
Well if you know God and have a relationship with him then you would know how to vote because he would have told you. Why do you need a sign or a Pastor to tell you? BAAA BAAA sounds like the sheep are hearding again.

I read my Bible all the time and have read it cover to cover many times and I have never, not once seen any passages that tell me to vote with a certain political party. DO you know why? because GOD is NOT political. Politics is a completely man made creation. God is too busy healing the sick and feeding the hungry. He doesn't have time for America's political races.

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