NEW YORK MILLS VOTERS LIVING WITHIN THE TOWN OF NEW HARTFORD et al.

[Concerned]

VENUE CHANGED FOR TOWN BOARD HEARING TO:
Budget hearing this Thursday, Nov. 12th, 6 p.m. at the New York Mills Union Free School, 1 Marauder Boulevard, New York Mills. Even more people than last time would be wonderful!
That is why it is important that a lot of people show up for this meeting...to express your views about how town government should not run and too, that you want no tax increase - let alone a 54% or the 1,600% tax increase for those who are part-town residents.
Show your support, anger and distrust of the New Hartford Town Board on this coming Thursday at 6:00 P.M. at the New York Mills Gymnasium located off Burrstone Road near the Elihu Root Army Reserve Center.
See you there.

[youarebonkers]

People in NY Mills will pay $96 instead of $2 they pay now while people living in the mills in the town of Whitestown pay $260. Cry baby morons. Town Employees that complain about this should be the first ones laid off. People in the Mills that live in the Town of New Hartford should have been paying their fair share all along they should now pay the same as Whitestown residents. We have all paid for them in the past now they can cough up their fair share. End of story

[Concerned]

youarebonkers:

Your message does not make sense. Whitestown is different than that of New York Mills. Why do you even try and equate the two?

Services, etc. are altogether different. Please explain why you feel this way. Provide substantiating factsto prove your point.

I would like to better understand your rationale for your feelings.

Thank you.

[Strikeslip]

I don't get this "fair share" crap. There IS NO "FAIR SHARE" of Town taxes when you get NO services from the Town. Just because Whitestown NYM residents are complacent and willing to be fork over their hard earned money for No Services doesn't mean everyone else has to be the same. Sounds like petty jealousy to me.

Get smart, join with your friends on the NH side of the Village, and say NO to ALL Town Taxes ... NYM DOESN'T NEED THE TOWNS.

[Strikeslip]

I don't get this "fair share" crap. There IS NO "FAIR SHARE" of Town taxes when you get NO services from the Town. Just because Whitestown NYM residents are complacent and willing to be fork over their hard earned money for No Services doesn't mean everyone else has to be the same. Sounds like petty jealousy to me.

Get smart, join with your friends on the NH side of the Village, and say NO to ALL Town Taxes ... NYM DOESN'T NEED THE TOWNS.

[Frank Rizzo]

Strikeslip wrote:

I don't get this "fair share" crap. There IS NO "FAIR SHARE" of Town taxes when you get NO services from the Town. Just because Whitestown NYM residents are complacent and willing to be fork over their hard earned money for No Services doesn't mean everyone else has to be the same. Sounds like petty jealousy to me.
Get smart, join with your friends on the NH side of the Village, and say NO to ALL Town Taxes ... NYM DOESN'T NEED THE TOWNS.

We heard you the first time - moron.

[Canadian Bacon]

Strikeslip wrote:

I don't get this "fair share" crap. There IS NO "FAIR SHARE" of Town taxes when you get NO services from the Town. Just because Whitestown NYM residents are complacent and willing to be fork over their hard earned money for No Services doesn't mean everyone else has to be the same. Sounds like petty jealousy to me.
Get smart, join with your friends on the NH side of the Village, and say NO to ALL Town Taxes ... NYM DOESN'T NEED THE TOWNS.

You are incorrect my moronic adversary. The towns do provide some services that you apparently are not aware of. We have utilized equipment and manpower that by the nature of it we do not have. I speak mainly of the Highway Department issues. The towns have provided us with heavy equipment and men to do several jobs in the village. If we had to contract out it would have cost us a considerable chunk of change. Check with the Village Clerk I would assume she has record of this. Depending on which side of the village you live on, you are also entitled to use their parks and other facilities as if you resided solely in the township. You can also place your children in the various youth sports for that town. I am sure there are more benefits so I would suggest you contact your town leaders to see what they do provide. Perhaps each town should provide its residents with services they do provide to the village. This would clearly clear up many misconceptions of town tax placed on the village.

New Hartford Councilwoman Christine Krupa has stated the village should break away from the Town of New Hartford entirely. If she and her associates on the board had done their jobs the current issue would not be slapping us in the face, would it? She really is an idiot as was her brother before her. You screwed up Krupa don't try to cloud the issue with your nonsense of breaking away from the town. Maybe the poles her will think your amazing for saying such nonsense, big tuffy, oooooooh, break away from the town, wow she really told them, I'll bet New Hartford is really scared. In your small mind you probably think your our savior, your really the anchor dragging us down. I think its time for NYM to break away from you. Remember folks Vote NO always for Christine Gamela Krupa.

[Bambi]

Let's send Joe Pacini after them......

Canadian Bacon wrote:

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You are incorrect my moronic adversary. The towns do provide some services that you apparently are not aware of. We have utilized equipment and manpower that by the nature of it we do not have. I speak mainly of the Highway Department issues. The towns have provided us with heavy equipment and men to do several jobs in the village. If we had to contract out it would have cost us a considerable chunk of change. Check with the Village Clerk I would assume she has record of this. Depending on which side of the village you live on, you are also entitled to use their parks and other facilities as if you resided solely in the township. You can also place your children in the various youth sports for that town. I am sure there are more benefits so I would suggest you contact your town leaders to see what they do provide. Perhaps each town should provide its residents with services they do provide to the village. This would clearly clear up many misconceptions of town tax placed on the village.
New Hartford Councilwoman Christine Krupa has stated the village should break away from the Town of New Hartford entirely. If she and her associates on the board had done their jobs the current issue would not be slapping us in the face, would it? She really is an idiot as was her brother before her. You screwed up Krupa don't try to cloud the issue with your nonsense of breaking away from the town. Maybe the poles her will think your amazing for saying such nonsense, big tuffy, oooooooh, break away from the town, wow she really told them, I'll bet New Hartford is really scared. In your small mind you probably think your our savior, your really the anchor dragging us down. I think its time for NYM to break away from you. Remember folks Vote NO always for Christine Gamela Krupa.

[Strikeslip]

Canadian Bacon: "We have utilized equipment and manpower that by the nature of it we do not have. I speak mainly of the Highway Department issues"

Heard that before ... Do we get Anything ELSE??? I would like to see some figures as to just what Co$ts NYM avoids by this "service". Seems to me NYM is paying for a lot of stuff NYM either doesn't need (because it supplies its own) or doesn't get from the Town, eg, Library, Court, Town Officials including Clerk and Assessor, Storm water management, Planning.

NH screwed NYM Bigtime on the planning issue -- resulting in the Village's loss of use of a County Combined Sewer Overflow. Now the Village has a huge sewer bill to fix. How about all the flooding on Royal Brook that seems to have resulted from NH's Commercial Drive developments? Getting to borrow a few pieces of equipment is hardly worth what we will be paying in taxes once the increase goes through.

[well said]

Strikeslip wrote:

Canadian Bacon: "We have utilized equipment and manpower that by the nature of it we do not have. I speak mainly of the Highway Department issues"
Heard that before ... Do we get Anything ELSE??? I would like to see some figures as to just what Co$ts NYM avoids by this "service". Seems to me NYM is paying for a lot of stuff NYM either doesn't need (because it supplies its own) or doesn't get from the Town, eg, Library, Court, Town Officials including Clerk and Assessor, Storm water management, Planning.
NH screwed NYM Bigtime on the planning issue -- resulting in the Village's loss of use of a County Combined Sewer Overflow. Now the Village has a huge sewer bill to fix. How about all the flooding on Royal Brook that seems to have resulted from NH's Commercial Drive developments? Getting to borrow a few pieces of equipment is hardly worth what we will be paying in taxes once the increase goes through.

Strikeslip---Very well said!

[Concerned]

Candadian Bacon:

Stop with your childish language. Your comments do a disservice to others who contribute meaningful dialogue and too, is supported with FACTS!

It is TRUE, the Village of New York Mills (Part Town residents) received little, if anything, from the Town of New Hartford. In fact, they are taxed for services they do not and could never enjoy.

Please get your facts straight before start with your rhetoric.

I personally happen to know that Strikeslip's comments are well-founded. Go to his Blog and see what I mean.

[Canadian Bacon]

Strikeslip wrote:

Canadian Bacon: "We have utilized equipment and manpower that by the nature of it we do not have. I speak mainly of the Highway Department issues"
Heard that before ... Do we get Anything ELSE??? I would like to see some figures as to just what Co$ts NYM avoids by this "service". Seems to me NYM is paying for a lot of stuff NYM either doesn't need (because it supplies its own) or doesn't get from the Town, eg, Library, Court, Town Officials including Clerk and Assessor, Storm water management, Planning.
NH screwed NYM Bigtime on the planning issue -- resulting in the Village's loss of use of a County Combined Sewer Overflow. Now the Village has a huge sewer bill to fix. How about all the flooding on Royal Brook that seems to have resulted from NH's Commercial Drive developments? Getting to borrow a few pieces of equipment is hardly worth what we will be paying in taxes once the increase goes through.

The village has sewer problems because they have never invested any money in replacement, they only have done patch work here and there. Check out a manhole, butthole, Walcott and Campbell's initials are still on the collapsing brick work. Royal Brook Lane always had flood issues that I remember. The creek floods, the lines are to small for the housing, NH didn't build the houses. Wrong again dinkmeister the cost of sewer service, excavating service, etc, provided by the towns exceeds the tax paid. Go ask the village how much they have saved by having the towns do the work and use their heavy equipment that we don't have. Who would do the regular DPW work if the crew was able to perform these tasks and had the equipment. We only have six guys on the DPW. You and your pal here talk out your ass, you must be having coffee with Todd and Chrissy.

[Strikeslip]

The Village's sewer "problem" only became a "problem" when the Consent Order was signed and the County agreed to the removal of 5 gallons of storm water for every gallon of new sewage added, and agreed to a deadline to fix the "problem." Now the Village is under the gun to make some major repairs in the short term. That would not have happened if the Towns had not been plugging separated sanitary lines into an overflow intended for combined sewers.

In so far as the town providing excavating services, I doubt they are worth what NYM will be paying in taxes to NH. Give me the figures. How much $$$ does NH get from NYM residents and what is the $value of these so-called services received in return?

I heard these arguments 5 years ago (before the NH taxes went down) when we first brought up the idea of forming our own town. No one from the Towns (or the Village for that matter) ever came up with the numbers to prove we were getting substantive benefits for Town taxes ... all we ever got was the hot air that you are blowing, Bacon.

[Concerned]

Canadian Bacon:

New Hartford Town Board officials openly admitted that the cause of the flooding on Royal Brook Lane was due to the Consumer Square build-up. It is on tape and Concerned Citizens for Honest & Open Government would be happy to make this available to anyone who wants.

Using profanity towards Strikeslip appears to be your way of attempting to get at the truth. However, when someone like you uses profanity to express themselves it is indicative of someone who loves to rant and rave.

You would do better to make distinctions in your position. However, absent any facts whatsoever - you damage your credibility.

Strikeslip is on point!

[Strikeslip]

PS As far as Royal Brook is concerned, we are talking about stormwater runoff. My understanding is that the residents there have reported substantially more flooding problems since New Hartford permitted all the development to the west.

I know what I paid in NH taxes before they went down, what I paid recently, and what I will be paying. I know what my neighbors pay in Whitestown taxes. There is no way that the "services" from NH or Whitestown can be worth as much. It would be better for NYM to become its own Town and take for itself what is being sent to the two Towns.

[Canadian Bacon]

Does NH allow us to deposit our green waste on their site? Yes, these small things add up too. You should really pose this question at a board meeting and then do the math. The only savings I see is to delete the dispatching system and use O.C. as all the other villages and towns do with the exception of NH who does the fire and police dispatching. They are also dispatched by O.C. so we have a duplication of services. You may have some valid points but together as a whole you will see that we save in the end. The same problem exists for storm sewers as sanitary sewers, they were built by the Pilgrims. We also get a hefty amount on fire contracts from both towns. This money is used to run the village not just fund the FD. Don't believe it?, check the FD budget and the total income from contracts. What if they get jerked off and cancel or reduce the contract, how much do we raise the village tax to compensate for such a loss? Whitestown is already trying to dump the NYM FD and give the territory to the WFD. Check the recent prices on sewer trucks and excavating equipment, along with training for the crew, we could never afford it. The town DPW's do a much larger scale of work than we do and have the equipment and experience. Check some prices for work they have done for us and see what a contractor would charge. We may take a hit here and there but in the end we come out ahead.

[sickandtired]

D.A. states aggravated harassment charges could be filed against individuals who wrote a letter for the purpose of harassing and harming elected officials. Are the concerned citizens group next. Could their websites be copied and contents verified for malicious content.

[what a moron]

sickandtired wrote:

D.A. states aggravated harassment charges could be filed against individuals who wrote a letter for the purpose of harassing and harming elected officials. Are the concerned citizens group next. Could their websites be copied and contents verified for malicious content.

Seriously, stop sipping the moron koolaid! Concerned citizens does not write letters for the purpose of harassing and harming elected officials. Nice try, better luck next time.:-)

[sickandtired]

it doesn't have to be a letter you moron

§ 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.
A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when,
with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or
she:
1. Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by
telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written
communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
(b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic
means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by
telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written
communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
2. Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with
no purpose of legitimate communication; or
3. Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to
physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a
belief or perception regarding such person's race, color, national
origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability
or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is
correct; or
4. Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has
previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree
as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten
years.
Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

[Jail House Lawyer]

sickandtired wrote:

it doesn't have to be a letter you moron
§ 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.
A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when,
with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or
she:
1. Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by
telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written
communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
(b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic
means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by
telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written
communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
2. Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with
no purpose of legitimate communication; or
3. Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to
physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a
belief or perception regarding such person's race, color, national
origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability
or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is
correct; or
4. Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has
previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree
as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten
years.
Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

Hey law Brain, the key here is, to communicate to that person. An opinion or general statement not sent directly to that person does not apply here. To the best of the posters knowledge he is speaking to other anonymous posters not the person in question. You must read up on your case law. Just causing an annoyance no longer is applicable. There must be a threat of physical violence for sections 1 and 2 to apply. Repeated acts that annoy are a violation of the Harassment statute.