Ga School Teachers Retired and Rehir...

Ga School Teachers Retired and Rehired -- Same Job?

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Dahlonega, GA

#1 Jan 14, 2013
Someone told me the other day that a Ga school teacher could retire and be rehired back at the same job and the teacher would be doing the same work while getting both a retirement check and a salary. Is that true? That sure doesn't sound like good fiscal policy for the taxpayers.

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#2 Jan 14, 2013
posing a question wrote:
Someone told me the other day that a Ga school teacher could retire and be rehired back at the same job and the teacher would be doing the same work while getting both a retirement check and a salary. Is that true? That sure doesn't sound like good fiscal policy for the taxpayers.
They can retire and then be hired in another state. That way they will receive two checks. I know of several that have done this. Are they can retire and be brought back as a consultant . Allowing them to get paid , but with no benefits.
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Dahlonega, GA

#3 Jan 14, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text> They can retire and then be hired in another state. That way they will receive two checks. I know of several that have done this. Are they can retire and be brought back as a consultant . Allowing them to get paid , but with no benefits.
This person that told me this said it can be in the same job in the same county and draw a salary and not as a consultant. I could see in another state or maybe in another county. This person told me that it could be the same county and the same job. By the way, this person is a teacher in the state. It just seems unbelievable that it could be in the same school system.

Since: May 12

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#4 Jan 14, 2013
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This person that told me this said it can be in the same job in the same county and draw a salary and not as a consultant. I could see in another state or maybe in another county. This person told me that it could be the same county and the same job. By the way, this person is a teacher in the state. It just seems unbelievable that it could be in the same school system.
I don't know what to say, but seeing how some of our county and state offices are run, it is possible I guess.
Informed Opinion

Bonita Springs, FL

#5 Jan 14, 2013
If it's like law enforcement, it's called a "Drop" plan.

It is a win/win for the employer and employee.

A drop an allows the employee to receive his pension paid into a trust, while the employee continues to work. He's gonna work somewhere and it might as well be where he knows what's going on.

The employer saves money because it doesn't continue to contribute to the retirement plan,(it pays the retirement anyway so that's not an additional cost), and it gets the benefit if the employees experience, knowledge and training.

After 5 years the employer receives his retirement money paid into the trust, and either retires or moves on to another employer.
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#6 Jan 14, 2013
Never done the "drop" with pension and benefits in trust. I am a retiree who has never been "hired" as a full-time employee, but hired on contract. I've done it several times and, now, in two states. Retired and rehired on contract in different agencies. Works well for the employee, too, as pension and benefits are still in tact. I don't see a problem here. First of all, people who retiree and still want to work can do so on their terms.

If a person, regardless of age, has the qualifications and the will to work, plus the investment in a good education, why waste it because you are over 65 years old?
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#7 Jan 14, 2013
Retirees often work because they like to work...it is that simple. It's why I work and will continue to do so until I drop dead.
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#8 Jan 14, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what to say, but seeing how some of our county and state offices are run, it is possible I guess.
So, what are you indicating? That there is something wrong with a retiree going back to work at something they know? Bottom line is schools, other agencies, and businesses do this because they can't find a person as qualified people to fill positions as an experienced retiree. Old age isn't a death sentence.
Informed Opinion

Bonita Springs, FL

#9 Jan 14, 2013
UC Voter wrote:
Retirees often work because they like to work...it is that simple. It's why I work and will continue to do so until I drop dead.
With me it's called "Kids".

Like my Brother says "you'll get plenty of rest all you want when you're dead - you're wasting time and burning daylight."
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#10 Jan 14, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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With me it's called "Kids".
Like my Brother says "you'll get plenty of rest all you want when you're dead - you're wasting time and burning daylight."
LOL

Since: Mar 11

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#11 Jan 15, 2013
Just another form of double dipping. Some spend their life trying to come up with ways to get something for nothing.

Since: May 12

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#13 Jan 15, 2013
UC Voter wrote:
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So, what are you indicating? That there is something wrong with a retiree going back to work at something they know? Bottom line is schools, other agencies, and businesses do this because they can't find a person as qualified people to fill positions as an experienced retiree. Old age isn't a death sentence.
Hot saying that at all. However some schools systems are beginning to hire younger teachers for less money. This also is a good thing. Good for the tax payer that has to pay school taxes. I am glad you were able to work long enough for a company to draw a retirement check from them. But there is a state run web site that list the pay for teachers here in Georgia, and most of those that have been there long enough to retire make about 80-100 thousand a year. I am betting that is another good reason not to retire. Let's see 40,000 for a new teacher vs 100,000 for older, doesn't take long to see the advantages for the tax payer. My personal opinion is if you are drawing any kind of retirement check from Georgia, no you should not be able to rehire with the Georgia school system. Not that is not saying you can't get a jog. Just not with the Georgia School System.

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#14 Jan 15, 2013
I have mixed views on older people still working . If you have to still work to survive that is one thing, but if you have enough money to not have to worry about anything, I believe you should retire and find yourself a hobby to keep you occupied. That would free up jobs for the young. I personally know the road dept here in Gilmer has only workers in their late 60's to 80 working for them. They laid off all the younger workers. I have to really question how much physical work a 70 year old can do. Most of their work involves moderate to heavy manual work. We had a motor grader operator that lives in Young Harris work until he was 72; probably would still be working if he had been able to see. This man didn't need the money but he wasn't about to give up the 20.00 an hour.

Since: May 12

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#15 Jan 15, 2013
Oh by the way if you would like to check out some of the salaries in your county look here.http://www.open.georgia.g ov/
Informed Opinion

United States

#16 Jan 15, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>Hot saying that at all. However some schools systems are beginning to hire younger teachers for less money. This also is a good thing. Good for the tax payer that has to pay school taxes. I am glad you were able to work long enough for a company to draw a retirement check from them. But there is a state run web site that list the pay for teachers here in Georgia, and most of those that have been there long enough to retire make about 80-100 thousand a year. I am betting that is another good reason not to retire. Let's see 40,000 for a new teacher vs 100,000 for older, doesn't take long to see the advantages for the tax payer. My personal opinion is if you are drawing any kind of retirement check from Georgia, no you should not be able to rehire with the Georgia school system. Not that is not saying you can't get a jog. Just not with the Georgia School System.
I understand your points, but respectfully disagree.

I can't accept the mindset that we want to employ the cheapest and least experienced educators to teach our kids.

Next time you need complicated, extensive, highly dangerous surgery, I am sure that you will shop for the least experienced, least educated, least trained, surgeon, anesthesiologist, and nurses.

Hey, you're almost guaranteed to die on the table. But obvious the priority is to save money and you did.

Our kids educations should be among our the highest priorities. Teachers should make $100K at a minimum, respected by all, their efforts supported by all.

Anytime you want to see what happens in a culture that denigrates education - just visit the "projects". Kids are constantly praised for their 20' fall away jump shots, but nobody applauds the kid who did well on his science project. Hasn't worked out well.

Since: May 12

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#17 Jan 15, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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I understand your points, but respectfully disagree.
I can't accept the mindset that we want to employ the cheapest and least experienced educators to teach our kids.
Next time you need complicated, extensive, highly dangerous surgery, I am sure that you will shop for the least experienced, least educated, least trained, surgeon, anesthesiologist, and nurses.
Hey, you're almost guaranteed to die on the table. But obvious the priority is to save money and you did.
Our kids educations should be among our the highest priorities. Teachers should make $100K at a minimum, respected by all, their efforts supported by all.
Anytime you want to see what happens in a culture that denigrates education - just visit the "projects". Kids are constantly praised for their 20' fall away jump shots, but nobody applauds the kid who did well on his science project. Hasn't worked out well.
Let's get real for a moment . If you have worked long enough to retire from the school system, you probably should. And to say a young person isn't qualified to teach is flat out wrong. The person is eventually going to have to retire or die. Then they will still have to hire a new younger teacher. This really isn't any different than any other occupation. Doctors retire when they are not able to perform their jobs. If you worked in the private sector you will probably be retired by your mid 60's. It all comes back to money and if you are making 100,000 a year most people are not going to walk away from that. It doesn't have anything to do with teaching credentials. Not to mention even if the teacher retires, they will be drawing 80,000 a year.

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#18 Jan 15, 2013
You want all the teachers to make a 100,000 a year,where do you purpose to get the money to pay them that? Are you willing to have your taxes raised? In most of the mountains communities of georgia the taxpayers do not make that kind of money to support paying all teachers a 100,000 a year. Here in Gilmer, we gave the retires a tax break on school taxes. They pay no school taxes at all if you are over 65. That leaves a heavier burden on the younger crowd. A large percentage of the younger crowd is now unemployed or under employed. I do wish we lived in a world where all teachers made a 100,000 a year, but I don't see where the money will come from to accomplish that.
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#19 Jan 15, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>Hot saying that at all. However some schools systems are beginning to hire younger teachers for less money. This also is a good thing. Good for the tax payer that has to pay school taxes. I am glad you were able to work long enough for a company to draw a retirement check from them. But there is a state run web site that list the pay for teachers here in Georgia, and most of those that have been there long enough to retire make about 80-100 thousand a year. I am betting that is another good reason not to retire. Let's see 40,000 for a new teacher vs 100,000 for older, doesn't take long to see the advantages for the tax payer. My personal opinion is if you are drawing any kind of retirement check from Georgia, no you should not be able to rehire with the Georgia school system. Not that is not saying you can't get a jog. Just not with the Georgia School System.
Again, people on TOPIX seem to live a tunnel. People have moved here from other states, with a pension they paid into for decades.(Pensions are earned, they aren't handed out when a person retires.) That should not keep anyone from working anywhere they like as long as they have the education, experience, and will to work. There should be no restrictions where a person can work whether they retire from GA schools or any other agency that pays into a public retirement system.

It is obvious to me that people who complain about this don't have that advantage and opportunity.

Also, don't be so sure that the retiree is returning making the same salary as when they retired. You might be surprised.

GA teacher salary is a pitiful compared to the rest of the country.

Remember, Union County is made up of people from all over the country and our goals are very different than those I encounter in north Georgia.

Furthermore, those with pensions cannot draw full SSI benefits regardless whether or not they paid into the system all their life.
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#20 Jan 15, 2013
turniptown wrote:
<quoted text>Let's get real for a moment . If you have worked long enough to retire from the school system, you probably should. And to say a young person isn't qualified to teach is flat out wrong. The person is eventually going to have to retire or die. Then they will still have to hire a new younger teacher. This really isn't any different than any other occupation. Doctors retire when they are not able to perform their jobs. If you worked in the private sector you will probably be retired by your mid 60's. It all comes back to money and if you are making 100,000 a year most people are not going to walk away from that. It doesn't have anything to do with teaching credentials. Not to mention even if the teacher retires, they will be drawing 80,000 a year.
Wrong on many talking points. First, a retirement or pension isn't anywhere near $80,000 a year. Many retirees need to work for various reasons. Yes, people walk away from $80,000 jobs and retire to find out that they don't like retirement.

What you are writing about is a procedure done all over the country. The retiree is rehired either on contract or as a "consultant." Most agencies to include county, state, federal, and private enterprise practice this procedure because the retiree is valuable and knowledgable beyond those who don't have decades of experience under their belt.

I said it before. A retiree works on their terms and that is something we all like.
UC Voter

Texarkana, TX

#21 Jan 15, 2013
turniptown wrote:
You want all the teachers to make a 100,000 a year,where do you purpose to get the money to pay them that? Are you willing to have your taxes raised? In most of the mountains communities of georgia the taxpayers do not make that kind of money to support paying all teachers a 100,000 a year. Here in Gilmer, we gave the retires a tax break on school taxes. They pay no school taxes at all if you are over 65. That leaves a heavier burden on the younger crowd. A large percentage of the younger crowd is now unemployed or under employed. I do wish we lived in a world where all teachers made a 100,000 a year, but I don't see where the money will come from to accomplish that.
People aren't trees nor are they rooted to the ground. Comparing the rest of the country to Gilmer or any of the mountain towns is not realistic. People who are willing to relocate have no problem finding employment in their field of endeavor. Maybe, north Georgia needs to come into this century and stop living in the past?

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