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Shocked

Jefferson, GA

#1 Apr 21, 2013
I am in total shock to have learned that Jeff and Angie Kelley are no longer attending Shadowlands!! They were such a tremendous asset to that church. I believe that they helped start that church over 5 years ago. Jeff Kelley is such a fine man, very few like him still living in this county! Angie, has poured her heart and soul into the music ministry there by taking on the role as praise team leader. Man, I truly hate to hear that they no longer attend. Shadowlands lost will become someone else's gain!
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#2 Apr 21, 2013
Maybe they moved back to Oxford because she has cancer?
hmm

Ellenwood, GA

#3 Apr 21, 2013
Some people think too highly of themselves. Same story, different church.
Just a thought

Dawsonville, GA

#4 Apr 21, 2013
Before the great influx of outsiders our churches were rock solid. No one ever questioned the role the church played in our lives. As time went along and new people arrived people forgot the purpose of the church and it became a social thing. Since then we have seen splits and upheavals. people need to rediscover the church and it's role in our lives.
freedom

Dawsonville, GA

#5 Apr 21, 2013
Shocked wrote:
I am in total shock to have learned that Jeff and Angie Kelley are no longer attending Shadowlands!! They were such a tremendous asset to that church. I believe that they helped start that church over 5 years ago. Jeff Kelley is such a fine man, very few like him still living in this county! Angie, has poured her heart and soul into the music ministry there by taking on the role as praise team leader. Man, I truly hate to hear that they no longer attend. Shadowlands lost will become someone else's gain!
Nothing shocks me anymore. I think at one time she was song leader at Harmony Grove. I think the pastor and associate stepped down at Harmony Grove. Maybe they will go back there now. She would be a great asset to the church. A great family.
molke

Payson, AZ

#6 Apr 21, 2013
Did the church integrate? If so, kiss of death.
Shocked

Jefferson, GA

#7 Apr 21, 2013
freedom wrote:
<quoted text> Nothing shocks me anymore. I think at one time she was song leader at Harmony Grove. I think the pastor and associate stepped down at Harmony Grove. Maybe they will go back there now. She would be a great asset to the church. A great family.
i am sure that Harmony Grove would welcome them back with open arms! They are a great family!
Agree

Jefferson, GA

#8 Apr 21, 2013
Just a thought wrote:
Before the great influx of outsiders our churches were rock solid. No one ever questioned the role the church played in our lives. As time went along and new people arrived people forgot the purpose of the church and it became a social thing. Since then we have seen splits and upheavals. people need to rediscover the church and it's role in our lives.
I agree! It is a total shame when people forget the true reason of being a church. There is a big difference between a church and a clubhouse!
Floridian

Orlando, FL

#9 Apr 21, 2013
Agree wrote:
<quoted text>I agree! It is a total shame when people forget the true reason of being a church. There is a big difference between a church and a clubhouse!
Yeah churches meet on sunday and clubhouses meet on the other 6
George

Dawsonville, GA

#10 Apr 21, 2013
How many Churches does this make for them?
Church of the Jaded

Pendergrass, GA

#11 Apr 21, 2013
Floridian wrote:
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Yeah churches meet on sunday and clubhouses meet on the other 6
Jaded Floridian?

An Interview with A.J. Kiesling, author of Jaded: Hope for Believers Who Have Given Up on Church But Not on God

I'm sure a lot of people do drop out of church and gradually get sucked back into the world. But when you talk to them, you sense a yearning for God--just not church as usual. What I'm trying to do through Jaded is let people know, first of all, that they're not alone and that there are ways to have a vibrant faith and fellowship with other believers outside the traditional mold. At the same time, I do see a groundswell of believers who already have a lively faith dropping out of the IC (institutional church) and getting spiritual food in other ways.
Church of the Jaded

Pendergrass, GA

#12 Apr 21, 2013
Two reasons people leave a church (From the Jaded interview):

"The No.1 response I hear is controlling pastors and legalism. After that, I'd say just the over-emphasis on programs and a weariness that comes from feeling "been there, done that" regarding typical church services."

George wrote: "How many Churches does this make for them?" Sounds like you think the problem is with those who see the light...

Could it be that there is trouble in the shadows?
hmm

Griffin, GA

#13 Apr 21, 2013
Well it appears there seems to be trouble wherever some people go, one must question where the problem starts in cases like this.
Curious

Ellijay, GA

#14 Apr 21, 2013
Do you know any closeted gays who attend church in union and towns counties?
Curious

Ellijay, GA

#15 Apr 21, 2013
That should have been bisexuals.
Church of the Jaded

Pendergrass, GA

#16 Apr 21, 2013
Curious wrote:
That should have been bisexuals.
Why are you asking?

Just a thought wrote:
Before the great influx of outsiders our churches were rock solid. No one ever questioned the role the church played in our lives. As time went along and new people arrived people forgot the purpose of the church and it became a social thing. Since then we have seen splits and upheavals. people need to rediscover the church and it's role in our lives.

Then Agree wrote:
I agree! It is a total shame when people forget the true reason of being a church. There is a big difference between a church and a clubhouse!

Curious, you may need to start your own bi-church.

I started Church of the Jaded:
Church of the Jaded
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone

I personally have talked to several Christians, including pastors, who are dealing with this identity shift of a rethinking church. I would like to get some dialog going here as to why people leave The Big Box Church, perhaps to find a smaller model. Here is more from the Kimball, Jaded interview:

What can pastors and Christian leaders learn from the trend, and how can they restore the jaded to fellowship?

Kimball: "Listen to them! So many pastors and Christian leaders do all the talking and don’t listen. Listen, learn, respect what they have to say. Involve them in the decision making for your whole church. Empower them. Treat them with respect." This maybe the problem at Shadowlands Tabernacle...I have know a few more who left, because they were not respected.

How is this trend helping us reexplore what "having church" actually means?

Kimball: "You can’t “have church.” You can’t “go to church.” We are the church. That’s the whole problem. We have turned church into this event, this place, this controlled program that people come to like a movie or a theater. We have redefined church to be something so foreign to the New Testament church that in some cases it seems almost unrecognizable. We have taken the mission of the church and turned it into a self-focused, self-serving corporation instead of teaching that the church is worshipers of Jesus on a mission together."

Throw me a bone here. Anyone out there jaded?
Church of the Jaded

Pendergrass, GA

#17 Apr 21, 2013
hmm wrote:
Well it appears there seems to be trouble wherever some people go, one must question where the problem starts in cases like this.
The problem starts here: There is a preoccupation with sin management in the church that obscures the Good News and drives many people away feeling wounded, angry, and cynical.

Where do you think the problem starts?
My Two Senses

Blairsville, GA

#18 Apr 22, 2013
Church of the Jaded wrote:
Two reasons people leave a church (From the Jaded interview):
"The No.1 response I hear is controlling pastors and legalism. After that, I'd say just the over-emphasis on programs and a weariness that comes from feeling "been there, done that" regarding typical church services."
George wrote: "How many Churches does this make for them?" Sounds like you think the problem is with those who see the light...
Could it be that there is trouble in the shadows?
I think that many people are into playing church and don't like the discipline that Christ expects of Christians. I see this in the modern songs in the modern church. There's no verses about the sin nature, salvation, or Heaven. The songs are called "worship" songs; however, many or most of those songs could just as well be directed to any loved one. Also, some go to churches for business and social networking. While attendence may be higher in those churches with songs that carry a rock beat and/or don't speak of Gospel, etc., the attraction is misplaced, in my opinion.
Church of The Jaded

Commerce, GA

#20 Apr 22, 2013
My Two Senses wrote:
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I think that many people are into playing church and don't like the discipline that Christ expects of Christians. I see this in the modern songs in the modern church. There's no verses about the sin nature, salvation, or Heaven. The songs are called "worship" songs; however, many or most of those songs could just as well be directed to any loved one. Also, some go to churches for business and social networking. While attendence may be higher in those churches with songs that carry a rock beat and/or don't speak of Gospel, etc., the attraction is misplaced, in my opinion.
In its original sense, discipline is systematic instruction intended to train a person, sometimes literally called a disciple, in a craft, trade or other activity, or to follow a particular code of conduct or "order". In this sense, I agree. Following Jesus is not about diligently keeping set of rules or conjuring up the moral fortitude to lead good lives. It's about loving God and enjoying Him.
Often, the phrase "to discipline" carries a negative connotation. This is because enforcement of order–that is, ensuring instructions are carried out–is often regulated through punishment.
Discipline is the assertion of willpower over more base desires, and is usually understood to be synonymous with self control. Jesus told us very clearly, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
"...like the discipline that Christ expects of Christians." Now, that's interesting. The Pharisees were continuously engaged in discipline: they made sure the people around them kept themselves holy, and they diligently taught the law of God. An yet the Gospels present the Pharisees as villains. Jesus's harshest words were reserved for these religious overachievers: In Mark we find, "This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
My Two Senses wrote:
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While attendance may be higher in those churches with songs that carry a rock beat and/or don't speak of Gospel, etc., the attraction is misplaced, in my opinion.
That about sums up the Complex Church. I long for Simple Church. The one that Christ talked about when he said my yoke is easy. My burden is light. I think I've been to that church you are talking about. Felt like I was rode hard and put up wet...Shadowlands Tabernacle.
The Christian is the man or woman who no longer seeks his salvation , his deliverance, his justification in himself, but Jesus Christ alone. Christianity means community through Jesus Christ and in Jesus Christ. No Christian community is more less than this. The Christian lives wholly by the truth of God's Word in Jesus Christ. If some body ask him, Where is you salvation, your righteousness? he can never point to himself. He points to the Word of God in Jesus Christ, which assures him salvation and righteousness. God does not live in Temples built by human hands...
Being the Church is very different than going to a worship service on Sunday morning. Christ lived in the mist of his enemies. "The Kingdom is to be in the mist of your enemies. The modern Christian wants to be among friends, to sit among roses and lilies, not with the bad people but the devout people. Martin Luther had it right when he said, "O you blasphemers and betrayers of Christ. I Christ had done want your are doing who would ever have been spared?"
"There's no verses about the sin nature, salvation, or Heaven." Perhaps, the Big Box Churches should play Country Songs. Seems like the are all about the sin nature, salvation, or Heaven.
Welcome to the Church of the Jaded.
My Two Senses

Blairsville, GA

#21 Apr 23, 2013
Church of The Jaded wrote:
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"...like the discipline that Christ expects of Christians." Now, that's interesting. The Pharisees were continuously engaged in discipline: they made sure the people around them kept themselves holy, and they diligently taught the law of God. An yet the Gospels present the Pharisees as villains. Jesus's harshest words were reserved for these religious overachievers: In Mark we find, "This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
Your post was right on. However, I wish to clarify one thing. The Pharisees practiced a discipline that Christ didn't expect of Christians.

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